End of Time and the Higgs Boson
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I think it's funny the smartest people call the particle God, and don't call him God who created the particle in the first place.
People consider science as God, like explaining 'how' things work could ever be the God in the first place....really.
Everything man does is ridiculous. They CREATE Cern to try and understand how everything came from nothing without CREATION. It's just ridiculous.
Take an empty vacuum of space, box it up and watch it forever....nothing will ever change unless someone from outside the empty box creates a condition for it to change, and even then they couldn't replicate it.
The 'smartest' people in the world don't even realize every experiment they do to RECREATE how everything came from nothing, comes from THEIR creation in the first place.
How about this reverse equation for the genuises.....E=MC2.
take the entire mass of the universe, multiply that by the velocity of light squared, and then you could equate the energy released by God in an Instant.
People consider science as God, like explaining 'how' things work could ever be the God in the first place....really.
Everything man does is ridiculous. They CREATE Cern to try and understand how everything came from nothing without CREATION. It's just ridiculous.
Take an empty vacuum of space, box it up and watch it forever....nothing will ever change unless someone from outside the empty box creates a condition for it to change, and even then they couldn't replicate it.
The 'smartest' people in the world don't even realize every experiment they do to RECREATE how everything came from nothing, comes from THEIR creation in the first place.
How about this reverse equation for the genuises.....E=MC2.
take the entire mass of the universe, multiply that by the velocity of light squared, and then you could equate the energy released by God in an Instant.
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mathematicians certainly don't say 0.9999 = 1.
*ahem*
i like how matter in this universe is 99.9999% empty space.
you're pretty sure there's a solid wall keeping you from doing God's will?
it's not solid. it's 99.9999% nothing.
all these materialistic things we trip over, all flesh -- 99.9999% nothing.
that iphone? that car? those shoes? that ((whatever)) you covet?
99.9999% nothing.
literally.
mathematicians certainly don't say 0.9999 = 1.
*ahem*
i like how matter in this universe is 99.9999% empty space.
you're pretty sure there's a solid wall keeping you from doing God's will?
it's not solid. it's 99.9999% nothing.
all these materialistic things we trip over, all flesh -- 99.9999% nothing.
that iphone? that car? those shoes? that ((whatever)) you covet?
99.9999% nothing.
literally.
mathematicians certainly don't say 0.9999 = 1.
*ahem*
i like how matter in this universe is 99.9999% empty space.
you're pretty sure there's a solid wall keeping you from doing God's will?
it's not solid. it's 99.9999% nothing.
all these materialistic things we trip over, all flesh -- 99.9999% nothing.
that iphone? that car? those shoes? that ((whatever)) you covet?
99.9999% nothing.
literally.
i'm talking about pretty darn near nothing.
a hydrogen atom is 99.9999999999314% empty space. at least, maybe more - because that's assuming neutrons and protons and electrons are solid.
but scientists don't say 99.9999999999314% nothing = nothing -- i mean, we talk about hydrogen as though it's not vacuum, right?
you said "scientists say 99.99% like it is close enough to be without error"
well, physicists talk about various substances as though they are not void, but they are even closer to being void than 99.99%
and mathematicians never say 0.9999 probability is probability of 1. that's why they say 99.99%, instead of "1"
so i was drawing a distinction between mathematicians, who find the numbers, and those who interpret them. and pointing out that there are some pretty low percentages, even way lower than what you mentioned, that make enormous differences. the difference between absolute void and a burger & fries is minuscule. but significant.
the people who find numbers, and the people who use numbers, are not the same as the people who quote and interpret them.
i guess i'm a scientist, and i just felt like i was being misrepresented
a hydrogen atom is 99.9999999999314% empty space. at least, maybe more - because that's assuming neutrons and protons and electrons are solid.
but scientists don't say 99.9999999999314% nothing = nothing -- i mean, we talk about hydrogen as though it's not vacuum, right?
you said "scientists say 99.99% like it is close enough to be without error"
well, physicists talk about various substances as though they are not void, but they are even closer to being void than 99.99%
and mathematicians never say 0.9999 probability is probability of 1. that's why they say 99.99%, instead of "1"
so i was drawing a distinction between mathematicians, who find the numbers, and those who interpret them. and pointing out that there are some pretty low percentages, even way lower than what you mentioned, that make enormous differences. the difference between absolute void and a burger & fries is minuscule. but significant.
the people who find numbers, and the people who use numbers, are not the same as the people who quote and interpret them.
i guess i'm a scientist, and i just felt like i was being misrepresented
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From what I've watched in videos and read in articles from good magazines the Higgs is less like a particle and more like a field. Yes there is a particle that is associated with the fields behavior and its noticeable at like 125 gev power in the accelerators. The choice of naming the particle the Higgs is almost entirely random. There were actually three different folks working on the symmetry equations at the same time when the LHC made the initial discoveries. Now they are fiercely debating who the nobel prize will go to. If people are interested I recommend watching 60 symbols the higgs boson on youtube or check out Brian Greene on youtube who also talks about it. The higgs operates at the scales inside particles we already know about. The new mystery is what causes massless particles to all of a sudden pick up extra mass. Quarks and gluons inside protons and neutrons have unaccounted for mass. Further down the rabbit hole we all go!
about twenty European countries make up CERN and pay for most of it out of their national energy and research budgets. the US, Japan, Canada, India, and Russia have also contributed a few hundred million dollars each in equipment and support, both from government monies and from private industry, and also directly from universities (not just money directly, but also equipment, labor, expertise, etc.)
about 7,000 physicists are employed in some capacity related to the LHC - most of those don't actually work at the collider, or may work there for a month or so doing their research, but do work using results from the machine. they might get paid as little as around 30-40k per year (working as teachers in universities and doing research using data from the LHC) or much more, like 6 figures, working for some private industry or other R&D firm.
it's hard to pin down numbers on all that - lots of parts were made all over the world and then sent there. it's a multi-national effort; it belongs to the world, not one company or country, and the data from it might be used in thousands of people's research who never even set foot in Europe at all.
iirc the people who actually work at the collider are rotated out - not sure if anyone is there long-term-career-wise. maybe a janitor, lol.
some info on that:
http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/28486
about 7,000 physicists are employed in some capacity related to the LHC - most of those don't actually work at the collider, or may work there for a month or so doing their research, but do work using results from the machine. they might get paid as little as around 30-40k per year (working as teachers in universities and doing research using data from the LHC) or much more, like 6 figures, working for some private industry or other R&D firm.
it's hard to pin down numbers on all that - lots of parts were made all over the world and then sent there. it's a multi-national effort; it belongs to the world, not one company or country, and the data from it might be used in thousands of people's research who never even set foot in Europe at all.
iirc the people who actually work at the collider are rotated out - not sure if anyone is there long-term-career-wise. maybe a janitor, lol.
some info on that:
http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/28486
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Career, make-work is big in science, the big discoveries few. Administrators spend careers drumming up support for this and that, some things that yield nothing useful, ever. Agencies like NASA are veritable welfare for a number of scientists, huge buildings full of Phd's who've had little to do with any space craft. Money and careers don't necessarily make for achievement, but how they pump up the importance of that quark, when an executive or politician is around!
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The bottom line, in terms of intelligent design, was do these particles, that get mass from a field, go to show in terms of a naturalistic explanation of anything? Does this alter there's no explanation where things came from, okay, particles and fields, or make any inroads into explaining irreducible complexity, even the cause for order, in a universe that demonstrates entropy? God particle? Good press to justify spending a couple billion dollars on a collider? Is getting smaller in thinking any closer to God? Seems like the usual hype.