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pottersclay

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I thought the language of the day was Aramaic. The temple priests spoke Hebrew but the common Jews were not fluent in the Hebrew and adopted Aramaic as the chief language.
 

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When I read the Tanakh in Hebrew, Ezra and the first half of Daniel are in Aramaic in the texts available. It is quite understandable, but this is not the point. The language is not the point.

Here is the point, God name our savior, "The Salvation of God (Yahweh)" because He was to save His people

If understanding what God says is as one has said "a notch above I want to start a fight,2 then I must want to. This is not the case,.

It is frightening just how many would rather be ignorant of the meaning of the Christ's name as given by God. For me it is a breathtaking revelation of just how all knew from God, Himself, exactly who Jesus is and what He was going to do simply by knowing the meaning of HIs name.

This is not about knowing a language, because if it were you all would not be using transliterated names for Jesus such as Jesus, YIesu, Iesous etc. So you say a ame without knowing the meaning.

It should negate the Words also of Isaiah when He said tey would call Him, Immanuael, or God with us.

This is not an intellectual indevor, it is simply God revealing what the child was and Who..

If people are so set as to not care about Jesus Chrst enough to know the meaning of HIs name, I cannot help them, but do not accuse anyone of "wanting tos start afight" when he is csharing truth from the Word. Same on any who think such a thing.


I thought the language of the day was Aramaic. The temple priests spoke Hebrew but the common Jews were not fluent in the Hebrew and adopted Aramaic as the chief language.
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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#43
Does a person get tired from prancing around waving their knowledge in other people's faces and doing it only to get a debate going so you can...wave your knowledge in other people's faces?

SSDD for the BDF.
 

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#44
This thread is discussing the Word of God. The following is the topic of discussion.

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

The idea is to share understanding in depth of exactly what is declared in the quote of the Bible. This is Bible Discussion, is it not?

Now, I was born into a poor family, called hillbilly. My first home was an army tent along with my three sisters, brother, and parents. Yes, at one time I was ignorant as a stick, but I have graduated by studdying and attempting to bettermy lot. God has blessed me.

God has blessed me to want to know as much about my Savior as is possible ingratitude for the Salvation He has suffered and died to give teh world, that is those who care to know him

Now, if you are jealous because someone knows something, and you wish to declare this as prancing, you go right ahead. Worse was said to and done to our Savior, Jesus Christ.

If yo do not give a damn about what God said, and what He meant, this is your choice, but do not drag others down to that leeve.

Or, is it that you are simply a troll? I am asking.
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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#45
Think what you want. It doesn't make any difference to me. Think me a troll, or think me sacrilegious, or think anything else you need in order to satisfy your mind. Whatever you need to do to rationalize to yourself that you are right. It's your reputation and ego at stake, not mine.
 

JaumeJ

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#46
A classic case of transference. Enjoy yourself.

Think what you want. It doesn't make any difference to me. Think me a troll, or think me sacrilegious, or think anything else you need in order to satisfy your mind. Whatever you need to do to rationalize to yourself that you are right. It's your reputation and ego at stake, not mine.
 
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BeyondET

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#47
When I read the Tanakh in Hebrew, Ezra and the first half of Daniel are in Aramaic in the texts available. It is quite understandable, but this is not the point. The language is not the point.

Here is the point, God name our savior, "The Salvation of God (Yahweh)" because He was to save His people

If understanding what God says is as one has said "a notch above I want to start a fight,2 then I must want to. This is not the case,.

It is frightening just how many would rather be ignorant of the meaning of the Christ's name as given by God. For me it is a breathtaking revelation of just how all knew from God, Himself, exactly who Jesus is and what He was going to do simply by knowing the meaning of HIs name.

This is not about knowing a language, because if it were you all would not be using transliterated names for Jesus such as Jesus, YIesu, Iesous etc. So you say a ame without knowing the meaning.

It should negate the Words also of Isaiah when He said tey would call Him, Immanuael, or God with us.

This is not an intellectual indevor, it is simply God revealing what the child was and Who..

If people are so set as to not care about Jesus Chrst enough to know the meaning of HIs name, I cannot help them, but do not accuse anyone of "wanting tos start afight" when he is csharing truth from the Word. Same on any who think such a thing.

