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Jesus often spoke in double meaning, obviously he is answering both questions together and this is the case. There is enough evidence once we begin to understand prophesy of the hidden meaning. For example "Let him that is on the house top not come down to take anything out of his house, neither let him that is in the field return back to take his clothes," Having had an awakening in our spirit to be united to the head of the house, not to come down to take things in our hands again, and not to return back to old identity in the world. "Remember lot's wife." So while there may be a figurative meaning of fleeing Jerusalem back then, the real meaning is for us not to go back to our old life. "When they shall say peace and safety then sudden destruction shall come upon them." None of the wicked (who have not put away their divided spirit and have gone backwards) shall understand."
There will be a time of trouble such as never was in my lifetime, maybe not this year because there are so many predicting this year, and we don't know the day and the hour, but then again there are many saying peace and safety, so we that we are on the verge of destruction because of the hardness of hearts. We know we are to "Count it all Joy, Pray without ceasing, (not necessarily with words), in everything give thanks for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you." I hope it's this year just the same, let's get this over with, but God is patient and waits for the fruit to ripen and He is saying His bride is not ready: the beginning of trouble is to wake us up. "Yet once more will He shake heaven and earth so that the things that can be shaken be removed, so that we inherit a Kingdom that cant be shaken." "Watch and pray that you be not overtaken," "Blessed is he whoever is not offended in Me." "You are the salt of the earth, but if the salt lost it's Saviour, it's good for nothing but to be thrown out (on ice, to keep others from slipping in slippery places). Loosing our relationship with God is loosing our first love, the hardness of heart is evident as a warning.
There will be a time of trouble such as never was in my lifetime, maybe not this year because there are so many predicting this year, and we don't know the day and the hour, but then again there are many saying peace and safety, so we that we are on the verge of destruction because of the hardness of hearts. We know we are to "Count it all Joy, Pray without ceasing, (not necessarily with words), in everything give thanks for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you." I hope it's this year just the same, let's get this over with, but God is patient and waits for the fruit to ripen and He is saying His bride is not ready: the beginning of trouble is to wake us up. "Yet once more will He shake heaven and earth so that the things that can be shaken be removed, so that we inherit a Kingdom that cant be shaken." "Watch and pray that you be not overtaken," "Blessed is he whoever is not offended in Me." "You are the salt of the earth, but if the salt lost it's Saviour, it's good for nothing but to be thrown out (on ice, to keep others from slipping in slippery places). Loosing our relationship with God is loosing our first love, the hardness of heart is evident as a warning.
We are foretold to give us assurance that the Bible is true and that God foreknows everything.. Prophecy should make a Christian confident that the victory is already won and nothing is going to come along and surprise God.. Gods will shall be done because God cannot be overcome...
We don't have to DO anything.. All that we need to do is continue to believe and trust in the will of God and wait in wonderful expectation of our wonderful eternal future with God in Eternity..
We don't have to DO anything.. All that we need to do is continue to believe and trust in the will of God and wait in wonderful expectation of our wonderful eternal future with God in Eternity..
Hello Stillness,
While there are double meaning to some scriptures, your example scripture above only reveals one meaning, a literal meaning to flee from Jerusalem and that because of the setting up of the abomination. The meaning is not to pack anything to prepare for your departure, but for them to get out of the city immediately! For this is the time when the antichirst/beast is going to stand in the temple proclaiming himself to be God. There is no secondary meaning hinted at in the context.
Just like with symbolism or a parable, there has to be something in the context to alert the reader of the that fact. The same goes for scripture with a double meaning, otherwise you are just creating one. in addition, you would just be adding to the word of God what is not there.
The scripture above was not a warning for them "back then," but is a future warning, when the abomination will be set up in the future temple. This fleeing in Matt.24:15-22 is synonymous with Rev.12:6, 14 where the woman/Israel flees out into the desert to that place prepared for her by God. It has one meaning and that is to get the heck out of Jerusalem immediately.
'Years ago I asked the Lord if I should get a gun to hunt during famine, he said: You don't need any invention. I am curious what people think we need. "Count it all Joy, pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
I have accepted that some can't see past their understanding, because we don't know God in our understanding and that I cant help you there. Leaning on our understanding causes division, only by pride comes contentions.
I have accepted that some can't see past their understanding, because we don't know God in our understanding and that I cant help you there. Leaning on our understanding causes division, only by pride comes contentions.
