Eternal Security and free choice for the Christian?
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Exactly, that's why they didn't experience salvation as we do. If so, they would have been absent from the body and present with the Lord upon death. Following the law could forgive their sins temporarily, keeping them from hell fire.
Leviticus 19:21-22, "21 And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering. 22 And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the Lord for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him."
His sins were forgiven but not cleared. They still had to be dealt with through the blood of Christ. The blood of the sacrifices could forgive sins but not take them away. The OT saints were just doing what they were instructed to do by God.
Exodus 34:7, "Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation."
Leviticus 19:21-22, "21 And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering. 22 And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the Lord for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him."
His sins were forgiven but not cleared. They still had to be dealt with through the blood of Christ. The blood of the sacrifices could forgive sins but not take them away. The OT saints were just doing what they were instructed to do by God.
Exodus 34:7, "Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation."
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Um, no, Jesus had to pay the penalty first, When jesus paid it, They all were present with the lord imediately.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
if sacrifice could take away sin, Every jew was given a clean slate on the day of redemption. And would be saved, whether they believed God or not..
because the high priest made the sacrifice for ALL ISREAL.
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1. Endure to the end speaks of physical life, Not eternal life. Many martyres will not endure to the end, yet they are still saved, They are seen in heaven praying for God to redeem their deaths, and take vengence on those to killed them.
2. Again, Will a person who has true saving faith not become a martyr?
if they take the mark, Did they ever have faiht in God at all??
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And you think God is going to punish them for that, by not allowing them into heaven for 1? Peter denied Christ in front of men, God never denied Peter
Again, Your preaching dualism, Your placing a condition on a persons salvation, Making them gain or lose it by their works..
I can not agree with this gospel. Jesus said he was the first the last, He is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. What goes today, went 5000 years ago and will go 5000 years from now.. No matter what age we are in.
This is exactly why I believe the book of James, dispensationally, is not to the body of Christ but to the twelve tribes scattered abroad during the tribulation period. All signs in James point to this period when the coming of the Lord is literally at hand with the judge standing before the door. James points to Job as an example. Why? The 42 chapters of Job picture the 42 months(3 1/2 years) of the great tribulation. If you're a Jew living in this time period, look to the patience and suffering of Job as an example.
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Yes, But how he saved people has been the same from the beginning.
The gospel never changed, Faith in God saves. not of works at any time, lest a man should take credit.
Abraham and david are both examples.
God called abraham righteous before he did those grave sins and did all those great works. King david was called a man after Gods heart before he did any great work and before he committed those two horrific sins..
God knew both men would do the things they did long before he declared them his children.. He saved them in spite of their sin, based on their trust in God, and what his son would do far in the future (the cross)
The shed blood of Jesus Christ is the only way to eternal salvation. But, how the blood of Christ is applied has changed. In the Church Age the blood is applied immediately upon believing the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. In OT times, the blood of Christ was applied to those that were in Abraham's bosom for their obedience to God's word whatever that would have been in their dispensation. The blood of Christ was applied obviously after His death.