Faith of Jesus Christ

[disciplemike]

justified by the FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD is an advanced level of understanding known as strong meat; and is only suitable for the initiates in Christ.
my pastor would always say this" the church is the only institution in the world that students of various levels( ranging from pr-nursery to Doctorate) are found in one class room. just something to think about brethren".

that is not the strong meat, sister.

Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.
Hebrews 6:1-2 (ESV2011, MBM)

(read the rest of that chapter)

 

[John146]

that is not the strong meat, sister.

It seems to be because a lot of people don't understand what justifies a believer. No amount of good works can ever justify a believer before God or man. All the work's been done for justification. God's righteousness is found in the faith of Jesus Christ.


Romans 3
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

The faith of Christ is unto all, everyone, whosoever but is upon all them that believe the gospel. The righteousness of God comes upon a man upon belief.

 

[heavenly_bound]

Can we make that judgment if a man is saved or not? Can you list some fruits that a saved man will show that an unsaved man never shows?

The spiritually matured can well discern can't he?

 

[lastofall]

An important verse should be included seeing that we seek to be justified by Christ:

"But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid." (Galatians 2:17)

 

[eph610]

Let's get real.
When Paul wrote about being justified by faith, and "Christ lives in me", the man was probably living on bread crumbs, wearing rags, getting beaten often, just trying to make it to the next town to preach.

it's easy to sit at Starbucks and punch out a text on your Iphone 7 to your friend, about how awesome your faith is.

You would be wrong about Paul, he was a tent maker and that trade back in his day would be very similar to a structural Engineer with a PE[professional engineer] certification. It took lots of money back then, just like it does now, to spread the true Gospel....Paul did talk about his condition and at times he was very abased and other times were good or great, he simply found that resting in the Lord for his provision made him content...

Stop trying to legalize everything and condemn others who don't share your zeal for the law...

 

[eph610]

Can we make that judgment if a man is saved or not? Can you list some fruits that a saved man will show that an unsaved man never shows?

Yes....Perfect love....is the greatest fruit....

Perfect love will give without any expectation of any kind of return....All other forms of love take, only the perfect love of God shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost gives...

The doctrine that you cannot discern if a person saved or not is high minded false humility at best, and arrogant pride at worse.

For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. The Holy Ghost has shown me many that are not believers...likewise he has shown me when those unbelievers are ready to believe....

Acts shows us many times when men of God knew who believed and who did not.

 

[eph610]

The difference is in the dispensations. We now live and are justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. Do you want to see the works of my justification, then look no further than the cross.

James is talking to a whole different group of people in a different dispensation. Notice the wording, my faith and my works. Paul says clearly that a man is justified by the faith of Christ and Christ's work on the cross. Big difference.

James later says in verse 24, "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

Paul clearly says a man is justified by the faith of Christ in Galatians 2:16, "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

Dispensational theology breeds unbelief...

 

[John146]

Dispensational theology breeds unbelief...

Examples please...

 

[heavenly_bound]

It seems to be because a lot of people don't understand what justifies a believer. No amount of good works can ever justify a believer before God or man. All the work's been done for justification. God's righteousness is found in the faith of Jesus Christ.


Romans 3
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

The faith of Christ is unto all, everyone, whosoever but is upon all them that believe the gospel. The righteousness of God comes upon a man upon belief.

The FAITH of the Son of God is not as simple as it seems. When expounded upon you will find out that we are as righteous as God Himself through the Faith of the Son of God. in Other words the Son of God believes that by his Faith in what he has done at the cross, We have been brought into right standing(equality)with God ( a nature to nature relationship)! . we have been Made sons of God in the Son. we share his Sonship. we are sons to the exact same degree as the Son is to the Father! How many have this understanding? Thats why i call it strong meat

 

[eph610]

Examples please...

The doctrine of Cessation of the spiritual gifts, is rooted and grounded in dispensational theology...

If you do not believe all the gifts are for today and were only for the Apostles or signs to Jews, then that also must mean personal salvation, because that is also a gift....you cannot throw out part of the Bible and justify throwing it out under the label of Dispensation

 

[John146]

The doctrine that you cannot discern if a person saved or not is high minded false humility at best, and arrogant pride at worse.

Are you saying you can discern who is saved and who is lost? How can you tell? Can you list some proofs who you come about these conclusions?

 

[eph610]

Are you saying you can discern who is saved and who is lost? How can you tell? Can you list some proofs who you come about these conclusions?

I listed the only fruit that matters.....post #26

 

[John146]

I listed the only fruit that matters.....post #26

So love is your answer. Lost people don't show love? I know a lot of lost people who love unconditionally more than saved believers.

 

[eph610]

So love is your answer. Lost people don't show love? I know a lot of lost people who love unconditionally more than saved believers.

How can a lost person have one or any of the fruit of the Spirit?

 

[eph610]

So love is your answer. Lost people don't show love? I know a lot of lost people who love unconditionally more than saved believers.

I can assure you they appear to love unconditionally, but in time what they call their unconditional love, usually and rightly so has conditions. 1 John 4 tell us what perfect love looks like and how it should manifest in a believers life.


We have lost family members, on the outside looking in, once could say they love us unconditionally, but that is not the case, we are called intolerant, bigots, Jesus Freaks, and the usual ho-hum names....yet we still love them, don't preach around them and let the perfect love of Christ surround them....we let our gentleness by known to them in all things...

Likewise I knew of a man who many thought was the ideal Believer and he personally proclaimed Jesus was his Lord, oh my! How he "loved" his family, his church, his church friends, his country, his job, his land, etc..... We had a black family visit the church one day and after service he came up to me and said....you ain't letting that[pointing to the black family] into our church or else.....

The man was a raging racist in his heart....and even used very vulgar to describe them...said God was white, so was Jesus and they can go to their "own" church and not come to "our" church.....That man was not a believer in the least bit....

Can you guess who stayed and who left....and who had to love that racist despite himself?

Disclaimer, I am white

 

[notuptome]

Dispensational theology breeds unbelief...

Completely false and self serving. Dispensational theology is essential in developing a correct understanding of your bible.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[eph610]

Completely false and self serving. Dispensational theology is essential in developing a correct understanding of your bible.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

We agree to disagree....

 

[John146]

Completely false and self serving. Dispensational theology is essential in developing a correct understanding of your bible.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

What occurs is one will try and mesh all doctrines together with no understanding to whom God is speaking.

"All Scripture is written for us, but not all Scripture is written to us."

 

[eph610]

What occurs is one will try and mesh all doctrines together with no understanding to whom God is speaking.

"All Scripture is written for us, but not all Scripture is written to us."

This is a perfect example of how Dispensational theology breeds unbelief...

2 Tim 3.16-17
[SUP]6[/SUP]All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; [SUP]17 [/SUP]so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

 

[eph610]

Completely false and self serving. Dispensational theology is essential in developing a correct understanding of your bible.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Another example of dispensation doctrine is regarding Bible Covenants...dispensation teaches 2, the Bible records 8