Flesh

[homwardbound]

by not dying to the flesh where all sin has been condemned to and dealt with by Christ Jesus at the cross. Better put not reckoning thyself dead to sin Romans 6:11 is this the reason or what is the reason that we still sin is it because of the flesh nature? and if we are in the Spirit and cannot sinin the Spirit can we ever stay in the Spirit constant and all things are possible?

Interested in everyones thoughts concerniing this thanks in advance

 

[Blain]

Well even though we are saved we are still in trapped in the human body. However, even if we sin sometimes i believe we can truly become just as jesus was if we have that radical faith and love in him. I belive if anything is possible through christ then who is to say we cannot adapt his very nature, see how he sees, love as he loved. Have that fire in our eye's for the love and protection of all his children as his eyes burn as well.

 

[Abiding]

sure we can if we never want selfgratification lust of the eyes lust of the flesh
the pride of life.

get pass that and you can stay in the Spirit. Id advise prayer

 

[mark54]

by not dying to the flesh where all sin has been condemned to and dealt with by Christ Jesus at the cross. Better put not reckoning thyself dead to sin Romans 6:11 is this the reason or what is the reason that we still sin is it because of the flesh nature? and if we are in the Spirit and cannot sinin the Spirit can we ever stay in the Spirit constant and all things are possible?

Interested in everyones thoughts concerniing this thanks in advance

The battle is Spirit against flesh. Many make the mistake of believing it is flesh(self/natural effort) against flesh
I believe if more lived according to the pure doctrinal truth of Grace they would see far more victory than they do. But many are so busy striving to climb that mountain(law/personal goodness to be acceptable to God) they often don't see much victory, or move forward as they would like.


To me the Bible can be compared to a manual if you like, that gives us the pure doctrinal truth of Grace.
However, we are in bodies of weak flesh. And the temptation to follow after the flesh is huge. It sounds simple doesn't it. Just follow after the Spirit and we will walk as God wants us to walk, we have no fear of condemnation, and Christ stands before the Father as a permenant sacrifice for our shortcomings
The problem is, doctrinally it may sound simple, but in reality it is not. As mentioned, the temptation to err is huge, and at times we all do, some to a greater degree than others, and for a variety of reasons. And so we do not perfectly follow the manual.
In reality i think trouble comesnot when we have slipped up as it were, committed a wilfull sin, but when we do not quickly confess that sin and focus once again on Christ. For when we sin, and continue in that sin/dwell on that sin , we enter a very dark place indeed.

 

[Blain]

Well put mark:]

 

[hattiebod]

Yes, nicely put Mark. I think we are told we are not sinless...never will be here in our earthly life but, if we abide in Christ & He abides in us, we will be convicted of our sin. We will then have hope, through Him, of growing just a little bit more 'Çhrist-like'.

 

[mark54]

Yes, nicely put Mark. I think we are told we are not sinless...never will be here in our earthly life but, if we abide in Christ & He abides in us, we will be convicted of our sin. We will then have hope, through Him, of growing just a little bit more 'Çhrist-like'.

Hi Hattie
Well put. I think often we feel terrible when we are convicted of our sin(and we should grieve when we err) but that conviction proves the Holy Spirit's prescence in our lives, which in turn proves we are Christians.

 

[homwardbound]

Well even though we are saved we are still in trapped in the human body. However, even if we sin sometimes i believe we can truly become just as jesus was if we have that radical faith and love in him. I belive if anything is possible through christ then who is to say we cannot adapt his very nature, see how he sees, love as he loved. Have that fire in our eye's for the love and protection of all his children as his eyes burn as well.