In the prophecy of the virgin birth, Isaiah 7:14, the prophet Isaiah declared, "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call Him Immanuel." This prophecy refers to the birth of Jesus in ,Matthew 1:22-23, "All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 'The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel' which means, 'God with us.'" This does not mean, however, that the Messiah’s name would actually be Immanuel.

There are many names given to Jesus using the phrase “He shall be called,” both in the Old and New Testaments. This was a common way of saying that people would refer to Him in these various ways. Isaiah prophesied of the Messiah, “His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” ,Isaiah 9:6. None of these titles was Jesus’ actual name, but these were descriptions people would use to refer to Him forever. Luke tells us Jesus “shall be called the Son of the Highest” ,Luke 1:32, and “son of God” (1:35), but neither of these was His name.

In two different places, the prophet Jeremiah says in referring to the coming Messiah, “And this is His name by which He shall be called, YHWH, OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS” ,Jeremiah 23:5-6; 33:15-16. Now we know that God, the Father, is named Yahweh. Jesus was never actually called Yahweh as though it was His name, but His role was that of bringing the righteousness of Yahweh to those who would believe in Him, exchanging that righteousness for our sin , 2 Corinthians 5:21. Therefore, this is one of the many titles or “names” which belong to Him.

In the same way, to say that Jesus would be called "Immanuel" means Jesus is God and that He dwelt among us in His incarnation and that He is always with us. Jesus was God in the flesh. Jesus was God making His dwelling among us , John 1:1,14. No, Jesus' name was not Immanuel, but Jesus was the meaning of Immanuel, "God with us." Immanuel is one of the many titles for Jesus, a description of who He is.
 
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#48
You are correct but it may be translated "The Salvation of Yah(weh) also" "His people" are all who are saved by His name.....
The ancient Hebrew language that the Old Testament was written in did not have vowels in its alphabet. In written form, ancient Hebrew was a consonant-only language. In the original Hebrew, God’s name transliterates to YHWH (sometimes written in the older style as YHVH). This is known as the tetragrammaton (meaning “four letters”). Because of the lack of vowels, Bible scholars debate how the tetragrammaton YHWH was pronounced.

The tetragrammaton consists of four Hebrew letters: yodh, he, waw, and then he repeated. Some versions of the Bible translate the tetragrammaton as “Yahweh” or "Jehovah" most translate it as “LORD” (all capital letters).

Contrary to what some Christians believe (and at least one cult), Jehovah is not the Divine Name revealed to Israel. The name Jehovah is a product of mixing different words and different alphabets of different languages. Due to a fear of accidentally taking God’s name in vain "Leviticus 24:16, the Jews basically quit saying it out loud altogether. Instead, when reading Scripture aloud, the Jews substituted the tetragrammaton YHWH with the word Adonai(“Lord”). Even in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament), the translators substituted Kurios(“Lord”) for the Divine Name. Eventually, the vowels from Adonai (“Lord”) or Elohim (“God”) found their way in between the consonants of YHWH, thus forming YaHWeH. But this interpolation of vowels does not mean that was how God’s name was originally pronounced. In fact, we aren’t entirely sure if YHWH should have two syllables or three.

Any number of vowel sounds can be inserted within YHWH, and Jewish scholars are as uncertain of the real pronunciation as Christian scholars are. Jehovah is actually a much later (probably 16th-century) variant. The word Jehovah comes from a three-syllable version of YHWH, YeHoWeH. The Y was replaced with a J (although Hebrew does not even have a J sound) and the W with a V, plus the extra vowel in the middle, resulting in JeHoVaH. These vowels are the abbreviated forms of the imperfect tense, the participial form, and the perfect tense of the Hebrew being verb (English is)—thus the meaning of Jehovah could be understood as “He who will be, is, and has been.”

So, what is God’s Name, and what does it mean? The most likely choice for how the tetragrammaton was pronounced is “YAH-way,” “YAH-weh,” or something similar. The name Yahweh refers to God’s self-existence. Yahweh is linked to how God described Himself in Exodus 3:14, “God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: “I AM has sent me to you.”’” God’s name is a reflection of His being. God is the only self-existent or self-sufficient Being. Only God has life in and of Himself. That is the essential meaning of the tetragrammaton, YHWH.
 

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#49
You have been given too many opportunites to dialogue in this thread and on the subject of this thread. Do not start up with your non-sincerity again. Keep it to yourself if yo cannot keep on OP....... Reading your posts here, you still do not seem to maintain any semblance of discussing the OP, none.

