Earthquakes in Diverse Places

[Noose]

You do know that is almost impossible today do you not? Banking by a mark or symbol used as an international banking is is actually possible in fact, in the near futureDaniel was told after the messiah is cut off the prince of the people who is to come will destroy the city and sanctuary. I would not call that a decoy, I would call that prophesy fulfilled. And it proves God gave the prophesy,. Because he said it would happen a few centuried before it occured, and it did. No you need eyes, Prophesy is gien for a reason. God gave that reason, To PROVE he is the one and only God of the universe, because ONLY HE can say this will happen, and it comes to pass.If prophesy is only wisdom, then it does not fulfill its purpose. You think so huh? People have been saying the end is going to happen in a certain day for years. They have always been proven wrong, what makes you think we should listen to you?

Ok, show me in the following passage where the 70AD events comes in:
Matt 24:15“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[SUP]a[/SUP] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.17Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house.18Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak.19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.22“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.26“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.29“Immediately after the distress of those days“ ‘the sun will be darkened,and the moon will not give its light;the stars will fall from the sky,and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[SUP]b[/SUP]30“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[SUP]c[/SUP] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[SUP]d[/SUP] 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

 

[garee]

Signs of the times are things to look for and know that your Redemption draws near. (To me.) These are the things the prophets and Jesus spoke of happening in the last days. They are the signs and wonders God will show on earth and in the sky.

Signs of the times are things to look forward to as business as usual not to seek after as a wonder. The kingdom of God will not come by observation

I DO understand that He spoke to those who were always asking Him to give a sign to prove who He was, that the only sign there was going to be to prove who He was, was the sign of Jonah, who was in the belly of the fish for three days and nights and that He was speaking of His resurrection in this.

I would offer...In this case it was a sign of the times, the time of reformation had come . Its is an evil generation that seeks after sign and wonders no sign as a wonder will be given WE have the whole word of God with no laws missing by which we could know him more adequately

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ok, show me in the following passage where the 70AD events comes in:
Matt 24:15“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[SUP]a[/SUP] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.17Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house.18Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak.19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.22“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.26“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.29“Immediately after the distress of those days“ ‘the sun will be darkened,and the moon will not give its light;the stars will fall from the sky,and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[SUP]b[/SUP]30“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[SUP]c[/SUP] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[SUP]d[/SUP] 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Dan 9: 24 Seventy [t]weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to [u]finish the transgression, to [v]make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and [w]prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.25 So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a [x]decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [y]Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with [z]plaza and moat, even in times of distress.26 Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And [ac]its end will come with a flood; even to the end [ad]there will be war; desolations are determined.27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of [ae]abominations will come one who [af]makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who [ag]makes desolate.”


In mathew 24. Jesus stated the abomination which causes desolation was a literal event, which means we can consider everythingn else in the prophesyt o be lteral events also. Jesus also prophesied that the same event will take place also.

Matt 24: Jesus came out from the temple and was going away [a]when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him.2 And He said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.”

That prophesy, like Daniels was fulfilled by titus in 70 AD. So there we have 2 seperate prophesies which were fulfilled in 70 AD. I would not take that very lighly as you are doing.

 

[Noose]

Dan 9: 24 Seventy [t]weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to [u]finish the transgression, to [v]make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and [w]prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.25 So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a [x]decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [y]Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with [z]plaza and moat, even in times of distress.26 Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And [ac]its end will come with a flood; even to the end [ad]there will be war; desolations are determined.27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of [ae]abominations will come one who [af]makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who [ag]makes desolate.”


In mathew 24. Jesus stated the abomination which causes desolation was a literal event, which means we can consider everythingn else in the prophesyt o be lteral events also. Jesus also prophesied that the same event will take place also.

Matt 24: Jesus came out from the temple and was going away [a]when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him.2 And He said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.”

That prophesy, like Daniels was fulfilled by titus in 70 AD. So there we have 2 seperate prophesies which were fulfilled in 70 AD. I would not take that very lighly as you are doing.

When did this happen in 70AD .29“Immediately after the distress of those days“ ‘the sun will be darkened,and the moon will not give its light;the stars will fall from the sky,and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[SUP]b[/SUP]30“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[SUP]c[/SUP] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[SUP]d[/SUP] 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When did this happen in 70AD .29“Immediately after the distress of those days“ ‘the sun will be darkened,and the moon will not give its light;the stars will fall from the sky,and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[SUP]b[/SUP]30“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[SUP]c[/SUP] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[SUP]d[/SUP]31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

it did not happen in 70 AD. It did not happen yet. And it did not have to happen then for the prophesy as a whole to come true.