WOW!!!! awesome and is truth and I think we would know, for if we get arrogant,proud, think we know and act as if we are better than others then we would kjnowour flesh has gotten in the way, so I remember in [h=3]Micah 6:8[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Thanks Blaine

 

[homwardbound]

sure we can if we never want selfgratification lust of the eyes lust of the flesh
the pride of life.

get pass that and you can stay in the Spirit. Id advise prayer

Thanks Abiding, so are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin here and now, and actually believe this to be true, and in order for this through belief can it ever become true day by day. Is this why Paul died daily to the flesh to purge his comscience of it and only be in praise to God thanking God for what God has (past tense) done alrerady for him and the rest of the world, just not all have received this because of unbelief. This is totally unnatural, and is only Spiritual

 

[Tommy4Christ]

by not dying to the flesh where all sin has been condemned to and dealt with by Christ Jesus at the cross. Better put not reckoning thyself dead to sin Romans 6:11 is this the reason or what is the reason that we still sin is it because of the flesh nature? and if we are in the Spirit and cannot sinin the Spirit can we ever stay in the Spirit constant and all things are possible?

Interested in everyones thoughts concerniing this thanks in advance

Its all about repentance and what it accomplishes in the life of a true convert. You do not have a sin nature born into you, and IF you continue to walk in the light and dark at the same time you are still in the dark! You are slave to whom you obey.

Remember, the soul who sins shall die, no such thing as a Carnal , double minded Christian, either you are walking in the light, set free from the bondages of sin, with a heart made pure through faith, by obeying the truth, that comes from repentance, or you are not, and still in bondage serving two masters, which is not a good place to be in!

Mat 6:23 But if your eye is evil, your whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

 

[Cobus]

I ask you all this..... Who saves us? From what? God saves us from evil. If it is less than that it would render God worthless and unable to win sin! But HE IS NOT unable! God is the HOLY GOD that saves us from evil to RESIDE IN HIM! And in HIM IS NO SIN...;.

God forgive these people, they know not what they say.... They make it as if not even YOU HOLY JESUS CHRIST can save a person from this WRETCHED FLESH that just CANNOT STOP SINNIG.... ACCORDING TO THEM....

But I know You Jesus.... You can even make STONES praise you if You want. Lord I know that if you QUIKEN flesh with Your HOLY SPIRIT, even that flesh is under YOUR MOVE! Every cell in that flesh is REMOVED from evil. DELIVERED 100%
God said.... DO NOT PUT NEW WINE IN OLD SACKS.... Do you think GOD PUT THE NEW MAN IN OLD FLESH? No He does not.... He puts a NEW SPIRIT IN A NEW FLESHLY BODY.... God said....BEHOLD EVERYTHING IS MADE NEW.... TO the likeness of JESUS... that means Holy perfect and withou sin.... NOTHING LESS.
As long as you sin, the old is still here... If you CANNOT sin the NEW IS HERE! Period. If you want me to proof with scripture, PLEASE ASK...
I hear some wants me banned for teaching perfection here on earth, but I did not speak the Words in Matthew 5, 1 John 1, 2, 3, 5 2 Peter, 1 Thes, 2 Cor, James, Genesis, and throughout the whole Bbile.... GOD DID. It is HIS Word not mine... God said be Holy for I am Holy, I did not say it... To be Holy is to be without sin. PERIOD. If yuo want to argue this GO ARGUE WITH GOD! He told you to be perfect not me!
I guess if He told you then HE will also give the MEANS to be Perfect, or otherwise He is not a God, but a TEASER! But he did do EVERYTHING and still do FINISH HIS WORK on people! No matter how you kick against the Truth, HE SHALL DO AS HE WISH FOREVER!... AND GOD WISH FOR US TO BE HOLY, PERFECT, WITHOUT SIN, and HIS CHILDREN..... RIGHT HERE ON EARTH!
One thing NO ONE ON CC can deny, is the LOVE with which Cobus type this. I think my love for you all is the only thing that did not get me banned. But let me say this... If you want me banned for teaching perfection on earth, you will have to ban Jesus as well, Jesus teaches that VERY clear in scripture. The reason you do not believe this, is you believe a lie... We will always be sinners..... You show me scripture that teach that we will ALWAYS BE SINNERS IN THIS FLESH, and I will show you the opposite in SCRIPTURE!
One question... Does God want us perfect here on earth or not? I say YES.... Matthew 5:48. Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[homwardbound]