In the prophecy of the virgin birth, Isaiah 7:14, the prophet Isaiah declared, "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call Him Immanuel." This prophecy refers to the birth of Jesus in ,Matthew 1:22-23, "All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 'The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel' which means, 'God with us.'" This does not mean, however, that the Messiah’s name would actually be Immanuel.

There are many names given to Jesus using the phrase “He shall be called,” both in the Old and New Testaments. This was a common way of saying that people would refer to Him in these various ways. Isaiah prophesied of the Messiah, “His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” ,Isaiah 9:6. None of these titles was Jesus’ actual name, but these were descriptions people would use to refer to Him forever. Luke tells us Jesus “shall be called the Son of the Highest” ,Luke 1:32, and “son of God” (1:35), but neither of these was His name.

In two different places, the prophet Jeremiah says in referring to the coming Messiah, “And this is His name by which He shall be called, YHWH, OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS” ,Jeremiah 23:5-6; 33:15-16. Now we know that God, the Father, is named Yahweh. Jesus was never actually called Yahweh as though it was His name, but His role was that of bringing the righteousness of Yahweh to those who would believe in Him, exchanging that righteousness for our sin , 2 Corinthians 5:21. Therefore, this is one of the many titles or “names” which belong to Him.

In the same way, to say that Jesus would be called "Immanuel" means Jesus is God and that He dwelt among us in His incarnation and that He is always with us. Jesus was God in the flesh. Jesus was God making His dwelling among us , John 1:1,14. No, Jesus' name was not Immanuel, but Jesus was the meaning of Immanuel, "God with us." Immanuel is one of the many titles for Jesus, a description of who He is.
The ancient Hebrew language that the Old Testament was written in did not have vowels in its alphabet. In written form, ancient Hebrew was a consonant-only language. In the original Hebrew, God’s name transliterates to YHWH (sometimes written in the older style as YHVH). This is known as the tetragrammaton (meaning “four letters”). Because of the lack of vowels, Bible scholars debate how the tetragrammaton YHWH was pronounced.

The tetragrammaton consists of four Hebrew letters: yodh, he, waw, and then he repeated. Some versions of the Bible translate the tetragrammaton as “Yahweh” or "Jehovah" most translate it as “LORD” (all capital letters).

Contrary to what some Christians believe (and at least one cult), Jehovah is not the Divine Name revealed to Israel. The name Jehovah is a product of mixing different words and different alphabets of different languages. Due to a fear of accidentally taking God’s name in vain "Leviticus 24:16, the Jews basically quit saying it out loud altogether. Instead, when reading Scripture aloud, the Jews substituted the tetragrammaton YHWH with the word Adonai(“Lord”). Even in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament), the translators substituted Kurios(“Lord”) for the Divine Name. Eventually, the vowels from Adonai (“Lord”) or Elohim (“God”) found their way in between the consonants of YHWH, thus forming YaHWeH. But this interpolation of vowels does not mean that was how God’s name was originally pronounced. In fact, we aren’t entirely sure if YHWH should have two syllables or three.

Any number of vowel sounds can be inserted within YHWH, and Jewish scholars are as uncertain of the real pronunciation as Christian scholars are. Jehovah is actually a much later (probably 16th-century) variant. The word Jehovah comes from a three-syllable version of YHWH, YeHoWeH. The Y was replaced with a J (although Hebrew does not even have a J sound) and the W with a V, plus the extra vowel in the middle, resulting in JeHoVaH. These vowels are the abbreviated forms of the imperfect tense, the participial form, and the perfect tense of the Hebrew being verb (English is)—thus the meaning of Jehovah could be understood as “He who will be, is, and has been.”

So, what is God’s Name, and what does it mean? The most likely choice for how the tetragrammaton was pronounced is “YAH-way,” “YAH-weh,” or something similar. The name Yahweh refers to God’s self-existence. Yahweh is linked to how God described Himself in Exodus 3:14, “God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: “I AM has sent me to you.”’” God’s name is a reflection of His being. God is the only self-existent or self-sufficient Being. Only God has life in and of Himself. That is the essential meaning of the tetragrammaton, YHWH.
 
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BeyondET

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#50
The Word Jesus is theology involving prophecies in the OT, and more than likely the entire NT.

