End times

[PlainWord]

According to garee they are the law and the prophets:

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

So much speculative madness.

I want to be the law - you can be the prophets.

Being the law I get a badge - you, eat yer locusts and wild honey.....

But I hate locusts. Honey is okay, . Alright!!! I need to go on a diet anyway.

 

[PlainWord]

Hello PW my friend! Which verses are the parousia your talking about.

All of them. If they are discussing Christ's return, they were about His 1st century Parousia. His presence returned in the first century to oversee and carry out (using the Romans) the destruction of apostate Israel.

His Parousia return to destroy a wicked nation is AKA "the Day of the Lord." This same phrase "Day of the Lord" is used at least 4 times in the OT to discuss a time of divine punishment in the past to Edom, to Egypt, to Israel in the 6th century BC and to Babylon soon after. In each case the presence (or Parousia) of God was there. God was also present during several battles involving early Israel's success and it was there during the time the Maccabees defeated Antiochus. This the "Day of Christ" is the same exact meaning following the same precedent.

There is no future (to us) prophesy about a 3rd return of Christ. I am not ruling it out, just saying we don't have such a passage.

 

[KJV1611]

All of them. If they are discussing Christ's return, they were about His 1st century Parousia. His presence returned in the first century to oversee and carry out (using the Romans) the destruction of apostate Israel.

His Parousia return to destroy a wicked nation is AKA "the Day of the Lord." This same phrase "Day of the Lord" is used at least 4 times in the OT to discuss a time of divine punishment in the past to Edom, to Egypt, to Israel in the 6th century BC and to Babylon soon after. In each case the presence (or Parousia) of God was there. God was also present during several battles involving early Israel's success and it was there during the time the Maccabees defeated Antiochus. This the "Day of Christ" is the same exact meaning following the same precedent.

There is no future (to us) prophesy about a 3rd return of Christ. I am not ruling it out, just saying we don't have such a passage.

[h=1]Matthew 24:3 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
How do you determine in this verse if God intended the physical return or return of his presence?[/FONT]

 

[PlainWord]

Got to run to Church. Be happy to deflect all the darts when I get back.

 

[Locutus]

An eternal state where such things occur is difficult if not impossible to visualize. Since the Mosaic Age and the Law were coming to an end ("old heaven and earth"), and a new age would begin we get the phrase "New Heaven and Earth" to depict the new Messianic Age to come.

I'd agree with your post PL - but I'm not sure if Gill is saying the "Messianic Age to come" is already established or yet to come in the future - maybe you could clear up his thoughts here.

"and a new age would begin we get the phrase "New Heaven and Earth" to depict the new Messianic Age to come."

 

[PlainWord]

Matthew 24:3 King James Version (KJV)

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
How do you determine in this verse if God intended the physical return or return of his presence?

Real quick, then have to go. Read the actual question and better translation. They associated all three things together. The temple was ending, the age was ending and Christ's presence would return. They wanted the signs for when these three things would begin and Christ answers in perfect chronological order.

 

[Locutus]

Got to run to Church. Be happy to deflect all the darts when I get back.

It's the lawn darts that are the worst..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If the they should not be ignored and I agree we should never ignore the Scripture, what shall we do? If the end is nearer than we think, as Scripture as says to us.... What should we do... Are we warned for a reason or for just fun post on a Christian chat site? What is the practical application?

What we should do is be more urgent in making sure people know God. Make sure we are out makeing disciples.. and not just thinking of ourselves.

 

[KJV1611]

Real quick, then have to go. Read the actual question and better translation. They associated all three things together. The temple was ending, the age was ending and Christ's presence would return. They wanted the signs for when these three things would begin and Christ answers in perfect chronological order.

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I don't think one can conclude from any translation whether all 3 events were tied to the exact same day or time. Hebrew 9:26 says that the end of the world was happening when Christ came the first time... The temple certainly wasn't destroyed at this time.

Hebrews 9:26 King James Version (KJV)

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

 

[prove-all]

“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape
all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man”
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Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour
of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

“trial” or “Great Tribulation.”

 

[Blain]

Well for me I do know that we were warned for a reason and that we should pay attention but on the other hand it is more of a subject that I am fascinated by and so I like to discuss it and study it while also paying attention to it in the real world. Bible prophecy is the meat of all meats in the word of God and I cannot attest to others reasons of studying it or watching it unfold in this world but I do know that it began for me simply out of interest and as I continued down the road of prophecy it didn't just help me to understand the end times and bible prophecy it helped God and I become closer.