Are you going to deny that the event daniel prophesied, and jesus prophesied (the destruction of the city and temple) happened in 70 ad. Yes or no?

 

[MattforJesus]

1Co 4:7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

Jas 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

We should not exalt our self above other people for what we know for all knowledge comes from the Lord,and we all study different things and some more time spent on it,so there will be things you can tell me that I will say I did not know that or not that well,and there will be things I can tell you that you did not know or not as well.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Concerning the end time Daniel did not understand what was told him,but was told to go his way for he could not understand,for the book is sealed until the time of the end,which means they will understand it at the end time,and that is because many shall run to and fro,advanced travel,and knowledge shall be increased,advanced technology.

Because of advanced travel and technology the saints can see,hear,and know what is going on in the world,and understand how the world can come communicate with each other,and come together as one to establish a kingdom that is in rebellion against God,which we can see what is going on in the world today.

It is the time for God to end this sin business on earth so He is causing all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom in Revelation 13,and when they do He will put them down.

So this has to involve the whole world so God can cause all people of the world that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom.

The Bible says the last kingdom shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in to pieces,and the beast shall have power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues(Daniel 7:23-25;Revelation 13:7-8).

Paul said when the world comes together saying Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth(1 Timothy 5:1-5),and the beginning of their rebelling against God for they are not allowing the Gospel to be preached but religion is about evolution(1 Timothy 4:1-5;2 Timothy 2:2-4;2 Thessalonians 2:1-4),that the saints will not be deceived by that for they will know it is not of God.

Jesus said He will deliver all the saints from the temptation that shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth(Revelation 3:10),which when the world comes together saying Peace and safety it is a decision point for the world on whether they will stay with God,come to God,or follow the world,which God said multitudes in the valley of decision,for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision(Joel 3:14-16).

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

The disciples would be in the same situation as Daniel concerning what happens on earth,for how can they hear of wars,and rumors of wars,and know of nation against nation,and kingdom against kingdom,and famines,and pestilences,and earthquakes,that happen on different parts of the earth unless there is advanced technology to be able to observe the world.

About all they would know of things that happen on earth is if they went outside and looked around,but Jesus is telling them they will know of things that happen all around the world,but we can know it today.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

The saints shall be hated of all nations and that is because the world came together to try to establish peace on earth and religion is about evolution,and people can still evolve,which is why they want the New Age Christ to appear to give them power through nature to evolve to be greater,and they are in rebellion against Christianity,and a personal God,as they honor the God of forces,or the power of nature as their God(Daniel 11:36-38).

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Also the Gospel shall be preached in to all the world as a witness unto all nations,and then shall the end come,but there was no way the Gospel could be preached in to all the world in the first century.

And that is because God will not end this sin business on earth until all nations have heard of the Gospel of Christ which He is giving all people the chance to know the Gospel,and so there is no excuse on their part that they did not know.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

70 weeks are determined upon Israel to get in the truth,and anoint the most holy,which means to acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah.

Israel as a nation has 70 weeks to accept Jesus as their Messiah.

We know that has not happened yet,so the 70 weeks could of not been fulfilled,for if the 70 weeks were fulfilled Israel as a nation would be in the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

People do not debate that 69 weeks have passed,but debate on the 70th week.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Verse 26 speaks of the prince to come,and verse 27 continues talking about the prince to come,who will establish peace in the Middle East,and will spread his abominations of the occult,spiritual evolution through nature,and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment,and an ascended master,and does not acknowledge a personal God,but honors the God of forces,or the power of nature as his higher power,and the time for God to give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and bring Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah fulfilling the 70 weeks.

The Bible says this will occur in the latter times,which the first century was not the latter times,and all people who do not love God will follow the man of sin,beast,New Age Christ,and exalt themselves by believing in no personal God,but believing they can be greater by the power of nature.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Israel is blinded in part,the majority accept the Old Testament but not the New,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles,and so all Israel shall be saved,Jesus will save them when the beast and the world attacks them,and the kingdom will be restored to them,and Jesus will fulfill the role of King on earth fulfilling the law,and then heaven and earth shall pass away.

