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tkyles1009

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Happy Sabbath everyone!
It's finally that time a week again.

For all of my friends that don't keep the sabbath.
We're not saying we're saved by keeping it.
We keep it as a result of being delivered from sin.

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,[/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1 John 2:4[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]To my brethren that do keep the sabbath, share verses that solidify why we do.
God Bless
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p_rehbein

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God bless and enjoy your Sabbath............I'm surely looking forward to Sunday when I will gather with my church family in worship and praise of our Lord God!

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tkyles1009

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God bless and enjoy your Sabbath............I'm surely looking forward to Sunday when I will gather with my church family in worship and praise of our Lord God!

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I pray that you're abundantly blessed on this Sunday and every other day my friend
 
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Spokenpassage

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It would be appreciated and appropriate that if you want to post about the Sabbath, that you use the threads already made.

God bless.
 

p_rehbein

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It would be appreciated and appropriate that if you want to post about the Sabbath, that you use the threads already made.

God bless.
I suppose that would be true about ALL the various discussions here...........but I suspect it won't happen......
 

KohenMatt

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Have a blessed Sabbath, everyone. I pray that all of you find rest in whatever area of life you need it in. Whether physically, mentally, emotionally or spiritually, may God be your source of peace and may we all see how He is the answer to all of our struggles and trials. And may we not be content just to say that God is the answer and only mean it half-heartedly, but may that knowledge become real to us, and may it transform us and our lives.

Have an awesome Sabbath y'all, and for those who aren't celebrating it, have a great weekend or worship and intimacy with our Savior.

Shalom,
Matt
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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So you're calling all of us born again genuine Christians liars because you are mixed up in Sabbath legalism?



Happy Sabbath everyone!
It's finally that time a week again.

For all of my friends that don't keep the sabbath.
We're not saying we're saved by keeping it.
We keep it as a result of being delivered from sin.

Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
1 John 2:4

To my brethren that do keep the sabbath, share verses that solidify why we do.
God Bless
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KohenMatt

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Ummm, I don't think he was implying that by anything in his post. Don't look for an offense when none is given. Regardless, Sabbath blessings to you, and Sunday blessings to you as well!

Peace,
Matt
 
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Spokenpassage

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Ummm, I don't think he was implying that by anything in his post. Don't look for an offense when none is given. Regardless, Sabbath blessings to you, and Sunday blessings to you as well!

Peace,
Matt

It seems sure he was implying it in his post by the verse he used.
 
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chubbena

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So you're calling all of us born again genuine Christians liars because you are mixed up in Sabbath legalism?


Did Paul or the Hebrew writer suggest the content of the new covenant is different from that of the old? The Bereans examined the scriptures to see if what Paul said was true. Both the Jews and the Greek believed. So did the OT say the content of the covenant would be changed? Not at all. He spoke through Jeremiah that His Law will be put in the minds and hearts of the new covenant people. It's the way how the content is put into His people that changed. And what is the content? His law.
 
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Karraster

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Happy Sabbath everyone! It is a day to rest from work and depend on our Father completely to sustain us and we are free then to devote the day to worship of Him, our Creator. Think on Him, study His Words, what is He wanting you to understand today? Praise Him!! Acknowledge Him in all your ways and He will direct your paths,:)
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Indeed New Testament writers and Jesus Himself taught that the New Covenant was different from the old. They also had a great deal to say about Judaizers NONE of which was good.

The New Covenant is a very real theological framework in which the person and work of Christ are understood as completing and fulfilling the OT covenant. Hebrews asserts dominant image patterns identifying the New Testament covenant as “new” (Heb 8:8, 13; 12:24; 9:15) and “better” (Heb 7:22; 8:6) than the old covenant as it is final, permanent and once-for-all, as well as being secured and mediated by Christ instead of by human priests and the sacrifices they performed. In Hebrews 12 the author uses another allusion to Abel, this time contrasting him not with Cain but with Jesus himself: “And to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel” (Heb 12:24 NASB).

