Fallacies of the Present Day Church
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John 3:14-15
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Is this life that Jesus gives to men, is it given to all men or just those who believe in Him?
You believe in Him, I'm not worried about that. I was just wondering if you thought belief was a pre-requisite for everyone...
If God rolled back the curtain of heaven and allowed us to taste a small mega-bit of foreknowledge and all that God has ordained in His perfect plan, I think we would be very surprised with the things that befell and happen to us in that plan as members of His body, the church. That post was not to advocate a certain kind of behavior toward others but to put away the nuisance and nuance of this stumbling-block that is always being put in the path of believers that Christ is teaching the finished work to through grace and truth and much patience.
What is belief? Coming on a chat board and professing that I love Jesus?
There is such a thing as quiet belief. Hidden from the eyes of men and not done in show. Which many will possess.
Belief, as a word, describes unhinged, total adherance.
do I believe in Jesus teachings? His death? What?
Do I believe there IS a Jesus?
Do I do completely as HE does?
Is THAT what the prerequisite is.
No, I BELIEVE IN THE JESUS THAT HE SAYS HE IS> WHO DIED FOR ALL MEN, and who came to save, not condemn.
Notice that even JESUS must be lifted up and shown, so that (then because of that) everyone shall see him being lifted, and believe in him, and shall have everlasting life.
There is such a thing as quiet belief. Hidden from the eyes of men and not done in show. Which many will possess.
Belief, as a word, describes unhinged, total adherance.
do I believe in Jesus teachings? His death? What?
Do I believe there IS a Jesus?
Do I do completely as HE does?
Is THAT what the prerequisite is.
No, I BELIEVE IN THE JESUS THAT HE SAYS HE IS> WHO DIED FOR ALL MEN, and who came to save, not condemn.
Notice that even JESUS must be lifted up and shown, so that (then because of that) everyone shall see him being lifted, and believe in him, and shall have everlasting life.
That's a pretty good place to start...
There is such a thing as worshipping in Spirit and in Truth.
Do you believe that He has come down from heaven and saved you, personally? Not 2000 yrs ago but in your life as you have lived it?
Jesus died for all men, tis true. But not all men cry out to Him with a contrite heart and a broken spirit asking for His forgiveness and mercy...
The Lord Jesus did come to save. But from what?
There is such a thing as worshipping in Spirit and in Truth.
Do you believe that He has come down from heaven and saved you, personally? Not 2000 yrs ago but in your life as you have lived it?
Jesus died for all men, tis true. But not all men cry out to Him with a contrite heart and a broken spirit asking for His forgiveness and mercy...
The Lord Jesus did come to save. But from what?
why do you keep misquoting that passage?
Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees, whom He said would not enter the Kingdom.
the text does not say 'within you'; it says 'in your midst' - meaning HIM. then. standing there in front of them.
do you think He was telling His enemies whom He cursed they had the kingdom of God within them, after telling them they were doomed?
Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees, whom He said would not enter the Kingdom.
the text does not say 'within you'; it says 'in your midst' - meaning HIM. then. standing there in front of them.
do you think He was telling His enemies whom He cursed they had the kingdom of God within them, after telling them they were doomed?
'The kingdom of God is not something we will look at (Could they LOOK at Jesus?), nor say 'there it is' (could they point at Jesus?), for behold, the kingdom of God is within you'.
Peace, love, joy, charitability.
'For the Kingdom of God is of peace, love, and joy'.
'For the harlots and tax collectors will see the kingdom of God before you'. (answered in response to a question about who 'does the fathers will'). Point being, the pharisees had plenty of 'prerequisites' for 'getting into heaven', yet they didn't have a lot of peace, love and joy within them.
Peace, love, joy, charitability.
'For the Kingdom of God is of peace, love, and joy'.
'For the harlots and tax collectors will see the kingdom of God before you'. (answered in response to a question about who 'does the fathers will'). Point being, the pharisees had plenty of 'prerequisites' for 'getting into heaven', yet they didn't have a lot of peace, love and joy within them.
Christ WAS in their midst but He has risen and ascended to the right hand of the Father (Jn 14:2,3, 20:17, 6:62, Acts 1:6-11). NOW where is He? As the head of the body, the church, He is in their midst (Rev 1:13, 2:1) and rejoices over them, and also dwells in them (Rom 8:9-11). This is the kingdom of God's dear Son (Col 1:13) and that kingdom is within through God's imputed righteousness, the peace that has come through the blood of the cross and with the joy of the Holy Spirit who reveals Christ in us, the hope of glory, God's only begotten Son (Rom 14:17,18, Col 1:27).
Tell me what kingdom these were referring to when Christ was about to be taken up in the cloud...
Acts 1:1-7
1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Tell me what kingdom these were referring to when Christ was about to be taken up in the cloud...
Acts 1:1-7
1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
C
I think you missed her point
why do you keep misquoting that passage?
Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees, whom He said would not enter the Kingdom.
the text does not say 'within you'; it says 'in your midst' - meaning HIM. then. standing there in front of them.
do you think He was telling His enemies whom He cursed they had the kingdom of God within them, after telling them they were doomed?