We know that Israel as a nation does not accept Jesus so Israel is still blinded in part,and they will not see Jesus until they accept Him as Messiah,and then the kingdom on earth will be restored to them.

The 70th week has not happened yet for Israel as a nation are still blinded in part,and do not accept Jesus as their Messiah,and salvation is still available to the Gentiles,and Israel is blinded in part until salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles,and then God will work with Israel and bring them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

For people to deny it is to ignore scriptures stating that there are future events concerning Israel,and the world,other than the resurrection.

The first attack on Jerusalem in the first century by the Roman Empire,because they rejected Christ.

The second attack on Jerusalem by the world,because they accepted Christ.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

God will bring back the captivity of Jacob,the whole house of Israel,and leave none of the Jews in the nations anymore,and will restore the kingdom on earth to them,and the heathen shall know that God was on Israel's side all along,but He hid His face from them because of their sins and iniquities against Him,but He had mercy on them which God always brings Israel to the truth and restores them when they go astray,and God will never hide His face for them again,and they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward,which means Israel will be in the truth from that time forward,and never go astray again.

So this is a future event for we know Israel as a nation are not in the truth for they do not accept Jesus as their Messiah,for if this prophesy happened in the past then Israel as a nation would be in the truth today,and if they say it is the Babylonian captivity Israel as a nation would of been in the truth from that time forward and would of never rejected Christ.

The man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel,and the Jews will not be in the nations anymore,and the Jews and the Gentiles will be separated,which the man of sin wants them to be all in one place,but God has it for the good of Israel to bring them to the truth,and restore the kingdom on earth to them,and Jesus can fulfill the role of King which must be done on earth.

The Jews will rebuild their temple with no hassle from the Palestinians,and the Jews will split Jerusalem with the Palestinians.

The Gentile nations will come together and say Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth,and operate by the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,but they will fail at obtaining peace,and the world will turn to the man of sin as the solution to have peace on earth.

The mark of the beast has to deal with technology,for the beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help them,but mankind's technology,and devices can provide peace on earth,which the microchip linked to satellite will keep track of the people of the world,and if a crime happens they will know who was in the location and how close to the crime scene,and if they want to get rid of the mark then they cannot buy or sell anything,and all information about them on the chip,put under the skin,and when scanned their information,including financial records,and a picture of them,will come up on computer.

When the world takes the mark of the beast,then repentance and salvation is no longer available to the world,and the fulness of the Gentiles will be come in,and then God will turn Israel to the truth,which the world will attack Israel,and then God will save Israel,and defeat the world,and all Israel shall be saved,and God will never hide His face from them anymore,and they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward.

All prophesy did not happen in the first century,and there shall be earthquakes in different places on earth as a witness that it is the end time for the saints can see,hear,and know of the things that are happening on earth,and how they can communicate with each other,and come together and rebel against God,which God will then end this sin business on earth.

And it has to involve the whole world,not the tiny little area around Jerusalem,and Israel as a nation has to come to the truth.

Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Some people will still believe that all prophesy happened in the first century,and they might not have enough information from scriptures,but when it is presented to them that cannot be denied by anybody that is honest they will still deny it all the while saying they love God's word,and that is strange.

Some people will not take heed to what scriptures are saying,and will not believe even if one rose from the dead and told them.

I look at it as they are honoring people and their interpretation,or they want to hear it that way for whatever reason.

 

[Noose]

it did not happen in 70 AD. It did not happen yet. And it did not have to happen then for the prophesy as a whole to come true.

Are you going to deny that the event daniel prophesied, and jesus prophesied (the destruction of the city and temple) happened in 70 ad. Yes or no?

Of course NO, Jesus said IMMEDIATELY after the distress of those days (the days you are trying to say happened in 70AD), the stars will fall.
Immediately by any standard can not be 2000 years later.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes something we can observe..we could start a pool as to the day of delivery, the last day ?

No need for that....when the last trump sounds and the entire world sees Jesus coming with the clouds with great power/glory then look up....but for sure it is 315 and the belll to go home is gonna sound at 330! I.E. We know by history and signs that time is short......haha

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1Co 4:7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

Jas 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

We should not exalt our self above other people for what we know for all knowledge comes from the Lord,and we all study different things and some more time spent on it,so there will be things you can tell me that I will say I did not know that or not that well,and there will be things I can tell you that you did not know or not as well.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Concerning the end time Daniel did not understand what was told him,but was told to go his way for he could not understand,for the book is sealed until the time of the end,which means they will understand it at the end time,and that is because many shall run to and fro,advanced travel,and knowledge shall be increased,advanced technology.

