Famous Preachers With Infamous Views
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Oh, When did the law get changed? Lets excuse davids sin?
Then no one will be in heaven, Because we all have hated our brother at one time or another, and in Gods eyes, thats murder.
So we are all murderers..
oh, and just in case you forgot. If you brreak th eleast of the laws. You guilty of breaking the whole law. So the little white lie you told last week. In Gods eyes, that was no better than murder, it all would cause us damnation if not for grace, so lets not start puffing ourselves up as better than others hen we are not.
I am not saying this man was write, or even trying to defend him, I have no desire or need to defend him, I am speaking a truth, Non of us are any better than any of these men as far as earning salvation goes. So we should stop condemning them. we are no better than they are. (only in our own minds, and maybe in the minds of some others, but not in Gods eyes)
Calvin's words condemn himself. He said this years after he had Servetus, a godly man, murdered for daring to oppose his doctrine.
"Honor, glory, and riches shall be the reward of your pains; but above all, do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels, who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard."
"Honor, glory, and riches shall be the reward of your pains; but above all, do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels, who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard."
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yep. So everything he said is false. (rolls eyes)
Again, if this is true, Paul and David fit the same mold. and again, EVERYONE DID THE SAME THING.. so I take it we should ignore what they all said? None of them could speak truth because they commited or condoned murder in the name of God?
I guess we should stick to the bible, not calvanism, lutheranism, arminianism, etc etc.
Oh wait, I have said this many times,, hmmmm
Again, if this is true, Paul and David fit the same mold. and again, EVERYONE DID THE SAME THING.. so I take it we should ignore what they all said? None of them could speak truth because they commited or condoned murder in the name of God?
I guess we should stick to the bible, not calvanism, lutheranism, arminianism, etc etc.
Oh wait, I have said this many times,, hmmmm
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Yes, towards the end of his life. He let his frustration with Jews not recognising the Messiah get the best of him at times. I admire the man greatly, but certainly not in all areas of his life. Luther was a saint/sinner, just like you and me. And his later life antiSemitism isn't something to celebrate.
Here's a link to the King Institute at Stanford's archive of Dr. King's thesis. https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/...-living-early-christian-century-led-christian
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Not to mention, I've been a Lutheran for 32 years and I don't remember ever hearing an ill word spoken against Jews in my church or any other Lutheran church or gathering of Lutherans (the only reference has been the occasional mention by pastors or other members about Luther's antiSemitism towards the end of his life, reminding us that while we honour the man for how God's used him, we're not to follow him, but Jesus, who was Jewish). Other than that, I only really found out some Christians had issues with Jews when I joined CC.
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Given the drastic change in his views of the Jews, I have to wonder if there wasn't something medical/mental going on there that we do not know about? Reading how he supported and worried about them early in his life, it is hard to understand how such a drastic change occurred.
You are right though, I have never herd such comments from the Lutheran Church today, nor would I expect to.
You are right though, I have never herd such comments from the Lutheran Church today, nor would I expect to.
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He probably got that garbage from Norman Vincent Peal, he has said Peale was a good friend and a mentor.
"In 1984 Norman Vincent Peale was interviewed on the Phil Donahue program, said, "Its's not necessary to be born again. You have your way to God; I have mine. I found eternal peace in a Shinto shrine ...I've been to Shinto shrines, and God is everywhere:" Shocked by this, Phil Donahue responded, "But your're a Christian minister; yout're supposed to tell me that Christ is the way and the truth and the life, aren't you?" Peale replied. "Christ is one of the ways. God is everywhere." (Christian News, May 12 1997, 11.) Would anyone who holds to Christ being their Lord deny him in such a blatant manner? This is beyond question a horrible statement that reject's Christ's lordship. Donahue was shocked and rightly so, but the church was not. He recieved no backlash or correction for this. Peale was a universalist, believing that everyone is going to heaven as they believe in God, any god. That is not a Christian position."
Norman Vincient Peale
Peale denied the virgin birth, deity, resurrection, and vicarious satisfaction of Jesus Christ. I can't imagine how Graham could have been friends with him unless he shared his thinking!
"In 1984 Norman Vincent Peale was interviewed on the Phil Donahue program, said, "Its's not necessary to be born again. You have your way to God; I have mine. I found eternal peace in a Shinto shrine ...I've been to Shinto shrines, and God is everywhere:" Shocked by this, Phil Donahue responded, "But your're a Christian minister; yout're supposed to tell me that Christ is the way and the truth and the life, aren't you?" Peale replied. "Christ is one of the ways. God is everywhere." (Christian News, May 12 1997, 11.) Would anyone who holds to Christ being their Lord deny him in such a blatant manner? This is beyond question a horrible statement that reject's Christ's lordship. Donahue was shocked and rightly so, but the church was not. He recieved no backlash or correction for this. Peale was a universalist, believing that everyone is going to heaven as they believe in God, any god. That is not a Christian position."
Norman Vincient Peale
Peale denied the virgin birth, deity, resurrection, and vicarious satisfaction of Jesus Christ. I can't imagine how Graham could have been friends with him unless he shared his thinking!