FIRE BREATHING DRAGONS FACT OR FICTION

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FLYING FIRE BREATHING DRAGONS FACT OR FICTION

  • FACT

    Votes: 13 56.5%
  • FICTION

    Votes: 10 43.5%

  • Total voters
    23
  • Poll closed .
Oct 14, 2013
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Wow, that's fantastic ! It's been years since I studied the existence of dragons in the Scriptures, and it's very fascinating to say the least ! It would be too long to explain shortly what I discovered, but from what I read from the Scriptures:

The first occurrence of dragons happens in Genesis, not in Job, as in Hebrew, " taninim " means dragons, and doesn't mean in any way that commonly wrong translation " great whales " or " sea monsters ". It's written :

" And God created dragons , and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. " Genesis 1:21 ( KJV )

So God created the dragons the fifth day.

God created every species from a single couple male-female.
Adam and Eve were the first ancestors of humanity. Who were the first ancestors of dragons then ? And what was the name Adam gave them ?
As it's written Adam gave a name to all animals created by the Lord.
The first ancestor of dragons was Leviathan, the great dragon. Ever wondered why he is called
" the great dragon " ? It's because he is the first ancestor of dragons,
and he's not the only dragon living on earth, as for milleniums he breed a great army of dragons with his female counterpart called Rahab, and they are living mostly in the bottom of the ocean.

It's written in Isaiah 27:1 that "
In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea. "

So no, it's not " symbolic ", it's a dragon that is in the sea !

Psalm 104:24-25 confirms it's a real creature ! It's written :
" O Lord, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.
25 So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts.
26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein. "

The " great and wide sea wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts " is obviously a clear description of the Ocean ! And in that Ocean there go the ships ! And in that Ocean there is that leviathan ! Leviathan the great dragon lives in the Ocean !


Now, why the Lord would want to punish Leviathan as mentioned in Isaiah 27:1 ?
Is the Lord a cruel monster who would take pleasure in killing innocent animals for just the sake of killing just like many cruel men would do ? Of course No !
Ocean If the Lord wish to punish Leviathan right after He's coming back on earth, it's for a really big reason : Leviathan is that same ancient serpent which deceived Eve in the Garden of Eden, and it's mainly because of his betrayal and pact with Satan that we all greatly suffer today in this fallen world for millenniums, and that Jesus was crucified to save us from the power of darkness.
I already hear some people over there who would ask, yes, you : How is it possible that Leviathan would still be alive ? It's impossible ! It's been millenniums since the the fall from the Garden of Eden ! Well, Leviathan is not an ordinary animal, it's a supernatural one, and it's possessed by Satan. Everything is possible to God anyway.
If God wants Leviathan to live until He comes back on earth, so be it !

From Leviticus 16 and from Psalm 74:12-14 and from Ezekiel 29:3-5, and from Ezekiel 32:2-6, there's a clear description of how the Lord will capture and punish Leviathan the " crooked serpent " which deceived Eve and make humanity suffer ! And what he also represents. Leviathan is the living goat for Azazel ( a demon's name ); Jesus was the goat for the Lord.
Too long to explain, just study Leviticus 16 linked with all the quotes mentioned above,
out of any mainstream preconceived notions, like the mind of a pure innocent child who doesn't
hesitate to ask a lot of questions about everything !


And the serpent is indeed living in the bottom of the Ocean :
"And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them " Amos 9:3 ( KJV )
" He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea. " Micah 7:19 ( KJV )

If you understood Leviticus 16 and all its links with the following quotes, you would immediately understand the great implication here, when you know Leviathan is the future goat for Azazel at the end of time.

It's very interesting to note that in the new earth, there will be no more sea !
" And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. " Revelation 21:1 ( KJV )

I would have much more to say, but I'll let you do your own search.
Indeed, t
here's so much to investigate and discover about it !


Some believe that the scapegoat of Lev 16 represents Satan. But the Bible cannot and does not agree.

Instead, it says the scapegoat of Lev 16 shall bear all the iniquities of Israel:

Leviticus 16:21-22 21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: 22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

Scriptures specify Christ as the sin bearer:

KJV Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

1 Peter 2:24 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Because there is just no verse that says Satan will bear our sins, therefore the scapegoat represents Christ, NOT Satan.
 
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Some believe that the scapegoat of Lev 16 represents Satan. But the Bible cannot and does not agree.

Instead, it says the scapegoat of Lev 16 shall bear all the iniquities of Israel:

Leviticus 16:21-22 21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: 22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

Scriptures specify Christ as the sin bearer:

KJV Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

1 Peter 2:24 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Because there is just no verse that says Satan will bear our sins, therefore the scapegoat represents Christ, NOT Satan.
 
Mar 11, 2011
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Nothing wrong with talking about dragons for fun. I'm apologise for what I said earlier.
Np :) part of the works :cool:

Just as Our Father has many names, so does Satan/Death. Seeing as how Satan will be playing the role of instead-of-Christ, with the voice of the dragon, I just don't think people should take this so lightly.