The battle is Spirit against flesh. Many make the mistake of believing it is flesh(self/natural effort) against flesh
I believe if more lived according to the pure doctrinal truth of Grace they would see far more victory than they do. But many are so busy striving to climb that mountain(law/personal goodness to be acceptable to God) they often don't see much victory, or move forward as they would like.


To me the Bible can be compared to a manual if you like, that gives us the pure doctrinal truth of Grace.
However, we are in bodies of weak flesh. And the temptation to follow after the flesh is huge. It sounds simple doesn't it. Just follow after the Spirit and we will walk as God wants us to walk, we have no fear of condemnation, and Christ stands before the Father as a permenant sacrifice for our shortcomings
The problem is, doctrinally it may sound simple, but in reality it is not. As mentioned, the temptation to err is huge, and at times we all do, some to a greater degree than others, and for a variety of reasons. And so we do not perfectly follow the manual.
In reality i think trouble comesnot when we have slipped up as it were, committed a wilfull sin, but when we do not quickly confess that sin and focus once again on Christ. For when we sin, and continue in that sin/dwell on that sin , we enter a very dark place indeed.

So it is as like there is a picket line and we are on earths side here trying to cross over and the picketersare not letting us cross over we are at war with the flesh and Spirit. Jesus even said it before being crucified the Spirit our spirit is willing but the flesh is weak while he was in the garden praying never the less your will Father not mine. this was before the cross the death before tha new covenant took place and before the reception of the Holy Ghost and with fire.
So why are we on the picket line as if we have not crossed over, you believe right? So in Christ you have crossed over and have the Holy Ghost as protection 100% correct? Why is it so hard to not be dead to flesh,because once we are in Christ we are dead to sin (flesh) from Fathers vantage point perfected in his sight because of Christ Jesus, otherwise how could God who knows no sin live in us then? Therefore we purify ourselves even as we are already pure 1John 3:3 how do we do this belief that it is finished God by God did this for you, you and you, for the whole world, but like you saidman just keeps on with his own efforts and won't believe he is dead period, laways has to try and try and try his conscience never being purged from sin.
Remember Paul said I am crucified never the less I live. It is by the Holy Ghost that we live and again all things are possiblewhen will we believe what God has done he has completed his work and wants us to see this so that we can quit our works and thusjust be alive in him, rejoicing here and having by faith crossed over the picket line into his kingdom, learn all the truth while there being dead to the world, then get put back here as an ambassador representing the kingdom of heaven
When anyone is born again they are dead tomthe world, the flesh, and all sin, just most of us are not seeing this truth and how deep this truth is. You are complete in Christ the very day of belief, in the twinkling of an eye it is finished in you, you and you the day of belief.
Thank you

 

[mark54]

When anyone is born again they are dead tomthe world, the flesh, and all sin, just most of us are not seeing this truth and how deep this truth is.
Thank you

If while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does this mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed I prove that I am a lawbreaker
Gal2:16&17

Is a person seeking justification by faith in Christ born again?

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, nicely put Mark. I think we are told we are not sinless...never will be here in our earthly life but, if we abide in Christ & He abides in us, we will be convicted of our sin. We will then have hope, through Him, of growing just a little bit more 'Çhrist-like'.

