Fallacies of the Present Day Church

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Sorry my picture offended you. I haven't been rude
in the slightest. If logic and rational thought offends
you how can anyone reason with you? Seems like
your'e more interested in getting an eye for an eye.
This is typical hypocritical "Christian" behavior. Thanks
for proving my point. I'm done here.
 
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RickShafer said:
Looking for proof of God while accepting evolution as truth is moronic.
Are you sure you didn't make a typo?
You claimed to be a mormon,.......
Moron more like.
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Nice love there
 
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RickShafer

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Rational thought?
Is that what you claimed?
Reread your posts.
You accusations against those answering you are far from 'rational'.
 
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Colossians 1

For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; 12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
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Grandpa

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Skinski7 said:
The usual straw man example strikes again I see.

Any person who teaches that you can actually commit a willful transgression and not surely die is a liar. If they are teaching that a Christian CAN sin but they will not be condemned because "Jesus already paid the penatly" or the Christian is "cloaked with the imputed righteousness of Jesus" then they are teaching that grace is a license to sin.

Of course they would not put it so bluntly like I do and will dress their "CAN SIN" up with language like "shouldn't sin." Yet they will never say that a Christian CANNOT SIN lest they fall under condemnation and CANNOT is the OPPOSITE of CAN.

The statement that people will swallow a camel in order to strain out a gnat is so vividly true.
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Can a person be saved by the Lord Jesus Christ?

obviously, yes. I am a witness to this FACT.

This person who was saved by the Lord Jesus was trapped in his sins. That is what he was saved from.

If this person who is saved sins again he has an advocate with the Father, namely Jesus Christ.

Do you deny any of this??

I don't like the condemnation you are trying to put Gods Saved People under. If you think you are any more holy or any more sinless than anyone else you are sadly mistaken. There is a reason why God came in the flesh to dwell amongst us. We have a really big problem that only He can solve. Thank You Jesus...
 
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See you in heaven Rick :) where we can not even bother to ask God who's better. Again, you are you and I am me. Made just as equal to each other as Reality is.

God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten (ONLY begotten) son, to die so that man (in the plural) shall not perish but have everlasting life .

Nobody is begotten to God, in complete perfection, as Jesus is. Not me, not you, not Reality.

But we got life bab
Still, plenty of sins for everyone to have revisited when the time comes. It's just as well the indisputable truth comes mirroring. It is a benefit.

Come the day im staring in an unfaded mirror, I'll hold your hand Rick and you can tell me you're glad to see me change.
 
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Then maybe just glad to see me.

Be it on earth ...
 
RickShafer

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Why compare me with you Gandhi?
Who's comparing?
I told you what the Holy Spirit said by inspiration through the Apostle Paul.
It was such an ancient writing but it was so important that God had it preserved.
See how many copies and parts of the N.T. have survived; verses other ancient writings, such as
Homer's "Iliad and Odyssey". - (research how the N.T. has survived exactly intact)
God's word's and thoughts are so important that He preserved them.....not for His good humor; but that
souls would find the truth that is in them.
Has it occurred to you that I love you enough to show you He means what He says?
This isn't between you and me; it's simply His word I'm showing you,- the words of Life.
 
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Rick, I understand.

But so you know me a little better, and hopefully so we rather act as friends than at odds, I want to give you what I feel

As you know, our life is afforded to us by no actions of our own, but rather by Jesus death.

So that no man can boast.

Now to save us from 'turmoil', what is it that we need?

Well, it is acting in love, is it not?

A law of the world is that argument begets argument. And at some point, strife needs to stop.

So if I say 'let's not argue towards each other', that saves us from our own self created affliction.

What I meant in my post was simply that.

One day we'll know the whole truth and there'll be no need for any of this.

So why create a need for it now?

That's all I'm saying.

Reality is as valuable to God as you or me.

So when the time comes, the three of us can bow down with arms wrapped around each other saying with a wide open mouth 'ahh, now I see'

Be it on earth as it is in heaven.

I crave togetherness and peace, not an argument.

Paul, in his revelation, realised the danger of over zealousness of 'requirements' and casting anyone out by perception.
 
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One of the parts i remember well is where Paul basically says 'Ahh, what a great thing Jesus has done. Taking away guilt and condemnation. It's like a heavy burden lifted'. And Paul realised the oneness of humanity, whether Jew, Gentile, or anything else. It was his great joy to lighten the load of others. And His teachings certainly do that.

He speaks of the change men undertake after death, the revealing of things in completeness.

'For i prophesy in part'.
 
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I understand Gandhi.....believe me I do.
But Paul was sent to deliver good news was he not?
And the disciples were sent with 'the gospel' - good news, were they not?
Every one of them was killed, except John who they tried to boil in oil.
Do you see a nonsequitur here?
Do you recognize something that doesn't fit?
Answer me back why the news of Jesus was met with murder.
 