Because of advanced travel and technology the saints can see,hear,and know what is going on in the world,and understand how the world can come communicate with each other,and come together as one to establish a kingdom that is in rebellion against God,which we can see what is going on in the world today.

It is the time for God to end this sin business on earth so He is causing all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom in Revelation 13,and when they do He will put them down.

So this has to involve the whole world so God can cause all people of the world that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom.

The Bible says the last kingdom shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in to pieces,and the beast shall have power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues(Daniel 7:23-25;Revelation 13:7-8).

Paul said when the world comes together saying Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth(1 Timothy 5:1-5),and the beginning of their rebelling against God for they are not allowing the Gospel to be preached but religion is about evolution(1 Timothy 4:1-5;2 Timothy 2:2-4;2 Thessalonians 2:1-4),that the saints will not be deceived by that for they will know it is not of God.

Jesus said He will deliver all the saints from the temptation that shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth(Revelation 3:10),which when the world comes together saying Peace and safety it is a decision point for the world on whether they will stay with God,come to God,or follow the world,which God said multitudes in the valley of decision,for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision(Joel 3:14-16).

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

The disciples would be in the same situation as Daniel concerning what happens on earth,for how can they hear of wars,and rumors of wars,and know of nation against nation,and kingdom against kingdom,and famines,and pestilences,and earthquakes,that happen on different parts of the earth unless there is advanced technology to be able to observe the world.

About all they would know of things that happen on earth is if they went outside and looked around,but Jesus is telling them they will know of things that happen all around the world,but we can know it today.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

The saints shall be hated of all nations and that is because the world came together to try to establish peace on earth and religion is about evolution,and people can still evolve,which is why they want the New Age Christ to appear to give them power through nature to evolve to be greater,and they are in rebellion against Christianity,and a personal God,as they honor the God of forces,or the power of nature as their God(Daniel 11:36-38).

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Also the Gospel shall be preached in to all the world as a witness unto all nations,and then shall the end come,but there was no way the Gospel could be preached in to all the world in the first century.

And that is because God will not end this sin business on earth until all nations have heard of the Gospel of Christ which He is giving all people the chance to know the Gospel,and so there is no excuse on their part that they did not know.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

70 weeks are determined upon Israel to get in the truth,and anoint the most holy,which means to acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah.

Israel as a nation has 70 weeks to accept Jesus as their Messiah.

We know that has not happened yet,so the 70 weeks could of not been fulfilled,for if the 70 weeks were fulfilled Israel as a nation would be in the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

People do not debate that 69 weeks have passed,but debate on the 70th week.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Verse 26 speaks of the prince to come,and verse 27 continues talking about the prince to come,who will establish peace in the Middle East,and will spread his abominations of the occult,spiritual evolution through nature,and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment,and an ascended master,and does not acknowledge a personal God,but honors the God of forces,or the power of nature as his higher power,and the time for God to give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and bring Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah fulfilling the 70 weeks.

The Bible says this will occur in the latter times,which the first century was not the latter times,and all people who do not love God will follow the man of sin,beast,New Age Christ,and exalt themselves by believing in no personal God,but believing they can be greater by the power of nature.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Israel is blinded in part,the majority accept the Old Testament but not the New,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles,and so all Israel shall be saved,Jesus will save them when the beast and the world attacks them,and the kingdom will be restored to them,and Jesus will fulfill the role of King on earth fulfilling the law,and then heaven and earth shall pass away.

We know that Israel as a nation does not accept Jesus so Israel is still blinded in part,and they will not see Jesus until they accept Him as Messiah,and then the kingdom on earth will be restored to them.

The 70th week has not happened yet for Israel as a nation are still blinded in part,and do not accept Jesus as their Messiah,and salvation is still available to the Gentiles,and Israel is blinded in part until salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles,and then God will work with Israel and bring them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

For people to deny it is to ignore scriptures stating that there are future events concerning Israel,and the world,other than the resurrection.

The first attack on Jerusalem in the first century by the Roman Empire,because they rejected Christ.