Other New Testament passages reinforce the motifs that reach their definitive expression in Hebrews declaring the new covenant to be “new” (Lk 22:20; 1 Cor 11:25; 2 Cor 3:6). By implication the Old Testament sign of the covenant, circumcision, gives way to communion as the sign of the new covenant (1 Cor 11:25).

Jesus Himself referred to the new convenant of which Jerimiah 31:31 speaks, by which our whole natures would be changed, and God’s law written on our hearts. By his use of the words “covenant” and “forgiveness of sins” in the same breath (26:28), Jesus interprets his mission against the backdrop of Jeremiah 31:31–34. “The time is coming,” Jeremiah proclaims, when the Lord will make a “new covenant.” That time has come, according to Jesus. In his death he inaugurates the new order of salvation.

When accused by the Pharisees of breaking the Sabbath law, Jesus did not point out that he was only breaking the oral tradition. Instead, he made the astounding claim that, just as King David and the priests were ‘above the law’ in certain respects, so he was not subject to the Sabbath law, but Lord over it (Luke 6:1–11; cf. Mark 2:23–28).

The pericope in Matthew 12:1–8 reinforces the point by virtue of its position, following Jesus’ call to the weary to find rest in him rather than in the Mosaic law (11:28–30).

In the light of this, Jesus’ taking authority over the Sabbath both wrests it from the legal framework in which it previously stood and realizes the rest which God’s people were always intended to enjoy.

In all three Synoptics, the subsequent miracle is an example of what Jesus’ lordship of the Sabbath will mean in practice: people delivered from the shadow of death and restored into the unblemished image of God.

The Sabbath only features in Paul’s writings negatively. For the Galatians to observe it as if they were still under the Mosaic Law rather than New Covenant moral law would be to descend into gospel-denying slavery (Gal. 4:9–11); for the Colossians to observe it as part of a syncretistic system would be equally fatal (Col. 2:16).

For the Mosaic Law belonged to an earlier era, and since the coming of Christ it is no longer binding (Col. 2:17). Even Sabbath observance ‘for the Lord’ was tolerated only for the sake of those whose faith was weak (Rom. 14:1–12). In short, those in Christ are beyond the jurisdiction of the Old Testament Mosaic Law which has been fulfilled in Jesus.

As God’s perfect human, Jesus lived the Sabbath day for God, releasing his fellow humans from bondage and striving for salvation under the law (e.g. Mosaic Law), bringing them into a new spiritual rebirth in which the moral law of God is written on their heart, bringing them into blessing, and at the last entering Himself into God’s rest.

Ultimately, as Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus made it possible for others to follow him into that rest. This means that the Christian’s task is no longer to keep the Sabbath (Jesus has done that already) as if they were still under the Mosaic Law but rather to believe in Christ and obey Him.

In its final setting, then, the fourth commandment is no longer a commandment for God’s people, but its intent remains. The ‘law of Christ’ anticipates rest by prescribing belief, but now rest has been realized and will have its fullest expression in the gathering of genuine Christians who will reign with the Lamb for ever in the new creation (Rev. 22:3–6).

And it was all good for centuries until someone made the mistake of asking a certain William Miller to speak in their church in 1831 which resulted in him making a false prophecy and a small group of people in denial who couldn't accept the fact that the false prophecy failed weaving ridiculous heresys together to try and "prove" that it actually had happened. Rachel Oakes Preston's arrival only got them more lost and in bondage and here we are today with SDA "evangelists" maligning God's Word on CC to "save" everyone by pulling them into their gross hermeneutical error of which a modern "Sabbath heresy" became the most pronounced.


Did Paul or the Hebrew writer suggest the content of the new covenant is different from that of the old? The Bereans examined the scriptures to see if what Paul said was true. Both the Jews and the Greek believed. So did the OT say the content of the covenant would be changed? Not at all. He spoke through Jeremiah that His Law will be put in the minds and hearts of the new covenant people. It's the way how the content is put into His people that changed. And what is the content? His law.
 
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chubbena

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Indeed New Testament writers and Jesus Himself taught that the New Covenant was different from the old. They also had a great deal to say about Judaizers NONE of which was good.