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Grandpa said:
I don't like the condemnation you are trying to put Gods Saved People under. If you think you are any more holy or any more sinless than anyone else you are sadly mistaken. There is a reason why God came in the flesh to dwell amongst us. We have a really big problem that only He can solve. Thank You Jesus...
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I've often wondered if any of these people get any sleep at night, as they all seem stressed and carrying heavy loads. I see it constantly here in the forums.

Jesus says....

Matthew 11:28-30: "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”


I must admit, when you hear these same comments so often it's like that other spirit trying to chain you back up.

We're not of this world, so we don't desire to live a life of sin. We want to live a life pleasing to God, in obedience. We're not perfect, so we will occasionally fail.

Another THANK YOU JESUS :D
 
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Mediate

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I dont disagree Rick. But actions speak louder than words do.

Words are powerful. Thats why Jesus comes with a double edged sword.

Trust me, even me, and you, will be on one end of it for some reason or another.

Im glad for that.

It's betrer to befriend a person than deny them friendship unless they conform.
 
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The thing is, Jesus wields his sword with a good heart.

Rudeness does not have part in him.
 
RickShafer

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But Gandhi......I love you with all I can muster.....
And I understand about the two edged sword-(which can divide bone from marrow)......
But just answer me - personafide evil or conjured up?
Just answer me that.
 
Red33

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Skinski7 said:
The usual straw man example strikes again I see.

Any person who teaches that you can actually commit a willful transgression and not surely die is a liar. If they are teaching that a Christian CAN sin but they will not be condemned because "Jesus already paid the penatly" or the Christian is "cloaked with the imputed righteousness of Jesus" then they are teaching that grace is a license to sin.

Of course they would not put it so bluntly like I do and will dress their "CAN SIN" up with language like "shouldn't sin." Yet they will never say that a Christian CANNOT SIN lest they fall under condemnation and CANNOT is the OPPOSITE of CAN.

The statement that people will swallow a camel in order to strain out a gnat is so vividly true.
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If you were standing in front of me, I could willfully sin right now and strike your mouth. I would probably enjoy doing it because of some of the things that you said that have been contentious (Prov 18:6) and if afterwards, I was not convicted of wrong doing I would chalk it up to righteousness. However, if I came under conviction of wrong doing, I would apologize, ask for forgiveness and warn you not to provoke me again lest something more severe may take place. None of this would get God upset or cause me to lose my standing with God or even my fellowship with Him because He would understand why I did it. It is possible to be angry and sin not (Eph 4:26). I am not speaking to other sins of the flesh but just this one because I felt like it. Please. no one should put any 'likes' on it, but if you did like it, send me a PM.
 
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Red33 said:
If you were standing in front of me, I could willfully sin right now and strike your mouth. I would probably enjoy doing it because of some of the things that you said that have been contentious (Prov 18:6) and if afterwards, I was not convicted of wrong doing I would chalk it up to righteousness. However, if I came under conviction of wrong doing, I would apologize, ask for forgiveness and warn you not to provoke me again lest something more severe may take place. None of this would get God upset or cause me to lose my standing with God or even my fellowship with Him because He would understand why I did it. It is possible to be angry and sin not (Eph 4:26). I am not speaking to other sins of the flesh but just this one because I felt like it. Please. no one should put any 'likes' on it, but if you did like it, send me a PM.
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Very unpleasant indeed.

Today, i wrote something that later i realized need not of been said, i consider this may be your post of the same outcome today too.
 
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RickShafer said:
But Gandhi......I love you with all I can muster.....
And I understand about the two edged sword-(which can divide bone from marrow)......
But just answer me - personafide evil or conjured up?
Just answer me that.
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The answer to your question lies in this: 'The Kingdom of God is within us'.
 
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Red33 said:
If you were standing in front of me, I could willfully sin right now and strike your mouth. I would probably enjoy doing it because of some of the things that you said that have been contentious (Prov 18:6) and if afterwards, I was not convicted of wrong doing I would chalk it up to righteousness. However, if I came under conviction of wrong doing, I would apologize, ask for forgiveness and warn you not to provoke me again lest something more severe may take place. None of this would get God upset or cause me to lose my standing with God or even my fellowship with Him because He would understand why I did it. It is possible to be angry and sin not (Eph 4:26). I am not speaking to other sins of the flesh but just this one because I felt like it. Please. no one should put any 'likes' on it, but if you did like it, send me a PM.
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That one put me in a bad mood for a second too, Red.

I wonder if that is the point of the spirit of a post like that.

I wonder if he does it 'willfully'??
 
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