The second attack on Jerusalem by the world,because they accepted Christ.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

God will bring back the captivity of Jacob,the whole house of Israel,and leave none of the Jews in the nations anymore,and will restore the kingdom on earth to them,and the heathen shall know that God was on Israel's side all along,but He hid His face from them because of their sins and iniquities against Him,but He had mercy on them which God always brings Israel to the truth and restores them when they go astray,and God will never hide His face for them again,and they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward,which means Israel will be in the truth from that time forward,and never go astray again.

So this is a future event for we know Israel as a nation are not in the truth for they do not accept Jesus as their Messiah,for if this prophesy happened in the past then Israel as a nation would be in the truth today,and if they say it is the Babylonian captivity Israel as a nation would of been in the truth from that time forward and would of never rejected Christ.

The man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel,and the Jews will not be in the nations anymore,and the Jews and the Gentiles will be separated,which the man of sin wants them to be all in one place,but God has it for the good of Israel to bring them to the truth,and restore the kingdom on earth to them,and Jesus can fulfill the role of King which must be done on earth.

The Jews will rebuild their temple with no hassle from the Palestinians,and the Jews will split Jerusalem with the Palestinians.

The Gentile nations will come together and say Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth,and operate by the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,but they will fail at obtaining peace,and the world will turn to the man of sin as the solution to have peace on earth.

The mark of the beast has to deal with technology,for the beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help them,but mankind's technology,and devices can provide peace on earth,which the microchip linked to satellite will keep track of the people of the world,and if a crime happens they will know who was in the location and how close to the crime scene,and if they want to get rid of the mark then they cannot buy or sell anything,and all information about them on the chip,put under the skin,and when scanned their information,including financial records,and a picture of them,will come up on computer.

When the world takes the mark of the beast,then repentance and salvation is no longer available to the world,and the fulness of the Gentiles will be come in,and then God will turn Israel to the truth,which the world will attack Israel,and then God will save Israel,and defeat the world,and all Israel shall be saved,and God will never hide His face from them anymore,and they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward.

All prophesy did not happen in the first century,and there shall be earthquakes in different places on earth as a witness that it is the end time for the saints can see,hear,and know of the things that are happening on earth,and how they can communicate with each other,and come together and rebel against God,which God will then end this sin business on earth.

And it has to involve the whole world,not the tiny little area around Jerusalem,and Israel as a nation has to come to the truth.

Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Some people will still believe that all prophesy happened in the first century,and they might not have enough information from scriptures,but when it is presented to them that cannot be denied by anybody that is honest they will still deny it all the while saying they love God's word,and that is strange.

Some people will not take heed to what scriptures are saying,and will not believe even if one rose from the dead and told them.

I look at it as they are honoring people and their interpretation,or they want to hear it that way for whatever reason.

do you honstly think someone is going to read all of this?

if you want people to respond. Break it down into smaller segments, even if you have to make three posts.. It is much easier to read..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Of course NO, Jesus said IMMEDIATELY after the distress of those days (the days you are trying to say happened in 70AD), the stars will fall.
Immediately by any standard can not be 2000 years later.

Nope. We have spent the whole day trying to detrmine that was not the case. And here we are still ..


The distress of those days spoke of the days of great distress, or the great tribulation.

Which occures after 70 AD’

Which occures after the birth pangs,

Which occures after the times of wars and rumors of wars. Where nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.

Which occures after the future prince confirms a covenant with many

which occures after the abomination of desolation.

All those things did nto happen in the 30 some odd years between the time jesus spoke those words and AD 70.

 

[Noose]

Nope. We have spent the whole day trying to detrmine that was not the case. And here we are still ..


The distress of those days spoke of the days of great distress, or the great tribulation.

Which occures after 70 AD’

Which occures after the birth pangs,

Which occures after the times of wars and rumors of wars. Where nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.

Which occures after the future prince confirms a covenant with many

which occures after the abomination of desolation.

All those things did nto happen in the 30 some odd years between the time jesus spoke those words and AD 70.

Good, so Jesus was not talking about 70AD, right?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Good, so Jesus was not talking about 70AD, right?

Forgive me, but I do not like playing games. We were talking about literal fulfilment of scripture. I showed you how 70 AD was literal fulfiment of parts of prophecy (daniel 9 and Matt 24) and is proof that we should take all prophecy literal. 70 AD was not just “propoganda” as you called it. But literal fullfilment of something God prophesied would happen.

