Fighting/self-defense

[Bushido8000]

Best Christian option if you are still unsure? Take Brazilian Jiu Jitsu classes. You can make your attacker easily look like a fool without even hurting him, while having the option of breaking/dislocating every bone in his body if he is dumb enough to keep attacking (which almost never happens once they understand what the situation has turned into haha).

Best part about it is that size matters very little when you use BJJ

 

[4enlightment]

If some one tried to slice your son or daughters throat....and you sat there and watched on I would be appalled.

You know what is happening with ISIS???? Well.......

Well, Mary had seen her son getting persecuted but she had to bite her tongue while He was on the cross, because she was hoping for that He was telling the truth that He will rise again. The devil enter our thoughts and we listens to him about that there isn't going to be any resurrection at all, and we believe him , and so we take matters in our own hands and the devil turn to God and poke his tongue at him and say, "see, I still can get your children to listen to me over You."

 

[Deadtosin]

How can we claim to be God's hands on the earth and not be willing to get dirty in the face of fear and oppression?

 

[Deadtosin]

Best Christian option if you are still unsure? Take Brazilian Jiu Jitsu classes. You can make your attacker easily look like a fool without even hurting him, while having the option of breaking/dislocating every bone in his body if he is dumb enough to keep attacking (which almost never happens once they understand what the situation has turned into haha).

Best part about it is that size matters very little when you use BJJ

I love BJJ, trained in it for years. "close the distance/ never turn your back/ tuck your chin" It does however have it's flaws in the street. When more than one person may be involved- rolling on the ground leaves you very vulnerable.

 

[weakness]

Jesus told His disciples to take a sword with them for protection. We are to be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves. Don't start a confrontation but don't be a victim just of the sake of being a victim.

For the cause of Christ
Roger[/QUOTEg Jesus did not say this to justify everything he has spoken against elsewhere in his dialog, LK 22:36 ....and him that hath no sword ,let him but one...37 (reason for the sword)that it is written must yet be accomplished me, and he was reckoned among the transgressors; for the things concerning me have an end ( his death)38 And they said here are two swords, and he said unto them it is enough, What are two swords enough for ,surely not protection ,They are enough to fulfill that what is written concerning his death,49 and when they that were with him saw what would follow ,they said unto him should we smite with the sword? And one of them smote the servant of the high priest servants ear, And Jesus said suffer ye thus far And jesus healed the servant ear.Mt26:52 And Jesus said put up the sword into its place for all they that take up the sword shall perish with the sword, Don't you know that I can pray to the Father and he could give me twelve legions of angles?. That thus it must be fulfilled,John.. the cup that the Lord has given me shall I not drink it,Rev 13:10 He that kills with the sword must be killed with the sword,Herein is the patience and faith of the saints,

 

[4enlightment]

Since Adam has ate from the tree of knowing good and evil, and so we now know how the sweet taste of revenges feels as well as the others, but we truly love that feeling, it give us a rush that overwhelms us. I wonder can that feeling grow inside of us?

John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

 

[Deadtosin]

Since Adam has ate from the tree of knowing good and evil, and so we now know how the sweet taste of revenges feels as well as the others, but we truly love that feeling, it give us a rush that overwhelms us. I wonder can that feeling grow inside of us?

John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

why does everyone keep talking about vengeance?

 

[Ella85]

Well, Mary had seen her son getting persecuted but she had to bite her tongue while He was on the cross, because she was hoping for that He was telling the truth that He will rise again. The devil enter our thoughts and we listens to him about that there isn't going to be any resurrection at all, and we believe him , and so we take matters in our own hands and the devil turn to God and poke his tongue at him and say, "see, I still can get your children to listen to me over You."

She did that because she had no choice, as His death needed to be FULFILLED

 

[4enlightment]

why does everyone keep talking about vengeance?

Defending someone is when you use yourself as a shield to protect eventhough it might lead to death, but when you attack back or retaliate, that is call vengeance or taking matters in your own hands by force. It is okay to take the bullet for someone, but it is not okay to return it back in the same way that it has came from the one whom gave it.

 

[Jason0047]

Jason, say you have a rifle, and 50 yards away is a woman cowering down with her two children, a toddler and an infant. There hovering over them is a large man with a machete who just slaughtered 3 other people from their village. What do you do?

Depending on the situation, I would either pray or I would yell to these men to stop in the name of Jesus because Jesus loves you! In fact, I cannot find the source right now, but I heard a report from some believers where they were held at gun point. However, when they started to sing about Jesus, these men with guns then left. Granted, each situation is different, but we are to love and not to attack under this current dispensation. Trust me, I did not always believe that way. But the Scriptures have a way of talking to our heart about the Truth. You either want to accept what God's Word says or you won't want to accept it. Jesus never advocated violence and neither did any of the other apostles. For there were many times believers were persecuted for their faith. It mentions absolutely ZERO about any physical battles that they might have had in those persecutions. For surely if you are being persecuted for your faith, would you then not fight back? For your thinking outwardly or from a carnal perspective that God is not going to do good in this situation or any situation unless YOU do something so as to save yourself or others. I have news for you, my friend. Jesus is the One who saves. Not you, me, or the other guy down the street. For did not Jesus say to Peter that he could have called down like a whole ton of angels to protect him? In other words, Jesus did not need Peter's sword.