As long as you have a conscience of sin as the jews did remided year after year by sacrificing animals and shedding their blood for the forgiveness of sins, that Father was never satisfied with the sacrifices of bulls and goats so when Christ came in the fullness of time to take away all sin John 1:29 the purpose was to purge their conscience from sin and come to life with no more sacrifice for sin. And the gentile was never given the law, only the first chosen were. We were given Faith throughPaul who through God gave it to him and he gave this to us the gentile. Any way try asking God to purge your conscience from rthe sin issue and see it as taken away even from you because you believe. Hebrews 10 talks about the conscience I spoke of
All in love to all from homwardbound

 

[homwardbound]

Its all about repentance and what it accomplishes in the life of a true convert. You do not have a sin nature born into you, and IF you continue to walk in the light and dark at the same time you are still in the dark! You are slave to whom you obey.

Remember, the soul who sins shall die, no such thing as a Carnal , double minded Christian, either you are walking in the light, set free from the bondages of sin, with a heart made pure through faith, by obeying the truth, that comes from repentance, or you are not, and still in bondage serving two masters, which is not a good place to be in!

Mat 6:23 But if your eye is evil, your whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

Yes Tommy I hear you, and all those that belie want this what you said to not sin, so Tommy you have mentioned this must be you are in the light or you are not, this is truth, and we all know this so Tommy are you always in the light yourself and if you are then please share how this can be always since all things are possible and if one asks it shall be done by Faith, but if there is a doubt then it is not done right? Therefore to me I see it by faith and this faith is in Christ Jesus that it is finished and done in me by Belief that he did it all for me for you and you and you. While we were yet sinners Christ died for us, then gave those that believe the gift of life. if this is true then he did take all sin away at the cross because if he did not then we could not receive life period for noone can be perfect in and of themselves, it is impossible for man but possible with God and today we are looking back at the cross where all sin has past tense been dealt with. The Anti-Christs of this world have added works in the flesh very well they have added to the Gospel. just as the Judaisers did to the Galatians using circumcision today the world is using works added to ones Faith therefore we dont enter into his rest as Father wants us to.
Love Homwardbound

 

[homwardbound]

I ask you all this..... Who saves us? From what? God saves us from evil. If it is less than that it would render God worthless and unable to win sin! But HE IS NOT unable! God is the HOLY GOD that saves us from evil to RESIDE IN HIM! And in HIM IS NO SIN...;.

God forgive these people, they know not what they say.... They make it as if not even YOU HOLY JESUS CHRIST can save a person from this WRETCHED FLESH that just CANNOT STOP SINNIG.... ACCORDING TO THEM....

But I know You Jesus.... You can even make STONES praise you if You want. Lord I know that if you QUIKEN flesh with Your HOLY SPIRIT, even that flesh is under YOUR MOVE! Every cell in that flesh is REMOVED from evil. DELIVERED 100%
God said.... DO NOT PUT NEW WINE IN OLD SACKS.... Do you think GOD PUT THE NEW MAN IN OLD FLESH? No He does not.... He puts a NEW SPIRIT IN A NEW FLESHLY BODY.... God said....BEHOLD EVERYTHING IS MADE NEW.... TO the likeness of JESUS... that means Holy perfect and withou sin.... NOTHING LESS.
As long as you sin, the old is still here... If you CANNOT sin the NEW IS HERE! Period. .[/QUOTE