If there ever was a practical application of bible prophecy I would say it would be to bring us closer to God and to grow in him, I mean studying it and watching it in real life is all well and good but if it isn't to help bring us closer to him I simply don't see the point. Bible prophecy is only one of the many subjects that people can be interested in to study from the bible and in seeking that topic that interests you personally it helps you to gain a better understanding of him and will be a sort of jump start in bringing us closer to him.

 

[louis]

If the they should not be ignored and I agree we should never ignore the Scripture, what shall we do? If the end is nearer than we think, as Scripture as says to us.... What should we do... Are we warned for a reason or for just fun post on a Christian chat site? What is the practical application?

So that we are ready for the worst, and not enticed and snared by cares of the world (Luke 21:34-36).

Luke 21:35 [FONT=&quot]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.[/FONT]


Another reason would be so not to believe the false prophets in a rapture prior to any tribulation.

 

[jb]

If the they should not be ignored and I agree we should never ignore the Scripture, what shall we do? If the end is nearer than we think, as Scripture as says to us.... What should we do... Are we warned for a reason or for just fun post on a Christian chat site? What is the practical application?

Did a few blogs on the "last days" that you should find helpful, you can find them:

Here, Here, Here, Here and Here

 

[PlainWord]

I don't think one can conclude from any translation whether all 3 events were tied to the exact same day or time. Hebrew 9:26 says that the end of the world was happening when Christ came the first time... The temple certainly wasn't destroyed at this time.

Hebrews 9:26 King James Version (KJV)

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

The word, "world" here is a bad translation. "Age" is a better option. The age was coming to a close which is exactly what the disciples were asking about. When would these things be (the end of the temple), the sign of Your presence and the end of the age. 40 years left in a country which was 2,000 years old at the time could certainly be called, "the last days" or "the end of their age."

 

[PlainWord]

“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape
all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man”
-


Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour
of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

“trial” or “Great Tribulation.”

Those were very important words for those in and around Israel in the first century.

 

[PlainWord]

It's the lawn darts that are the worst..

Yeah, right?? Those things are huge. I have to use my garbage can lid on them...

 

[PlainWord]

I'd agree with your post PL - but I'm not sure if Gill is saying the "Messianic Age to come" is already established or yet to come in the future - maybe you could clear up his thoughts here.

"and a new age would begin we get the phrase "New Heaven and Earth" to depict the new Messianic Age to come."

Not sure what Gill had in mind as both ages came simultaneously, didn't they? It appears a change in the spiritual realm coincided with the changes in our physical world. I'd actually say, the changes in the spiritual were far more significant.

Could "heaven" signify "spiritual" and "earth" signify "physical" realm?

 

[stillness]

The same can be said of you dear brother. Those who rely on the many passage discussing the Parousia (Presence) return of Christ simply do not know their history nor the nature of His return. He came to pass judgment upon the apostate Jews in the first century, just as He (and others) often predicted. He presence (Parousia) indeed did return and it was recorded in history. But for those who are not students of history and only rely on teachings of today's many pastors, you would not know this and would be led astray in false hopes.

We live, we die, we immediately go to heaven. This is the way of our age, 2,000 years now and counting.

This child who Just turned 2, saw Jesus and the rap. and exposes you as teaching contrary to God, what are you going to do about it. I don't expect you to repent, what do you expect? The Lord is saying through her to prepare our hearts in praying, for His return.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...D1FE91FDBD798859E604D1FE91FDBD79&&FORM=VDRVRV

 

[stillness]

This child who Just turned 2, saw Jesus and the rap. and exposes you as teaching contrary to God, what are you going to do about it. I don't expect you to repent, what do you expect? The Lord is saying through her to prepare our hearts in praying, for His return.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...D1FE91FDBD798859E604D1FE91FDBD79&&FORM=VDRVRV

Notice: she bows 3 times when her mom asks who is coming.

 

[stillness]

This child who Just turned 2, saw Jesus and the rap. and exposes you as teaching contrary to God, what are you going to do about it. I don't expect you to repent, what do you expect? The Lord is saying through her to prepare our hearts in praying, for His return.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...D1FE91FDBD798859E604D1FE91FDBD79&&FORM=VDRVRV

I knew that you people who need to hear, would not hear me, and walked away, I only came back because someone liked my comment. Also obviously the Lord used a toddler of 2, so that people would not be able to question it.