Faith of Jesus Christ

[John146]

This is a perfect example of how Dispensational theology breeds unbelief...

2 Tim 3.16-17
[SUP]6[/SUP]All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; [SUP]17 [/SUP]so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

All Scripture is inspired by God but not all of it is doctrine for us. Answer me this, did not God tell Jonah to go to Nineveh and cry against it saying "yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown." Is that our direction? If it is, why aren't you in Nineveh? Or do we take God's doctrine to Jonah and make an example out of it? We don't take it literally to us, but it is for us to read and apply some of the same concepts. Again, have you built an ark? Made any sacrifices lately? Yes, these are shadows, but shadows are not the real thing.

 

[eph610]

All Scripture is inspired by God but not all of it is doctrine for us. Answer me this, did not God tell Jonah to go to Nineveh and cry against it saying "yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown." Is that our direction? If it is, why aren't you in Nineveh? Or do we take God's doctrine to Jonah and make an example out of it? We don't take it literally to us, but it is for us to read and apply some of the same concepts. Again, have you built an ark? Made any sacrifices lately? Yes, these are shadows, but shadows are not the real thing.

I don't disagree with you on this point and agree

 

[notuptome]

Another example of dispensation doctrine is regarding Bible Covenants...dispensation teaches 2, the Bible records 8

I do not know where you got your information but dispensational theology does not limit itself to 2 when there are 8. Dispensational theology takes into account more than the OT and the NT as dispensations.

Likely not a great idea to condemn that which you do not understand.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[miknik5]

Paul actually teaches the believer is justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. That's real.

Is the faith of and the faith in two different things?

 

[miknik5]

All Scripture is inspired by God but not all of it is doctrine for us. Answer me this, did not God tell Jonah to go to Nineveh and cry against it saying "yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown." Is that our direction? If it is, why aren't you in Nineveh? Or do we take God's doctrine to Jonah and make an example out of it? We don't take it literally to us, but it is for us to read and apply some of the same concepts. Again, have you built an ark? Made any sacrifices lately? Yes, these are shadows, but shadows are not the real thing.

What are you saying? We were called to be HIS WITNESSES before a lost world for the very same reason that Noah (a preacher of righteousness even knowing the extent of the simfulness of the people) and Jonah(also knowing the extent of the wickedness of the people of Ninevah )

 

[miknik5]

God finished the "ark" and one stronger than Jonah has come
we know it and we are supposed to preach that TRUTH as HIS WITNESSES so that men might be saved [HR][/HR]

 

[miknik5]

wonderful. but the problem is, anyone can say they are a believer. (mat7)

It doesn't matter. God is not fooled

and Romans 10 is sufficient in resolving any issue with a false profession hidden from men but not hidden from GOD

 

[miknik5]

We can see and understand the shadows now, but they had no understanding of the cross in the OT. The OT saints had faith in what God was instructing them to do and the evidence of their faith was in their obedience. Noah had faith in what God had told him about the upcoming flood and to build an ark. What's the evidence that Noah had faith in what God told him? Noah built the ark.

After the cross, a man is justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. Where's the evidence of Christ's faith? The evidence is the cross. The evidence is found in the gospel of Christ. Christ was obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Christ's faith?
I'm confused and not comprehending this.
Christ came to show us the FATHER

HE had to learn obedience and by HIS obedience many (who believed in HIM) are made righteous

o am having a hard time trying to understand whether I agree that faith of JESIS and faith IN JESUS are the same things

 

[miknik5]

Paul actually teaches the believer is justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. That's real.

Actually that isn't exactly what Paul said

 

[miknik5]

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Can i or anyone from any age in history say that they are without sin? All have sinned except Christ. The Blood of Jesus is the only blood that can save anyone from any age. Faith is the only means to access that perfect blood.

The same faith the only difference is that the people before Christ looked forward by faith and those after Christ look back by faith.

The shadows and ceremonial laws were given to help them look forward.

i wonder if this is what is meant when it is said to save all those who all their lives were afraid of death. Knowing they had sinned and that none were without sin, knowing the holiness of GOD they relied on the WORD and PROMISES of GOD and did not yet understand that they would not be made perfect without us by the same GRACE which was to come to us in CHRIST JESUS

 

[miknik5]

We can see and understand the shadows now, but they had no understanding of the cross in the OT. The OT saints had faith in what God was instructing them to do and the evidence of their faith was in their obedience. Noah had faith in what God had told him about the upcoming flood and to build an ark. What's the evidence that Noah had faith in what God told him? Noah built the ark.