Yeshua was his given name a contracted form of Yehoshu'a used in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah in the Hebrew Old Testament. The form was also used in Aramaic, and was most likely the name represented by Greek Iesous in the New Testament.

I am correcting myself in that in a earlier post I had said Emmanuel was Spanish which is incorrect that's a romanize Latin Variant of Immanuel sorry for the typo.

Related Names


VARIANT: Yehoshua (Biblical Hebrew)
OTHER LANGUAGES: Essa, Isa, Issa, Yushua (Arabic), Josu (Basque), Jesus, Joshua (Biblical), Iesous (Biblical Greek), Iesus, Iosue (Biblical Latin), Jozua (Dutch), Joshua, Josh (English), Josué (French), Xesús (Galician), Iokua (Hawaiian), Yehoshua (Hebrew), Józsua (Hungarian), Giosuè (Italian), Josué (Portuguese), Jesús, Josué, Chucho, Chus, Chuy (Spanish), Jesus (Theology), İsa (Turkish)
 
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BeyondET

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You have been given too many opportunites to dialogue in this thread and on the subject of this thread. Do not start up with your non-sincerity again. Keep it to yourself if yo cannot keep on OP....... Reading your posts here, you still do not seem to maintain any semblance of discussing the OP, none.
dear brother I understand you have animosity towards my earlier post and cannot look past that and quite frankly that is something you have to deal with on your own. God bless you brother and I Love you :)
 
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BeyondET

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Here's the deal Brother JamueJ, I have learned something from this thread that you have made in which has great value to me for I am humbled and have graditude for that, what counts in my book is that I have learned something new of God and for that I thank you for making the thread :) truly I say God bless you and enjoy your day my friend.
 
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BeyondET

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Gees another typo sorry JaumeJ is correct :)
 
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pottersclay

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Well jesus is the name above all names. I can only do with what I've been given. To pick apart what God has joined together in search of error is not what we are called to do. Too search the scriptures to know him better is the calling.
Who is anybody that councils the Lord. Why do we strive to know good and evil. Why do we keep striving to be as God. That's what got us in trouble in the first place. I take Jesus at his word. His name and works are perfect in my eyes. If it's not a salvation issue I don't sweat it. I've been created to serve God not to be as God.
 
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BeyondET

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Well jesus is the name above all names. I can only do with what I've been given. To pick apart what God has joined together in search of error is not what we are called to do. Too search the scriptures to know him better is the calling.
Who is anybody that councils the Lord. Why do we strive to know good and evil. Why do we keep striving to be as God. That's what got us in trouble in the first place. I take Jesus at his word. His name and works are perfect in my eyes. If it's not a salvation issue I don't sweat it. I've been created to serve God not to be as God.
Indeed my friend, and if Jesus was here today in my opnion he might say this, dear bothers and sisters I Love you all very much, I've done what I have done which I offered up my own life to carry the weight of your sins and the worlds, so that you all may be reconciled with your Father my Father who dwells in Heaven, I have traveled a path of much pain and sacrifice laying down my own life in my own blood from the wiping post to the streets to the crucifix, so that any person who believes in me shall live forever, dwell in Heaven with our Father Our Lord, YHWH for ever and ever.
 

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I have 0 animosityother than being upset that when a simple question is posed about a specific quote from the Word, it is skirted totally and the OP is changed from elaborating ont he question to some kind of obligatory study and/or knowledge of teh Hebrew language.

No Bible student ever needs to know any language other than his native tongue, however whe we know a word, in this instance a neme is simply a sound created from knowing the word in the original tongue, yet it isnot translated to our tongue, it is not complete.

In this day and time we are able to Google just about anything, ergo knowledge of Greek or Hebrew is moot, unless the individual is unable to do this. I was aware of most of this by the Holy Spirt, actually all of it wasaffirmed by teh HOly Spirit.

As for Hebrew, as you have said, ancient Hebrew not having vowels, neither does modern Hebrew. There are diacritical markings representing the various vowel sounds though. You probably did not know that in ancient times Hebrew words wereall written together, no separations, no phrases, no sentences accept for teh astute reader. None of this has any bearing on the oP.

The OP is a straight forward question about what the Angel of the Lord pronouced to Joseph as pertaing to naming the child and why. The wy is wonderful to know.....it complets many things we knwe by the Holy Spirit butnever saw in front of us.