I also showed you how in both daniel 9 and matt 24. Many things and many events over many years are spoken of. One of which was what would occure in 70 ad “no stone shall be left standing”

Yet you still want to ignore that fact and just side step the issue. No thank you, if your not going to have honest discussion, I am done.

when your ready to honestly discuss this issue, let me know. I will be more than happy.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Signs of the times are things to look forward to as business as usual not to seek after as a wonder. The kingdom of God will not come by observation


I would offer...In this case it was a sign of the times, the time of reformation had come . Its is an evil generation that seeks after sign and wonders no sign as a wonder will be given WE have the whole word of God with no laws missing by which we could know him more adequately

Who's seeking after? He said look for this, I look for this...
EEK! There's a bear behind that tree! Don't go out he'll eat you! I think I see evil!

 

[louis]

I'm of the opinion that the distress and perplexity of nations, with the sea and waves roaring (Luke 21:25), are caused by industry which is destroying the earth. As a result, mens hearts will be failing them for fear, realizing the weather is only going to get worse (Luke 21:26).
Over the last few years we have been seeing a greater number of anomalies in weather patterns. Severe droughts have recently plagued Brazil and India, with one currently underway in Cape Town, South Africa.
While we may not be at the levels in which mens hearts are failing them for fear, we nevertheless do appear to be getting closer.

Luke 21:25 [FONT=&quot]And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;[/FONT][FONT=&quot]26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.[/FONT]

 

[Noose]

Forgive me, but I do not like playing games. We were talking about literal fulfilment of scripture. I showed you how 70 AD was literal fulfiment of parts of prophecy (daniel 9 and Matt 24) and is proof that we should take all prophecy literal. 70 AD was not just “propoganda” as you called it. But literal fullfilment of something God prophesied would happen.

I also showed you how in both daniel 9 and matt 24. Many things and many events over many years are spoken of. One of which was what would occure in 70 ad “no stone shall be left standing”

Yet you still want to ignore that fact and just side step the issue. No thank you, if your not going to have honest discussion, I am done.

when your ready to honestly discuss this issue, let me know. I will be more than happy.

You are forgiven, not because you don't like playing games but because you are playing games.
70 AD is your propaganda.

Dan 12: 4"But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."......9He said, "Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time.

Do you have a place where the angel told Daniel that some prophesy will be fulfilled earlier??

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

do you honstly think someone is going to read all of this?

if you want people to respond. Break it down into smaller segments, even if you have to make three posts.. It is much easier to read..

I read it. I think he has some good points. There are some things I don't personally agree with in his post, but he has some points that I can see.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I read it. I think he has some good points. There are some things I don't personally agree with in his post, but he has some points that I can see.

Its still hard. To try to go in and respond to parts if you want. When the posts are that long and you have to go up and format like I do it makes it next to impossible.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are forgiven, not because you don't like playing games but because you are playing games.
70 AD is your propaganda.

Dan 12:4"But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."......9He said, "Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time.

Do you have a place where the angel told Daniel that some prophesy will be fulfilled earlier??

Whatever dude, Daniel spoke of the destruction of the city and sanctuary (70AD) Jesus spoke of the destruction of the temple (70 AD) You ignore it,, and call it propoganda, I am sorry but that is nonsense. Especially when it has been PROVEN that the event which occured in 70 AD were foretold. Period.

Good luck in your endeavers. I am done playing games, Again, you need to study..

 

[Noose]

Whatever dude, Daniel spoke of the destruction of the city and sanctuary (70AD) Jesus spoke of the destruction of the temple (70 AD) You ignore it,, and call it propoganda, I am sorry but that is nonsense. Especially when it has been PROVEN that the event which occured in 70 AD were foretold. Period.

Good luck in your endeavers. I am done playing games, Again, you need to study..

Jesus said immediately after those days, the stars will fall- we know the stars did not fall in the 70 AD.
You are done playing games but you are not done with the wrong interpretation obviously.

 

[louis]

The Lord stated not one single stone of the temple would sit atop another stone, that would not be thrown down.
The current Wailing wall in Jerusalem is part of the old temples foundation.
Do you think Christ did not include the foundation of the temple?

Matthew 24:2 [FONT=&quot]And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mark 13:[/FONT]2 [FONT=&quot]And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Luke 21:[/FONT]6 [FONT=&quot]As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.[/FONT]