I mean really, with transfiguration being one of the mystery's of the Bible; is it really that hard to picture Satan and his fallen angels as being like real dragons in times past? Some flying and others not, depending on their level of MoreNatural powers?

One of the things that it appears to stand out between the NT & the OT is that ALL of this stuff of mixing spirit beings with flesh beings appears to have ceased at the time of Christ in the flesh.

The process of ridding the earth of them is what the OT is about, in part.

I wonder where they are NOW? LOL only kidding ;) WE have been ALL forewarned, if one has a sincere interest :) (that freewill thing lol)
 
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Tintin

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No, no. Fair enough if when we're talking about Satan as being the dragon, we don't take it lightly. But if we're talking about dragons, as in the fairytale creatures or dinosaurs that led to the belief in dragons, I think that can be a fun topic.
 
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No, no. Fair enough if when we're talking about Satan as being the dragon, we don't take it lightly. But if we're talking about dragons, as in the fairytale creatures or dinosaurs that led to the belief in dragons, I think that can be a fun topic.
Though there are many False tales reguarding dragons, I don't think people are really wrapping their heads around the understanding of Nephillim, Geber and Giants.

And Satan/Death IS NOT coming as a dragon, that is why I underlined the word voice.

He WILL look like The Lamb of GOD, so he is coming as The Lamb, to DECEIVE! IF it were possible, THE WHOLE WORLD!

If one really wanted the bones to most of these creatures of times past; they would have to go to the deepest parts of the water basins; as that was the purpose of Noah's flood. :)
 
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From wikipedia: Draco (constellation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Draco is a constellation in the far northern sky. Its name is Latin for dragon. Draco is circumpolar (that is, never setting) for many observers in the northern hemisphere. It was one of the 48 constellations listed by the 2nd century astronomer Ptolemy, and remains one of the 88 modern constellations today. The north pole of the ecliptic is in Draco.

Dragons in Greek mythology that may have inspired the constellation's name include Ladon, the dragon who guarded the golden apples of the Hesperides. Hercules killed Ladon during his 12 labors; he was tasked with stealing the golden apples. The constellation of Hercules is depicted near Draco.

In Greco- Roman legend, Draco was a dragon killed by the goddess Minerva and tossed into the sky upon his defeat. The dragon was one of the Giant Titans, who battled the Olympic gods for ten years. As Minerva threw the dragon, it became twisted on itself and froze at the cold North Celestial Pole before it could right itself.

Sometimes, Draco is represented as the demon son of Gaia, Typhon.

Draco - LAWGIVER - Draco (lawgiver) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Draco (/ˈdreɪkoʊ/; Greek: Δράκων, Drakōn) (circa 7th century BC) was the first legislator of Athens in Ancient Greece. He replaced the prevailing system of oral law and blood feud by a written code to be enforced only by a court. Known for its harshness, draconian has come to refer to similarly unforgiving rules or laws.


Full Definition of DRACONIAN

1: of, relating to, or characteristic of Draco or the severe code of laws held to have been framed by him
2: cruel; also : severe <draconian littering fines>


Examples of DRACONIAN


  • The editorial criticizes the draconian measures being taken to control the spread of the disease.


Reference Link:Draconian - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

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The striding dragon of Babylon was made of molded brick with polychrome glaze and appeared along the side of the 'Processional Way' in ancient Babylon in 604-562 B.C. This Striding Snake Dragon of Marduk at one time decorated the Ishtar Gate which began the procession to the great temple of Marduk for about half a mile. The dragon is decorated in molded glazed bricks, with its scaly body of a dragon, head of a snake, hind feet claws of a large bird of prey, front paws of a lion and the tail of a deadly scorpion
 

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The question is did Flying Fire Breathing Dragons exist ? or is it made up.
Frankly, I am amazed to see that more than half the respondents to the poll think fire breathing dragons were possibly real. What should I read into that?
 
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Tintin

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I think the poll should have a third option. Dragons are fiction but dinosaurs are fact. Dragon legends were based off of storyteller's exaggerations regarding dinosaurs.
 

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Frankly, I am amazed to see that more than half the respondents to the poll think fire breathing dragons were possibly real. What should I read into that?
Most of us here on ChristianChat are fundamentalists,
otherwise we'd be on AtheistChat.com?

I don't know, but I don't recommend overthinking it.
 
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Bravewolfd

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Winged lizards that breathe fire and steal damsels do not exist. Dinosaurs do exist, but that is as close as you will get. I think the bible mentioned the devil taking the form of a dragon before, but they never existed as a common animal you'd see today. They are just something created from our imagination, just like all the other make believe monsters like minotaurs and mermaids.

(Off-Topic a bit, but I just want to say that we are not very creative when it comes to creating monsters. We just mash a bunch of animals together Ex: Manticore)
 

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I think the poll should have a third option. Dragons are fiction but dinosaurs are fact. Dragon legends were based off of storyteller's exaggerations regarding dinosaurs.
I disagree.

