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JaumeJ

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Read what I posted again, and see that there is absolugtely no conflict with what you have retorted here thinking it is refuting what is possted by me quoting God's words about Himself.

Jesus Christ and the Fadther are One......along with the Holy Spirit. Have you not learned this by the Holy Spirit?


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Have you not ever read in the Old Testament where God not only declares He is our Redeemer and our Salvation, but also that He is our King.

Have you never read Isaiah 9:6 where we are taught by God that the child born to the virgin would be known as the Everlasting Father, the Almighty God, the Ruler of Peace, Counselor, Comforter and more?

How can you think Jesus and the Father are not the Same, One...........along with the Holy Spirit. Does not the HOly Spirit teach you this when you read Isaiah and other prophets?
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BeyondET said:
Have you read the NT that Jesus saves that no one comes to the father except through Him Jesus?
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JaumeJ said:
Read what I posted again, and see that there is absolugtely no conflict with what you have retorted here thinking it is refuting what is possted by me quoting God's words about Himself.

Jesus Christ and the Fadther are One......along with the Holy Spirit. Have you not learned this by the Holy Spirit?
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could you please explain why you didn't approve of my first post?
 
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To be honest Academic's a person can read all day long for years but still won't get you saved only spiritual belief in a person who came to save his people from sin.
 
Willie-T

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And I thought our presently running candidates were adept at trying to dodge simple, direct questions. LOL
 
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And I thought our presently running candidates were adept at trying to dodge simple, direct questions. LOL
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Yes i get that indeed, it must have been me for I surely had thought that post one and two where one in the same though it may not in some people's opnion lol..
 
JaumeJ

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The word is used in reference to understanding the meaning of the name, Jesus, tracing it back to its Hebrew and translating it into English.

God always makes sense. When people by man's tradition, translate that the Agnel instrucgted Joeseph to call the child Jesus because He was to save His people, this translation has nothing to dow with why the name was given Him because it is not translated to our language, but transliterated leaving it unknow to most.

Jesus from the latin Yesu from the Greek Iesous from the Hebrw Yeshua does not tell anyone why this means He was to save His people, but if we transñate the name given by God via His Angel it would read, You shall name the child Salvation of God (Yahweh) for He will save His people, it makes all sense, for God is not mocked by traditions of men.

If you cannot follow this line of reason, please admit to it, but do not keep changing the subject or trying to change the meaning of this entire thread. It isnot in the spirit of dialogue.

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To be honest Academic's a person can read all day long for years but still won't get you saved only spiritual belief in a person who came to save his people from sin.
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Willie-T

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JaumeJ said:
The word is used in reference to understanding the meaning of the name, Jesus, tracing it back to its Hebrew and translating it into English.

God always makes sense. When people by man's tradition, translate that the Agnel instrucgted Joeseph to call the child Jesus because He was to save His people, this translation has nothing to dow with why the name was given Him because it is not translated to our language, but transliterated leaving it unknow to most.

Jesus from the latin Yesu from the Greek Iesous from the Hebrw Yeshua does not tell anyone why this means He was to save His people, but if we transñate the name given by God via His Angel it would read, You shall name the child Salvation of God (Yahweh) for He will save His people, it makes all sense, for God is not mocked by traditions of men.

If you cannot follow this line of reason, please admit to it, but do not keep changing the subject or trying to change the meaning of this entire thread. It isnot in the spirit of dialogue.
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In other words, the true meaning of His name cannot be translated to English, though the common spelling of a name shared by hundreds of other people is? This goes along with how I see the "Holy Shrine" people have made out of chanting J-E-S-U-S out loud, over and over again......... a focus entirely on the wrong thing.
 
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They both point to the same one attribute of God. God does not use a name as you or I needed to differentiate one from another. He has no opposition with the use of a of name to differentiate between two entities.

His entire collection of names are in respect to His immutable attributes there are many many. It just the first time he called out a nation by the attribute as savor called Jehovah. He could have used the word Joshua like Jesus which also denotes a savoir but rather chose Jehovah to represent the calling out of a whole nation to be used as types and shadows to be used in ceremonial laws that gave a visoin of the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did follow. This was used up until the first century reformation. When the shadows became the substance of the Son of man the outward form of an inward eternal Spirit our savor called Jesus..

It was not that he used El Shaddai, the Almighty of God like a first name and Jehovah as a middle name. He has many names that identify his attributes.

Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Prior to calling out a whole nation indiscriminately of where they were believers, or not he would call out one person at a time as those who are identified as new creatures beginning with Abraham from where the spiritual seed Christ was passed on from Abraham to Isaac , ETC so on through for 14 generations , as shown as the first words in Mathew 1:1-16

As Jehovah he was not using the whole nation to represent the seed Christ as the order of Mathew 1 . He used the name El Shaddai, the Almighty of God.
 
JaumeJ

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I have given the translation several times in this thread. Yeshua is mad up of words that say The Salvation of Yahweh (God)..