There is no prophesy of another temple than the body of Christ, the body of Christ that is the temple. "The daily sacrifice taken away." represents Christians at war with one another: during the second world war, 2,300 days no longer serving the Lord but the nations at war. "Daily pick up your cross and follow me." was taken away, by the man of sin: Daniel 8:23. Not expecting you to see this, just saying your hard of hearing because you think you know. "If any man thinks he knows, he does not know as he should." The restoration of the daily sacrifice began Christmas eve 1944, when Germans and Americans, sang to the Lord together on the front lines. There is another mention of the daily sacrifice taken away in Daniel 12, during the time of trouble such as never was, that we are entering in. Sorry that I cant help you that are looking for an earthly temple. Both of these wars were prophesied to happen at the time of the end, and the book was to be sealed until the time of the end. Some of you are not there and you think you know, but your puffed up with knowledge.
The earthly temple is going to be built by the antichrist so that people who are waiting on it should completely get lost in their fantasies, otherwise for those who know, the abomination is in the hearts of men when truth is cast to the ground. The hearts of men is the temple of God.
Wasn't it said that the devil is the master of lies?
Wasn't it said that the devil is the master of lies?
Hi Noose,
First of all, the antichrist is not going to build the temple, but will make it possible for Israel to build their temple. I believe that this will be related to the seven year covenant that he makes with them.
Second, God has unfinished prophesies with Israel, one being that future last seven years in fulfillment of the seventy seven year periods that were decree upon them and their holy city Jerusalem, as proclaimed in Dan.9:24. This fulfillment has nothing to do with the church, but with the nation Israel who did not and still do not recognize Jesus as their Messiah. However, sometime during that last 3 1/2 years prior to Christ returning to the earth to end the age, they will come to the conclusion that Jesus is their Messiah saying "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord."
First of all, the antichrist is not going to build the temple, but will make it possible for Israel to build their temple. I believe that this will be related to the seven year covenant that he makes with them.
Second, God has unfinished prophesies with Israel, one being that future last seven years in fulfillment of the seventy seven year periods that were decree upon them and their holy city Jerusalem, as proclaimed in Dan.9:24. This fulfillment has nothing to do with the church, but with the nation Israel who did not and still do not recognize Jesus as their Messiah. However, sometime during that last 3 1/2 years prior to Christ returning to the earth to end the age, they will come to the conclusion that Jesus is their Messiah saying "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord."
Of course the antichrist won't build the temple and no one makes it possible for Israel to build a temple; what is building a temple got to do with anything?
Second, there are no prophesies for literal Jews separate from other people. Believers are the real Jews others are the synagogue of satan.
All the end times prophesy are about the church/believers.
Second, there are no prophesies for literal Jews separate from other people. Believers are the real Jews others are the synagogue of satan.
All the end times prophesy are about the church/believers.
Below is the scripture which infers that there must be a future temple:
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. ”
In Matt.24:15, Jesus quotes Daniel 9:27 regarding the setting up of the abomination. From the time He quoted it until the destruction of the temple in 70AD, there was no seven year covenant made and no temple to perform sacrifices in, and no temple to set up an abomination in, ergo, there must be a future temple built.
Currently, the Wafq (Islam) has control of the temple mount, else Israel would have already built the temple. This is by God's design to keep Israel from building the temple before the proper time. When that ruler, the antichrist comes, his covenant with many, Israel and Islam, will allow Israel to build her temple on the temple mount, which will allow her to begin her sacrifices and offerings according to the law and this in fulfillment of the seventy sevens that were decreed upon her.
If you go to the "Temple Institute" site, you will find that Israel has the blue prints for the temple, all the furniture for the temple, the Sanhedrin has been reconvened for several years, they have the priests clothing, the Ephod and gems and have been teaching their priests how to sacrifice. Everything is ready according to the law given to Moses.They're already to go and it is just a matter of God's timing for when that antichrist is revealed and will make it possible to build their temple. Here's the link for the "Temple Institute"
http://www.templeinstitute.org/
"Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
The scripture above is referring to the Israel and Jesus ruling during the millennial kingdom from the throne of king David. Notice the part about ruling over Jacob's descendants forever.
In case you didn't know, this is the future temple they were talking about:
1 Cor 6:19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the HolySpirit who is in you, whom you have received fromGod? You are not your own;
1 Cor 3: 17Ifanyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroyhim; for God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.
John 2:21But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body.
Eph 2:22And in Himyou too are being built together into a dwelling place for God in His Spirit.