But what if, what if something bad happens because you did not take action in trying to use a weapon to make things right?
Well, did you ever read the story of Joseph and what he said to his brothers later on when he was in Egypt?

 

[Deadtosin]

Defending someone is when you use yourself as a shield to protect eventhough it might lead to death, but when you attack back or retaliate, that is call vengeance or taking matters in your own hands by force. It is okay to take the bullet for someone, but it is not okay to return it back in the same way that it has came from the one whom gave it.

That's not realistic brother. Even when I was 5 years old I knew that my mother would lay down her life to protect me from an intruder. The truth is though if she doesn't defeat him WE BOTH DIE. You can sacrifice yourself all you want, if you don't stop the assailant you aren't protecting anybody.

 

[4enlightment]

She did that because she had no choice, as His death needed to be FULFILLED

Yes, it is whatever God has will to happen, eventhough Pharaoh was made not to listened to Moses by God Himself, but it is what God desires to happen and that we have to put our trust in Him eventhough it might seem unpleasant, but that is call putting your life into God's hands. But we curse God when we do what pleases us, because it isn't what God desired. Jesus never had said to believe of His existence, but to believe or trust that He is telling you the truth that if someone slapped you on one cheek, offered to them the other as well because you know that there's a better place because Jesus has said so. So is there's anyone out there still think that they are perfect that they believe that they can still judges others imperfections?

 

[Deadtosin]

Depending on the situation, I would either pray or I would yell to these men to stop in the name of Jesus because Jesus loves you! In fact, I cannot find the source right now, but I heard a report from some believers where they were held at gun point. However, when they started to sing about Jesus, these men with guns then left. Granted, each situation is different, but we are to love and not to attack under this current dispensation. Trust me, I did not always believe that way. But the Scriptures have a way of talking to our heart about the Truth. You either want to accept what God's Word says or you won't want to accept it. Jesus never advocated violence and neither did any of the other apostles. For there were many times believers were persecuted for their faith. It mentions absolutely ZERO about any physical battles that they might have had in those persecutions. For surely if you are being persecuted for your faith, would you then not fight back? For your thinking outwardly or from a carnal perspective that God is not going to do good in this situation or any situation unless YOU do something so as to save yourself or others. I have news for you, my friend. Jesus is the One who saves. Not you, me, or the other guy down the street. For did not Jesus say to Peter that he could have called down like a whole ton of angels to protect him? In other words, Jesus did not need Peter's sword.

But what if, what if something bad happens because you did not take action in trying to use a weapon to make things right?
Well, did you ever read the story of Joseph and what he said to his brothers later on when he was in Egypt?

I know the story about singing praise, I agree with it. Standing before the antichrist offered the mark of the beast I would not fight. I believe there is a reason to stand strong for maybe the strong faith will encourage others. As a child I was nearly kidnapped twice and my father was violent. At age 5 I knew that it took a beast to stop a beast. You didn't just have to sacrifice yourself, you had to win. So I made a pact with God. You make sure there is a beast to protect me from beasts while I am young and when I am bigger I will become that beast for others. God held up His end of the bargain and blessed me to be in the position to learn some amazing martial arts. I have stopped many violent acts and yes on a few occasions I have used violence. Back in 06 I walked around the streets late at night hunting serial killers in PHX AZ. My grandmother and other christians were against it. Sounding much like you all. But on night two at around 1 AM we found a car running that fit the description parked in a poorly lit section of a side road facing a well lit street that ran alongside a highschool. The city was locked down before sundown during this time period (there were two serial killers the baseline rapist and the serial shooters) My cousin (bait) walked past the vehicle, they shifted it into drive and hit there lights, the driver saw me near the passenger door and took off, they got to the T but instead of going left or right did a U Turn with screeching tires and last minute swung to hit me in the road. I turned toward the car and they slammed on the brakes and I looked at the passengers eyes, he looked like "the baseline rapist" (turned baseline killer) minus the dreads (wig) he just stared at me like how did this happen,the tires turned and they took off down the road. The killings stopped. Mind you if you look up these killings it was on the corner of 26th st and Campbell. That is one block from 26th st and Indian school. Look where the attacks were occurring it was all around this area. Say whatever you want. God does not change. He wants the meek to be protected. I made a pact with God and I would be a whole lot more nervous about standing before God explaining why I let some innocent kid get butchered than I would about explaining that I just couldn't let that kid die like that. Why should the wicked torture a child?



The serial killers were killing people walking around or riding a bike alone late at night. That is how they had almost no witnesses and that is why it was plausible to find them. There were killings in small bunched up sections. Easy to discern.

 

[4enlightment]

That's not realistic brother. Even when I was 5 years old I knew that my mother would lay down her life to protect me from an intruder. The truth is though if she doesn't defeat him WE BOTH DIE. You can sacrifice yourself all you want, if you don't stop the assailant you aren't protecting anybody.