After the cross, a man is justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. Where's the evidence of Christ's faith? The evidence is the cross. The evidence is found in the gospel of Christ. Christ was obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

I think the question posed from the beginning which is THE FOUNDATION OF OUR FAITH must first be answered personally by those who wish to have the faith of JESUS"?

That is, who do the people say I am?

i think to have the "faith of Jesus" yet not believing who HE is is no different than one professing themselves

 

[miknik5]

We can see and understand the shadows now, but they had no understanding of the cross in the OT. The OT saints had faith in what God was instructing them to do and the evidence of their faith was in their obedience. Noah had faith in what God had told him about the upcoming flood and to build an ark. What's the evidence that Noah had faith in what God told him? Noah built the ark.

After the cross, a man is justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. Where's the evidence of Christ's faith? The evidence is the cross. The evidence is found in the gospel of Christ. Christ was obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

The "evidence of Christ's faith" is that HE came forth from The Father and as such always did what pleases
the Father

how could HE do otherwise?

 

[miknik5]

We can see and understand the shadows now, but they had no understanding of the cross in the OT. The OT saints had faith in what God was instructing them to do and the evidence of their faith was in their obedience. Noah had faith in what God had told him about the upcoming flood and to build an ark. What's the evidence that Noah had faith in what God told him? Noah built the ark.

After the cross, a man is justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. Where's the evidence of Christ's faith? The evidence is the cross. The evidence is found in the gospel of Christ. Christ was obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Do you think they have understanding of the cross now?

 

[miknik5]

The difference is in the dispensations. We now live and are justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. Do you want to see the works of my justification, then look no further than the cross.

James is talking to a whole different group of people in a different dispensation. Notice the wording, my faith and my works. Paul says clearly that a man is justified by the faith of Christ and Christ's work on the cross. Big difference.

James later says in verse 24, "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

Paul clearly says a man is justified by the faith of Christ in Galatians 2:16, "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

James was talking to those who thought themselves so spiritual but didn't do naturally what should have been naturall to do . And that was to provide to a brother physical needs and well being when it was in their ability to do so

it is a mockery to say that one is so spiritual that I will pray for you and yet not give what is in your ability to give right then and there to a brother in need

and it applies today too

 

[miknik5]

Dispensational theology breeds unbelief...

And division

 

[miknik5]

The FAITH of the Son of God is not as simple as it seems. When expounded upon you will find out that we are as righteous as God Himself through the Faith of the Son of God. in Other words the Son of God believes that by his Faith in what he has done at the cross, We have been brought into right standing(equality)with God ( a nature to nature relationship)! . we have been Made sons of God in the Son. we share his Sonship. we are sons to the exact same degree as the Son is to the Father! How many have this understanding? Thats why i call it strong meat

Only because of HIM do we have an inheritance. Apart from HIM. No

 

[miknik5]

Are you saying you can discern who is saved and who is lost? How can you tell? Can you list some proofs who you come about these conclusions?

Anyone who believes in HIM will be saved

correct?

or do we have to make sure

 

[miknik5]

Completely false and self serving. Dispensational theology is essential in developing a correct understanding of your bible.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

please explain

 

[miknik5]

What occurs is one will try and mesh all doctrines together with no understanding to whom God is speaking.

"All Scripture is written for us, but not all Scripture is written to us."

All scripture is written for us and to us

the testimony if Jesus is the spirit of proohecy

if the Angels are aervants with us then who do you think the OT saints are but brothers and servants also with us
as well this truth all things are being brought into submission under one head even CHRIST JESUS

There is only ONE BODY and ONE BRIDEGROOM and ONE OLIVE TREE, JERUSALEM
correct?

 

[miknik5]

All Scripture is inspired by God but not all of it is doctrine for us. Answer me this, did not God tell Jonah to go to Nineveh and cry against it saying "yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown." Is that our direction? If it is, why aren't you in Nineveh? Or do we take God's doctrine to Jonah and make an example out of it? We don't take it literally to us, but it is for us to read and apply some of the same concepts. Again, have you built an ark? Made any sacrifices lately? Yes, these are shadows, but shadows are not the real thing.

Did you know that the men of Ninevah will stand in the judgement and condemn this generation for their unbelief?