Cobus what you said here above is 100% percent true, I know this myself and you said it, God said.... DO NOT PUT NEW WINE IN OLD SACKS.... Do you think GOD PUT THE NEW MAN IN OLD FLESH? No He does not.... He puts a NEW SPIRIT IN A NEW FLESHLY BODY.... God said....BEHOLD EVERYTHING IS MADE NEW.... TO the likeness of JESUS... that means Holy perfect and withou sin.... NOTHING LESS.
Cobus exactly this is what God has done for all that believe in him, and what God needs is for us that still have a conscience of sin need to see that God has already taken all sin away for them and gave this to them the day they first believed even if continued to sin for he lives in them teaching them right from wrong, I know because Father never left me and never forsook me as I was caught in my old sinful nature, not realizing at the time God already gave me the new nature, Father stayed with me loving me while I was still sinning, and I am not saying that I will never sin again I do not know the future, I can't turn one hair of my head black or white therefore I will stay in the present trusting God, caring for me, living in me because he put his new nature in me The first day of belief and then Father through the Holy Ghost worked it out in me until I saw and see what you have said, Father did this in me by FAith in him trusting him and now daily I walk in trust, knowing he loves me having my conscience purged from sin, not even knowing what sin is or was, For today I am too busy trusting. But understand this that on the first day of belief God comes to live in the that one that believes that desires to know him and allows free choice for all things are permissable in him but not all things are beneficial. This is where we grow in grace and through experience we learn what is beneficial and what is not, by free choice and not being under law we make the right choices growing in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ 1 John 3:3
[h=3]1 John 3:3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Do you see this, from the first day of belief God made us pure a new nature was out in us that day andwe are to learn tom walk by this new nature that God implanted in us via because of his Son who took all sin away died form us and in our place so that Father could live in us in the twinkling of an eye, made perfect in and of Christ Jesus, the Father sees each of us that believe through his Son as pefect from the first day of belief period, the sooner we see this the sooner we will forsake sin because our focus will no longer be on sin, it will be on God, too busy to think about sin, and if we do we think how rediculous it was when it had (past tense) its control of us through the flesh
Love you Cobus
Homwardbound

 

[homwardbound]

If while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does this mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed I prove that I am a lawbreaker
Gal2:16&17

Is a person seeking justification by faith in Christ born again?

As you said it if we seek to be justified in Christ, that is when it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners and I agree no that does not mean that Christ promotes sin. It means that I am in need when I see that I am a sinner, in need of a new life where there is no sin. This new life born again is in the Spirit of God, where there is no sin at all, because Christ condemned all sin to the flesh so that we can be alive in the Spirit of God the Father where no sin can ever be since all sin has been condemned to the flesh., All the more reason to start to reckon thyself [h=3]Romans 6:11[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

As a done issue seeing that the just shall by Faith, not law for the law is fuilled in by faith in God

you asked Is a person seeking justification by faith in Christ born again? absolutely and will come to terms and not sin anylonger being in the spirit continuously praising and thanking Father through Christ for this wonderful gift of life everlasting. Now I never know about the future of this no longer sin, but brother just stay in the present here and now being a citizen of heaven, not of this world any longer just in it as an ambassador representing the love joy peace and righteousness you have in the Holy Ghost

 

[mark54]

As you said it if we seek to be justified in Christ, that is when it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners and I agree no that does not mean that Christ promotes sin. It means that I am in need when I see that I am a sinner, in need of a new life where there is no sin. This new life born again is in the Spirit of God, where there is no sin at all, because Christ condemned all sin to the flesh so that we can be alive in the Spirit of God the Father where no sin can ever be since all sin has been condemned to the flesh., All the more reason to start to reckon thyself Romans 6:11

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

As a done issue seeing that the just shall by Faith, not law for the law is fuilled in by faith in God

you asked Is a person seeking justification by faith in Christ born again? absolutely and will come to terms and not sin anylonger being in the spirit continuously praising and thanking Father through Christ for this wonderful gift of life everlasting. Now I never know about the future of this no longer sin, but brother just stay in the present here and now being a citizen of heaven, not of this world any longer just in it as an ambassador representing the love joy peace and righteousness you have in the Holy Ghost

We agree, if a person follows after the Spirit they will not err/sin
But does a convert, without deviation always follow after the Holy Spirit?

 

[Kefa52]

Romans 6:10-11.....What scripture are you quoting?


10 For in light of the fact that He died, He died to sin once for all; but in light of the fact that He lives, He lives to God.
11 So, you too consider yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

 

[Kefa52]

Romans 8 13-15


13 for if you live according to the flesh, you are going to die. But if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you will live.

14 All those led by God’s Spirit are God’s sons.

15 For you did not receive a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry out, "•Abba, Father!"