The New Covenant is a very real theological framework in which the person and work of Christ are understood as completing and fulfilling the OT covenant. Hebrews asserts dominant image patterns identifying the New Testament covenant as “new” (Heb 8:8, 13; 12:24; 9:15) and “better” (Heb 7:22; 8:6) than the old covenant as it is final, permanent and once-for-all, as well as being secured and mediated by Christ instead of by human priests and the sacrifices they performed. In Hebrews 12 the author uses another allusion to Abel, this time contrasting him not with Cain but with Jesus himself: “And to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel” (Heb 12:24 NASB).

Other New Testament passages reinforce the motifs that reach their definitive expression in Hebrews declaring the new covenant to be “new” (Lk 22:20; 1 Cor 11:25; 2 Cor 3:6). By implication the Old Testament sign of the covenant, circumcision, gives way to communion as the sign of the new covenant (1 Cor 11:25).

Jesus Himself referred to the new convenant of which Jerimiah 31:31 speaks, by which our whole natures would be changed, and God’s law written on our hearts. By his use of the words “covenant” and “forgiveness of sins” in the same breath (26:28), Jesus interprets his mission against the backdrop of Jeremiah 31:31–34. “The time is coming,” Jeremiah proclaims, when the Lord will make a “new covenant.” That time has come, according to Jesus. In his death he inaugurates the new order of salvation.

When accused by the Pharisees of breaking the Sabbath law, Jesus did not point out that he was only breaking the oral tradition. Instead, he made the astounding claim that, just as King David and the priests were ‘above the law’ in certain respects, so he was not subject to the Sabbath law, but Lord over it (Luke 6:1–11; cf. Mark 2:23–28).

The pericope in Matthew 12:1–8 reinforces the point by virtue of its position, following Jesus’ call to the weary to find rest in him rather than in the Mosaic law (11:28–30).

In the light of this, Jesus’ taking authority over the Sabbath both wrests it from the legal framework in which it previously stood and realizes the rest which God’s people were always intended to enjoy.

In all three Synoptics, the subsequent miracle is an example of what Jesus’ lordship of the Sabbath will mean in practice: people delivered from the shadow of death and restored into the unblemished image of God.

The Sabbath only features in Paul’s writings negatively. For the Galatians to observe it as if they were still under the Mosaic Law rather than New Covenant moral law would be to descend into gospel-denying slavery (Gal. 4:9–11); for the Colossians to observe it as part of a syncretistic system would be equally fatal (Col. 2:16).

For the Mosaic Law belonged to an earlier era, and since the coming of Christ it is no longer binding (Col. 2:17). Even Sabbath observance ‘for the Lord’ was tolerated only for the sake of those whose faith was weak (Rom. 14:1–12). In short, those in Christ are beyond the jurisdiction of the Old Testament Mosaic Law which has been fulfilled in Jesus.

As God’s perfect human, Jesus lived the Sabbath day for God, releasing his fellow humans from bondage and striving for salvation under the law (e.g. Mosaic Law), bringing them into a new spiritual rebirth in which the moral law of God is written on their heart, bringing them into blessing, and at the last entering Himself into God’s rest.

Ultimately, as Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus made it possible for others to follow him into that rest. This means that the Christian’s task is no longer to keep the Sabbath (Jesus has done that already) as if they were still under the Mosaic Law but rather to believe in Christ and obey Him.

In its final setting, then, the fourth commandment is no longer a commandment for God’s people, but its intent remains. The ‘law of Christ’ anticipates rest by prescribing belief, but now rest has been realized and will have its fullest expression in the gathering of genuine Christians who will reign with the Lamb for ever in the new creation (Rev. 22:3–6).

And it was all good for centuries until someone made the mistake of asking a certain William Miller to speak in their church in 1831 which resulted in him making a false prophecy and a small group of people in denial who couldn't accept the fact that the false prophecy failed weaving ridiculous heresys together to try and "prove" that it actually had happened. Rachel Oakes Preston's arrival only got them more lost and in bondage and here we are today with SDA "evangelists" maligning God's Word on CC to "save" everyone by pulling them into their gross hermeneutical error of which a modern "Sabbath heresy" became the most pronounced.
And Jesus teaches we could ignore Sabbath or do good on Sabbath? And Jesus teaches us to follow Him and rest in Him except Sabbath? What kind of reasoning is that?
 

