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[homwardbound]

What is being repented?
What I mean is, what is any one person repenting?
Also, to whom are we repenting?

To God the Father of christ through Christ and his finished work
True repentance is what I explained first post # 56
there are lots of definitioins for repenting, if I do you wrong, not loving you as God sees you, then I would repent to you Change my mind on how I treated you and confess this to you
So to whom do I repent, one time I was in need to repent to my brother I had stolen from him and God put it upon my heart to repent to him confess and I did.
And brother I am not repenting to God I have repented to God, it is done just as Jesus yelled out it is finished at the cross and gave up the Ghost John 19:30then on the third day raised him back to life, where we are placed under a new cvovenant of love God's type 1 Cor 13 shed abroad in our hearts. This is what is done to every believer that does believe and will be shown this through the Holy Ghost that lives in them the very first day you believed Eph. 1:13
Love you man
Homwardbound

 

[homwardbound]

Cobus exactly this is what God has done for all that believe in him, and what God needs is for us that still have a conscience of sin need to see that God has already taken all sin away for them and gave this to them the day they first believed even if continued to sin for he lives in them teaching them right from wrong, I know because Father never left me and never forsook me as I was caught in my old sinful nature, not realizing at the time God already gave me the new nature, Father stayed with me loving me while I was still sinning, and I am not saying that I will never sin again I do not know the future, I can't turn one hair of my head black or white therefore I will stay in the present trusting God, caring for me, living in me because he put his new nature in me The first day of belief and then Father through the Holy Ghost worked it out in me until I saw and see what you have said, Father did this in me by FAith in him trusting him and now daily I walk in trust, knowing he loves me having my conscience purged from sin, not even knowing what sin is or was, For today I am too busy trusting. But understand this that on the first day of belief God comes to live in the that one that believes that desires to know him and allows free choice for all things are permissable in him but not all things are beneficial. This is where we grow in grace and through experience we learn what is beneficial and what is not, by free choice and not being under law we make the right choices growing in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ 1 John 3:3
1 John 3:3

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Do you see this, from the first day of belief God made us pure a new nature was out in us that day andwe are to learn tom walk by this new nature that God implanted in us via because of his Son who took all sin away died form us and in our place so that Father could live in us in the twinkling of an eye, made perfect in and of Christ Jesus, the Father sees each of us that believe through his Son as pefect from the first day of belief period, the sooner we see this the sooner we will forsake sin because our focus will no longer be on sin, it will be on God, too busy to think about sin, and if we do we think how rediculous it was when it had (past tense) its control of us through the flesh
Love you Cobus
Homwardbound

Well homeward, I used to like what i read what you had to say, bit now you are COMPLETELY wrong. Every man that has this HOPE in him.... Hope is not the Holy Spirit and not the FAITH that does not waver or fail....

If what you say here is true then there is too many scripture that are contradicting to this doctrine. NOWHERE in the bible is there a verse that says God looks at us THROUGH Jesus... that is teachings of SATAN! It is like we are LOCKED in sin and God cannot do anything about it. It is like saying God is too weak to save us from sin.

You are wrong my friend.... Abiut the sin forgiving thing.... God only forgive a sin ONCE.... AFTER you died it off. God is not like us to learn how to forgive.... HE KNOWS HOW! And God knows when you will NEVER commit a particular sin again... Because HE is the ONE that gives you victory, and ruling over that sin....

Homy, you are way off scripture with your doctrine. If your focus is not on sin, IT IS STILL YOUR FOCUS,,,, when you are MOVED by the Holy Spirit, your focus does not exist any-more... And I love you too Homy, but you have not considered my teaching YET....

Sin is NO part of the NEW ME! NONE.... God does not have to forsake or not forsake me.... I AM IN HIM! And He CANNOT forsake HIMSELF... Get this.... SIN IS REMOVED, as far as the east is of the west.... For all NEW CREATURES in Christ.... IN Christ, not on the OTHER SIDE OF CHRIST.... IN CHRIST, IN GOD!!!!!