And this is also the abomination being spoken by Daniel:
Dan 8:12And on account of transgression the host will be given over to the horn along with the regular sacrifice; and it will fling truthto the ground and perform its will and prosper.
Truly truly i tell you, truth can only be cast down in the hearts of men not some Wafq (Islam) on the temple mount with some blue print.
1 Cor 6:19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the HolySpirit who is in you, whom you have received fromGod? You are not your own;
1 Cor 3: 17Ifanyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroyhim; for God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.
John 2:21But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body.
Eph 2:22And in Himyou too are being built together into a dwelling place for God in His Spirit.
And this is also the abomination being spoken by Daniel:
Dan 8:12And on account of transgression the host will be given over to the horn along with the regular sacrifice; and it will fling truthto the ground and perform its will and prosper.
Truly truly i tell you, truth can only be cast down in the hearts of men not some Wafq (Islam) on the temple mount with some blue print.
End time prophesy is usually in regard to the end of the present world order under Satan, of which Satan's last stand will be in setting up the system of the beast that will run for 3.5 times/1,260 days (Revelation 12:6 & 14).
After the beast and Antichrists 3.5 times runs out (Daniel 7:25), the judgment sits and takes away the kingdom from the beast and antchrist (Daniel 7:26), and awards the kingdom on earth to the saints, through whom the Lord reigns (Daniel 7:27).
Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
After the beast and Antichrists 3.5 times runs out (Daniel 7:25), the judgment sits and takes away the kingdom from the beast and antchrist (Daniel 7:26), and awards the kingdom on earth to the saints, through whom the Lord reigns (Daniel 7:27).
Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
According to garee they are the law and the prophets:
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
So much speculative madness.
I want to be the law - you can be the prophets.
Being the law I get a badge - you, eat yer locusts and wild honey.....
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
So much speculative madness.
I want to be the law - you can be the prophets.
Being the law I get a badge - you, eat yer locusts and wild honey.....
Its the voice of the father of lies that proves who the antichrists are by sending out his false apotles. .He gets to wear that badge.
With all due respect you offer your private interstation as does any man .It never about flesh and blood or what the eyes see, the temporal. Again I know you are aware of it but we must be careful how we hear Him who remains without for.
You can’t be the law .God is no longer bringing any new revelations. Having a different form of hermeneutics does not make one a higher authority. Christ wears the badge as the witness. (law and prophets)
I am sure Hollywood would depict it in a more dramatic way and turn the two witnesses into real Zombies that that died as super saints and were somehow given CPR. But in order to find the spiritual understanding a person much search as for silver gold, finding honey, the pearl of great cost can be the reward. Just don’t eat too much .
The law and the prophets that God has set aside to be used as names ( Moses and Elijah) to represent by bringing as a perfect law and the power of His word to give us His understanding as the two witness.
Moses and Elijah or any unknown mystery guests do not literally appear whenever the unseen the authority of the witness of God was in view.
God does not accept the witness of literal men....we walk by the unseen witness, called faith. The two witness cannot by literal men as that seen we walk by faith the unseen witness witness .He as a flaming sword protects the way in fellowship.(the law and the prophets)
1John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
Which begs one of my favorite questions which is : When Christ does come in Spirit on the last day to destroy this present corrupted creation.. will he find an exclusive faith (the faith of Christ) that comes from hearing God, unseen)?
Or will it be a time of silence seeing the last person he intended to save as those who names are written on the lamb’s book of life has been fulfilled and the twinkling of the eye, the former thing of this world will not be remembered or ever come to mind. No literal reign in a literal flesh and bones body on a corrupted creation
Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Will the two witnesses have already been killed, making the faith of God without effect. Will Ill God revive his Word and carry out the change from the corrupted to the incorruptible all in the twinkling of the eye.
Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
To kill the prophecy is to make the word of God without effect .Killing the prophet is not killing the prophecy.
The law and the prophet’s is the only thing that does work out as the two witnesses. . Again there will be no mystery guests .Nothing to marvel after other than (sola scriptura) believing all things written by the finger of God in the law and the prophets
Acts 13:15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets (God’s two witness) the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.
Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and (two) out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: (2) for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Concerning Christ not Moses and Elijah .
John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
Who would you say are the law and the prophets? Do we look for literal flesh to kill in order to make the the witnesses to no effect? Its what the apostate Jew did... kill the prophets as in out of sight out of mind in a hope they could make the faith of God without effect.