Nautilus

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Well I have a job that requires me to work on Saturday, so Sunday it is.
 
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danschance

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And Jesus teaches we could ignore Sabbath or do good on Sabbath? And Jesus teaches us to follow Him and rest in Him except Sabbath? What kind of reasoning is that?
Jesus nailed the Mosaic laws, including the sabbath to the cross. Those who observe the sabbath are ignorant of what the New Testament teaches or spiritually blind to it.

14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;... 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Col 214,16-17
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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They are and it's a result of cult indoctrination in which they misinterpreted scripture twisting it to conform to their false teachers and false prophetess's "visions."

3 secret reasons why Seventh-day Adventists keep the sabbath

Cults like the SDA are worse than the Judaizers condemned in the New Testament, despite them also engaging in Judaizing behavior, because they actually fabricated heresy and then twisted scripture to conform to their fabrications.

Ellen G. White and The Seventh-Day Adventists (Part 1)

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." -2 Timothy 4:3-4.

^ That is what modern "Sabbath heresy" is all about.

https://www.learnthebible.org/is-the-sabbath-for-christians.html


Jesus nailed the Mosaic laws, including the sabbath to the cross. Those who observe the sabbath are ignorant of what the New Testament teaches or spiritually blind to it.
 
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chubbena

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I have been wondering why all this bitterness against the Sabbath until I read Jeremiah.
This is what the Lord Almighty says concerning the prophets:“I will make them eat bitter food and drink poisoned water, because from the prophets of Jerusalem ungodliness has spread throughout the land.” This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord.[SUP] [/SUP]They keep saying to those who despise me, ‘The Lord says: You will have peace.’ And to all who follow the stubbornness of their hearts they say, ‘No harm will come to you.’[SUP] [/SUP]But which of them has stood in the council of the Lord to see or to hear his word? Who has listened and heard his word? See, the storm of the Lord will burst out in wrath, a whirlwind swirling down on the heads of the wicked. The anger of the Lord will not turn back until he fully accomplishes the purposes of his heart. In days to come you will understand it clearly. I did not send these prophets, yet they have run with their message; I did not speak to them, yet they have prophesied. But if they had stood in my council, they would have proclaimed my words to my people and would have turned them from their evil ways and from their evil deeds.
 
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Spokenpassage

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If you claiming that not keeping the Sabbath effects God's favor with us, then you are stating that righteousness is attained by the law which is not true. You cannot earn favor by the works of your hands, that's religious.

You claim that you don't earn righteousness by law, yet you say that God has rejected us for not keeping the Sabbath. Do you understand the contradiction there? If you are righteous outside the law, then the law can't take God's grace and favor away from you.

Righteousness is attained by Jesus, not obedience.
 
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If you claiming that not keeping the Sabbath effects God's favor with us, then you are stating that righteousness is attained by the law which is not true. You cannot earn favor by the works of your hands, that's religious.

You claim that you don't earn righteousness by law, yet you say that God has rejected us for not keeping the Sabbath. Do you understand the contradiction there? If you are righteous outside the law, then the law can't take God's grace and favor away from you.

Righteousness is attained by Jesus, not obedience.
The Sabbath - Saturday - was part of law-keeping.

Under grace, New Testament believers are justified and seek after righteousness, by which the also seek to live in loving obedience to the One Who loved them; but it's different from being under law.

Blessings.
 
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Spokenpassage

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The Sabbath - Saturday - was part of law-keeping.

Under grace, New Testament believers are justified and seek after righteousness, by which the also seek to live in loving obedience to the One Who loved them; but it's different from being under law.

Blessings.
Yes. The Sabbath was part of the mosaic law which is not required today because Jesus was the end of the mosaic law. This doesn't mean we are to be disobedient, for we are under the law of Christ not the law of Moses. Christ is the end for righteousness by law.
 
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