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Thank you Cobus and I am so sorry that you do not understand the mystery since the foundation of the world, and as long as youare seeking and or found Christ andarein him and he in you and you are secure, not under bondage any longer Haleluah, thre truth has thus set you free in Christ not self.
Brother what I wrote is truth and I am free in him. What you write is truth as well and it appears you are free in Christ as well. the works you talk about are nothing more than a by-product of faith in him. And you continue to come back as if the people here are not in him using scripture to convict whether you mean this or not I do not know but GOD does know and God and I just love you regardless of your motive.
I remember what God said to me in Romans 14 whole chapter, now if I am wrong or you are God who has recieved us is able to starighten us both out therefore I will not judge or despise, for God is able to make us stand and this is through his type of love that fullfills all the work scripture you continue to point out 1 Cor 13this is the Love the greatest commandment of all LOVE.

 

[homwardbound]

It is important to keep the Day of Atonement to ask for forgiveness of your sin once a year,fasting and praying. forgiveness is a 4 step process, remorse, confession, restitution and change

Was not the day of atonement a yearly sacrifice of an animal and shedding of blood for the sins of the people?

 

[Abiding]

Reading the thread i get the idea alot of people think sin is merely a choice
and only done for pleasure. It was said "have your cake and eat it too"
And all it takes is a real repentance and turn from sin.

My experience in life tells me we can do a whitewash without all that much effort.
But what is romans 7 about? Heres a person chasing their tail without any results.

Sin runs deeper than just a choice to have pleasure for a season. I presume
thats why God said in one place "destroyed for a lack of knowledge" and in another
place "grow in grace and knowledge" and in another place "dont forget a promise;
whereby we escape the worlds lust and take on His image"

Sin is much deeper than just "our choice" thats really Pharisee thinking.

 

[mark54]

From verse 7 onwards of Rom 7 it is all about the result of a person being under the law, but Paul is keen to stress in verse 13 that the law itself is Holy, Righteous and good.

 

[homwardbound]

Reading the thread i get the idea alot of people think sin is merely a choice
and only done for pleasure. It was said "have your cake and eat it too"
And all it takes is a real repentance and turn from sin.

My experience in life tells me we can do a whitewash without all that much effort.
But what is romans 7 about? Heres a person chasing their tail without any results.

Sin runs deeper than just a choice to have pleasure for a season. I presume
thats why God said in one place "destroyed for a lack of knowledge" and in another
place "grow in grace and knowledge" and in another place "dont forget a promise;
whereby we escape the worlds lust and take on His image"

Sin is much deeper than just "our choice" thats really Pharisee thinking.

Yes we are born with the propensity to sin born in the flesh captive to sin from the body the flesh and this so deep and at puberty is where one becomes out of control trying to learn control from the flesh that has no life in need of being born again as Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3 then humbled back to a child before puberty ever took place, having the love of God shed abroad in our hearts and by this love God's type we are set free in God for there is no law against love 1 Cor 13
Thanks for the post abiding

 

[homwardbound]

From verse 7 onwards of Rom 7 it is all about the result of a person being under the law, but Paul is keen to stress in verse 13 that the law itself is Holy, Righteous and good.

Absolutely Mark but when it flows through the flesh it is weak and cannot obey it, and as well Christ condemned all sin to the flesh therefore no flesh in Fathers sight will ever please him. Another truth why one needs born again from Father through Son to be alive in the Spirit for God can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth via the new you born in the Spirit of God

 

[Cobus]

Reading the thread i get the idea alot of people think sin is merely a choice
and only done for pleasure. It was said "have your cake and eat it too"
And all it takes is a real repentance and turn from sin.

My experience in life tells me we can do a whitewash without all that much effort.
But what is romans 7 about? Heres a person chasing their tail without any results.