Willie-T said:
In other words, the true meaning of His name cannot be translated to English, though the common spelling of a name shared by hundreds of other people is? This goes along with how I see the "Holy Shrine" people have made out of chanting J-E-S-U-S out loud, over and over again......... a focus entirely on the wrong thing.
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KohenMatt

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BeyondET said:
well I was wondering the same thing about the OP statement of my post that what I said is not on subject of the thread.
(a name is a name Jesus saves) does that mean that God saves Yes which in my opinion Jesus is God as well. Though if a person believes in Jewish tradition they don't believe he was the Son of God or that Jesus is God. If I had said Emmanuel which means "God with us" in Spanish I may had a more friendly conversation with the OP.
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Sorry if I'm being too nosey, but I'm just trying to clear things up.

I don't think Jaume is coming against your post. From my perspective, he was just saying that the question was meant to be an academic question, not getting into subjective topics about Jesus being the one who saves. I could be wrong though.

Knowing Jaume as much as I do, I don't think he would disagree that it is Jesus who saves.
 
Willie-T

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If this is all I'm going to keep getting, I'm going back to watching CNN..... they are more entertaining about their smoke screens. LOL
 
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JaumeJ said:
The word is used in reference to understanding the meaning of the name, Jesus, tracing it back to its Hebrew and translating it into English.

God always makes sense. When people by man's tradition, translate that the Agnel instrucgted Joeseph to call the child Jesus because He was to save His people, this translation has nothing to dow with why the name was given Him because it is not translated to our language, but transliterated leaving it unknow to most.

Jesus from the latin Yesu from the Greek Iesous from the Hebrw Yeshua does not tell anyone why this means He was to save His people, but if we transñate the name given by God via His Angel it would read, You shall name the child Salvation of God (Yahweh) for He will save His people, it makes all sense, for God is not mocked by traditions of men.

If you cannot follow this line of reason, please admit to it, but do not keep changing the subject or trying to change the meaning of this entire thread. It isnot in the spirit of dialogue.
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Right, cause everyone knows that Angels speak Hebrew. :rolleyes:. Makes one wonder how Mary and Joseph understood anything they said to them.
 
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Sorry if I'm being too nosey, but I'm just trying to clear things up.

I don't think Jaume is coming against your post. From my perspective, he was just saying that the question was meant to be an academic question, not getting into subjective topics about Jesus being the one who saves. I could be wrong though.

Knowing Jaume as much as I do, I don't think he would disagree that it is Jesus who saves.
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well read the first four post and look at post two and three are these both not correct in your opinion or am I reading his propective wrong? Then you knowing Jaume he must not want to admit he is a Jewish follower.
 
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JaumeJ

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Let us return to the OP, reading it with understanding and then posting as a response to the Question. Thanks.

JaumeJ said:
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

How does the name, Jesus, relate to giving cause for Him to "save His people?. I know, but tell me.
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JaumeJ said:
Let us return to the OP, reading it with understanding and then posting as a response to the Question. Thanks.
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Not going the way you thought it would, eh?
 
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Final thoughts on what I've said, I'm far more spiritual than academic thus I'm being nice and not going to go there on what I felt but it's something I've always been able to feel in my life when comes to commoderie with people.
 
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JaumeJ said:
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

How does the name, Jesus, relate to giving cause for Him to "save His people?. I know, but tell me.
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The name Y'shua (Yeshua) means "Yahweh is salvation" in Hebrew. Y'shua is the only Heavenly Entity who has the Name of YHWH (Yahweh) within His own name! The angels/messengers all have the title of Elohim (God) within their names: Michael, Uriel, Raphael, Gabriel....

The Name above all Names, however, is YHWH ("Yahweh"):

John 17:6I have revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7Now they know that everything You have given Me comes from You. 8For I have given them the words You gave Me, and they have received them. They knew with certainty that I came from You, and they believed that You sent Me.
9I ask on their account. I do not ask on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those You have given Me; for they are Yours. 10All I have is Yours, and all You have is Mine; and in them I have been glorified. 11I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to You.Holy Father, protect them by Your name, the name You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one. 12While I was with them, I protected them and guarded them by Your name, the name You gave Me. Not one of them has been lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.13But now I am coming to You, and I am saying these things while I am in the world, so that they may have My joy fulfilled within them. 14I have given them Your word and the world has hated them; for they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.15I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one.a16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. 18As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world. 19For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth.


 
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I love threads that go sort of along these lines. "I'm going to throw a question out there, but you all have to answer it THIS way."
 
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It's the Person bearing the name that makes the name, the name above all names.

In other words,the name doesn't make the person,the person makes the name.

I know many people In the catholic church,named JESUS but they are JESUS In name only,not In power.

Like putting a military uniform on. The uniform doesn't make the person wearing the uniform a soldier. Being a true soldier makes the uniform fitting.

I hope I made sense.:)
 
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Willie-T said:
I love threads that go sort of along these lines. "I'm going to throw a question out there, but you all have to answer it THIS way."
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It's one notch above "I'm looking to get a fight started".
 
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