Now, as pertaing to what Mary and Joseph spoke, they most likely spoke the Hebrew of their time, not Aramaic, though they understood this too.

When God has spoken to me, just a few times, there were no words, yet understanding was immediated in my own language. This, I believe will be the pure language returned to all peoples spoken of by Zephaniah. There is no sound, not words yet it is heard and understood implicitely.

I would like to see you and all in the Kingdom of our King........Jesus, living in eternal joy and peace. God bless you always...........j


dear brother I understand you have animosity towards my earlier post and cannot look past that and quite frankly that is something you have to deal with on your own. God bless you brother and I Love you :)
 

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Note: It is constantly a mind blower when people take being told the truth is anger. I suppose this is just one more bold evidence that love is not always giving in........God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.
 
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I have 0 animosityother than being upset that when a simple question is posed about a specific quote from the Word, it is skirted totally and the OP is changed from elaborating ont he question to some kind of obligatory study and/or knowledge of teh Hebrew language.

No Bible student ever needs to know any language other than his native tongue, however whe we know a word, in this instance a neme is simply a sound created from knowing the word in the original tongue, yet it isnot translated to our tongue, it is not complete.

In this day and time we are able to Google just about anything, ergo knowledge of Greek or Hebrew is moot, unless the individual is unable to do this. I was aware of most of this by the Holy Spirt, actually all of it wasaffirmed by teh HOly Spirit.

As for Hebrew, as you have said, ancient Hebrew not having vowels, neither does modern Hebrew. There are diacritical markings representing the various vowel sounds though. You probably did not know that in ancient times Hebrew words wereall written together, no separations, no phrases, no sentences accept for teh astute reader. None of this has any bearing on the oP.

The OP is a straight forward question about what the Angel of the Lord pronouced to Joseph as pertaing to naming the child and why. The wy is wonderful to know.....it complets many things we knwe by the Holy Spirit butnever saw in front of us.

Now, as pertaing to what Mary and Joseph spoke, they most likely spoke the Hebrew of their time, not Aramaic, though they understood this too.

When God has spoken to me, just a few times, there were no words, yet understanding was immediated in my own language. This, I believe will be the pure language returned to all peoples spoken of by Zephaniah. There is no sound, not words yet it is heard and understood implicitely.

I would like to see you and all in the Kingdom of our King........Jesus, living in eternal joy and peace. God bless you always...........j
Yes I do understand I may have upset you and I apologize for my words, and only ask if you could forgive me and Love me as a friend or foe no matter which one I may be to you could this be something that could happen in words.
 

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Words are no barrier to the gift of love from God, for He is Love. Though I may be upset by the misunderstanding of others, this is no reason to hold a grudge, and I do not. I cnfess, growing up but yet a child an older relative of mine used to try to kill me, many times among which one was electrocution and another was by hanging with the rope broke, and I always prayed for this person all of my life. Recently that person passed on to glory. I was told he had come to Jesus Christ , and every morning and night I thank God for his salvation that it be sure and true. Now, I have had far worse experiences, but these only our Father knows of. Alway slove, even those who hagte you, especially them, for your prayers will be instrumental in saving them to the Kingdom. God is good all of the time. God bless you, and no, I was not begrudging you. You are very special t our Father therefore you are very special to all members of the Bodly of Christ, amen.

Yes I do understand I may have upset you and I apologize for my words, and only ask if you could forgive me and Love me as a friend or foe no matter which one I may be to you could this be something that could happen in words.
 
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BeyondET

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Words are no barrier to the gift of love from God, for He is Love. Though I may be upset by the misunderstanding of others, this is no reason to hold a grudge, and I do not. I cnfess, growing up but yet a child an older relative of mine used to try to kill me, many times among which one was electrocution and another was by hanging with the rope broke, and I always prayed for this person all of my life. Recently that person passed on to glory. I was told he had come to Jesus Christ , and every morning and night I thank God for his salvation that it be sure and true. Now, I have had far worse experiences, but these only our Father knows of. Alway slove, even those who hagte you, especially them, for your prayers will be instrumental in saving them to the Kingdom. God is good all of the time. God bless you, and no, I was not begrudging you. You are very special t our Father therefore you are very special to all members of the Bodly of Christ, amen.
Yes indeed God is Love and it is a Gift not earned but freely given to man, in saying that what would you say to me in your owns words from your own heart about me on forgiveness and Love.