Before 1841, titanic reptiles, legendary or otherwise,
were simply always referred to as "dragons".

Then an egg-headed Darwinite came along and decided to assign
Greek nomenclature to what they assumed to be a new "discovery".
 

Huckleberry

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Winged lizards that breathe fire and steal damsels do not exist. Dinosaurs do exist, but that is as close as you will get.
No one is claiming that they exist today,
so your straw-man just blew away.

Some pteranodons had wingspans of over twenty feet.

Whether or not they could breath fire, I suspect they could
have swooped down and carried off damsels all day long.
 
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Bravewolfd

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Pteranodons are not dragons though
 
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There are animals with poison in there system . We have gas in our systems .

Could it be that they had a type of gas that when mixed with the enviroment chemicals outside creates fire.
 
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Job 41

18 By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.
19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.
20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.
21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.
 
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With God all things are possible why the acid in our stomachs not eat us from the inside yet powerful to digest ur foods ?
 
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But if we're talking about dragons, as in the fairytale creatures or dinosaurs that led to the belief in dragons, I think that can be a fun topic.
"Oh, yeah. Oooh, ahhh, that's how it always starts. Then later there's running and screaming." --Dr. Ian Malcolm, The Lost World: Jurassic Park (1997)

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DragonSlayer

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Wow, that's fantastic ! It's been years since I studied the existence of dragons in the Scriptures, and it's very fascinating to say the least ! It would be too long to explain shortly what I discovered, but from what I read from the Scriptures:

The first occurrence of dragons happens in Genesis, not in Job, as in Hebrew, " taninim " means dragons, and doesn't mean in any way that commonly wrong translation " great whales " or " sea monsters ". It's written :

" And God created dragons , and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. " Genesis 1:21 ( KJV )

So God created the dragons the fifth day.

God created every species from a single couple male-female.
Adam and Eve were the first ancestors of humanity. Who were the first ancestors of dragons then ? And what was the name Adam gave them ?
As it's written Adam gave a name to all animals created by the Lord.
The first ancestor of dragons was Leviathan, the great dragon. Ever wondered why he is called
" the great dragon " ? It's because he is the first ancestor of dragons,
and he's not the only dragon living on earth, as for milleniums he breed a great army of dragons with his female counterpart called Rahab, and they are living mostly in the bottom of the ocean.

It's written in Isaiah 27:1 that "
In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea. "

So no, it's not " symbolic ", it's a dragon that is in the sea !

Psalm 104:24-25 confirms it's a real creature ! It's written :
" O Lord, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.
25 So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts.
26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein. "

The " great and wide sea wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts " is obviously a clear description of the Ocean ! And in that Ocean there go the ships ! And in that Ocean there is that leviathan ! Leviathan the great dragon lives in the Ocean !


Now, why the Lord would want to punish Leviathan as mentioned in Isaiah 27:1 ?
Is the Lord a cruel monster who would take pleasure in killing innocent animals for just the sake of killing just like many cruel men would do ? Of course No !
Ocean If the Lord wish to punish Leviathan right after He's coming back on earth, it's for a really big reason : Leviathan is that same ancient serpent which deceived Eve in the Garden of Eden, and it's mainly because of his betrayal and pact with Satan that we all greatly suffer today in this fallen world for millenniums, and that Jesus was crucified to save us from the power of darkness.
I already hear some people over there who would ask, yes, you : How is it possible that Leviathan would still be alive ? It's impossible ! It's been millenniums since the the fall from the Garden of Eden ! Well, Leviathan is not an ordinary animal, it's a supernatural one, and it's possessed by Satan. Everything is possible to God anyway.
If God wants Leviathan to live until He comes back on earth, so be it !

From Leviticus 16 and from Psalm 74:12-14 and from Ezekiel 29:3-5, and from Ezekiel 32:2-6, there's a clear description of how the Lord will capture and punish Leviathan the " crooked serpent " which deceived Eve and make humanity suffer ! And what he also represents. Leviathan is the living goat for Azazel ( a demon's name ); Jesus was the goat for the Lord.
Too long to explain, just study Leviticus 16 linked with all the quotes mentioned above,
out of any mainstream preconceived notions, like the mind of a pure innocent child who doesn't
hesitate to ask a lot of questions about everything !


And the serpent is indeed living in the bottom of the Ocean :
"And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them " Amos 9:3 ( KJV )
" He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea. " Micah 7:19 ( KJV )

If you understood Leviticus 16 and all its links with the following quotes, you would immediately understand the great implication here, when you know Leviathan is the future goat for Azazel at the end of time.

It's very interesting to note that in the new earth, there will be no more sea !
" And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. " Revelation 21:1 ( KJV )

I would have much more to say, but I'll let you do your own search.
Indeed, t
here's so much to investigate and discover about it !

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The scape goat in leviticus 16 is not representing satan
There's two goats, one goat for the Lord, and one goat for Azazel, Jesus is the goat for the Lord,
Leviathan is the goat for Azazel !