Yes, you might be able to stop someone that if the both of you all are at equal force, but what will you do if the assailant is an tornado that is coming towards your child? Knowing the martial arts will not do any good. Most likely you will use your body as a shield and that is realistic.

 

[Deadtosin]

Yes, you might be able to stop someone that if the both of you all are at equal force, but what will you do if the assailant is an tornado that is coming towards your child? Knowing the martial arts will not do any good. Most likely you will use your body as a shield and that is realistic.

No, I don't think my body would work against a tornado, we need a better plan but I get your point. That is true and I agree with that. If it comes down to it absolutely. But if the only way to protect the innocent is to lay hands on the wicked, so be it.

 

[Deadtosin]

For the record I can usually talk people out of violence and sometimes just the presence of someone who won't turn and walk away is enough to stop someone. I'm not suggesting that someone who is willing to bring violence automatically should be struck. God should always guide your every move, but I never rule out the willingness to go as far as the situation requires.

 

[Ella85]

For the record I can usually talk people out of violence and sometimes just the presence of someone who won't turn and walk away is enough to stop someone. I'm not suggesting that someone who is willing to bring violence automatically should be struck. God should always guide your every move, but I never rule out the willingness to go as far as the situation requires.

exactly.....

 

[Jason0047]

I know the story about singing praise, I agree with it. Standing before the antichrist offered the mark of the beast I would not fight. I believe there is a reason to stand strong for maybe the strong faith will encourage others. As a child I was nearly kidnapped twice and my father was violent. At age 5 I knew that it took a beast to stop a beast. You didn't just have to sacrifice yourself, you had to win. So I made a pact with God. You make sure there is a beast to protect me from beasts while I am young and when I am bigger I will become that beast for others. God held up His end of the bargain and blessed me to be in the position to learn some amazing martial arts. I have stopped many violent acts and yes on a few occasions I have used violence. Back in 06 I walked around the streets late at night hunting serial killers in PHX AZ. My grandmother and other christians were against it. Sounding much like you all. But on night two at around 1 AM we found a car running that fit the description parked in a poorly lit section of a side road facing a well lit street that ran alongside a highschool. The city was locked down before sundown during this time period (there were two serial killers the baseline rapist and the serial shooters) My cousin (bait) walked past the vehicle, they shifted it into drive and hit there lights, the driver saw me near the passenger door and took off, they got to the T but instead of going left or right did a U Turn with screeching tires and last minute swung to hit me in the road. I turned toward the car and they slammed on the brakes and I looked at the passengers eyes, he looked like "the baseline rapist" (turned baseline killer) minus the dreads (wig) he just stared at me like how did this happen,the tires turned and they took off down the road. The killings stopped. Mind you if you look up these killings it was on the corner of 26th st and Campbell. That is one block from 26th st and Indian school. Look where the attacks were occurring it was all around this area. Say whatever you want. God does not change. He wants the meek to be protected. I made a pact with God and I would be a whole lot more nervous about standing before God explaining why I let some innocent kid get butchered than I would about explaining that I just couldn't let that kid die like that. Why should the wicked torture a child?


The serial killers were killing people walking around or riding a bike alone late at night. That is how they had almost no witnesses and that is why it was plausible to find them. There were killings in small bunched up sections. Easy to discern.

Yes, but your story does not line up with any of the writings of Jesus and the apostles, though. They didn't advocate or approve of violence as a means of self defense under this current dispensation. In fact, we see the exact opposite. Turn the other cheek. Do good to those who despitefully use you. Pray for your enemies. The apostles were beaten and they didn't fight back. Jesus rebuked Peter for his violent act. Do not render evil for evil.

 

[Jason0047]

For Jesus can send down an entire legion of angels to save you. Angels have the power to destroy entire cities with fire. Your fists and or weapons are a joke compared to that kind of power, my friend.

 

[Deadtosin]

Yes, but your story does not line up with any of the writings of Jesus and the apostles, though. They didn't advocate or approve of violence as a means of self defense under this current dispensation. In fact, we see the exact opposite. Turn the other cheek. Do good to those who despitefully use you. Pray for your enemies. The apostles were beaten and they didn't fight back. Jesus rebuked Peter for his violent act. Do not render evil for evil.

slow down and read the differences. Turn the other cheek was about insult (again right cheek) that's a backhand. Do good to those who use you. We aren't talking about being used. Pray for your enemies. Yes indeed. The apostles and Jesus were beaten over religious oppression. I believe we could all go the same way. Peter was trying to stop Jesus' purpose. I am not talking an eye for an eye or a tooth for a tooth. I am not saying anything about punishing a man for doing wickedly. I am talking about removing his ability to harm others. We aren't talking pride. Insults, religious oppression, vengeance, punishment etc. Again strictly speaking about protecting the meek. P.S. that experience I had. It was God who took me to Phoenix for those 3 days. It was God who put it in my heart to go against the christian's who thought as you did, it was God who led me to the killers, it was God who delivered them in my hands and true enough it was God who left the situation in a way that required no violence at all. I was simply a willing servant to go where others would not and do what others disagreed with. In the end the killings stopped and I shed no blood.