Sin runs deeper than just a choice to have pleasure for a season. I presume
thats why God said in one place "destroyed for a lack of knowledge" and in another
place "grow in grace and knowledge" and in another place "dont forget a promise;
whereby we escape the worlds lust and take on His image"

Sin is much deeper than just "our choice" thats really Pharisee thinking.

Abiding, did Jesus not say…pick up your cross and follow me…. You are so right, it is not ONE choice, it is a RAOD we walk… And that road we walk CARRYING a cross to HANG THE OLD MAN TO THE CROSS…. Some think it is easy, but the flesh gives a good fight. The one thing I comfort myself with, God says…. That the old body is crucified…. So that gives me hope that it is possible to let the old man die… It is verses like these that keeps me going, and gives me hope and trust in Father that He will complete me.

That is why I hate when people preach negetive and old man cannot die… It takes hope and faith away! God says we should ENCOURAGE eachother, not discurrage.

I had a choice today, I could come to this laptop and waste time on ugly things, or I could login to CC and seek Truth and fellowship in Truth for GROWTH. That is what I chose, and sharing God’s Word we ALL benefit. God loves it and Satan hates it. The old Cobus is groaning in death breaths, and the New Cobus is coming nearer. See my friend, when we aim to walk after Jesus, we make commitment decisions all the time.

Choices becomes easier when you have FELLOWSHIP. Imagine how hard it has to be for me. Just for one minute try to see my life and the opposition I face MOST OF THE DAYS AND TIME…. There is not many fellowship for me, because I have so different views than most people, And no matter if I am right or wrong, I love people. And I did not used too!

I was a baddy, and I did not accept defeat. IF you win me in a fight, your car would propably feel my pain. But something we all know is God, is changing my heart. Today I could easely be the least in ANY situation. My wife is amazed some days. She would even tell me… Hubby, you surprise me some days… And if nobody knows a perfect person I do, I am married to one. She is an ANGEL. Everybody says so, yet she makes them feel not so good about themselves that she is actually not very popular. But that is a deep and long conversation.
People do not like spotless people, just as Jesus said… if the world loves you… And HE said… everyone that follows Him WILL be persecued, in some way ot another. Paul was destined to receive the worst, but ALL will receive some.

May we all please the Lord with our life’s choices, SOON!

 

[hattiebod]

Well even though we are saved we are still in trapped in the human body. However, even if we sin sometimes i believe we can truly become just as jesus was if we have that radical faith and love in him. I belive if anything is possible through christ then who is to say we cannot adapt his very nature, see how he sees, love as he loved. Have that fire in our eye's for the love and protection of all his children as his eyes burn as well.

We are trapped in the human body and we will not be in our new sinless bodies until we go home to be with Him. I understand that until then, despite being 'safe' in Christ we are still sinners and can never be like Christ. There is no man, no matter how Godly who can be as Christ, they can grow in Christ-likeness, but we remain in our sinful bodies.

 

[crosspreacher]

Yes, we can stay in the Spirit as long as we can fight the flesh. It is a fight. Apostle Paul gave example of it. 1 Timothy ch 6

 

[homwardbound]

We are trapped in the human body and we will not be in our new sinless bodies until we go home to be with Him. I understand that until then, despite being 'safe' in Christ we are still sinners and can never be like Christ. There is no man, no matter how Godly who can be as Christ, they can grow in Christ-likeness, but we remain in our sinful bodies.

ONE WILL CONTINUE IN SIN FROM TIME TO TIME AS HIS FLESHLY NATURE POPS UP, THINKING HE IS SOMEBODY, PROUD OR BOASTFUL, ACTING AS IF HE IS SPECIAL, BETTER THAN HIS NEIGHBOR AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

BUT ONCE ONE RECKONS THEMSELVE DEAD TO SIN THEIR ORIGINAL SINFUL NATURE FLESH (ROMANS 6:11) BUT READ FROM 6:1 ON TO 11. YOU BY THE OPERATION OF GOD THE FATHER GUESS WHAT GOD WHOM YOU GAVE FULL CONTROL OF YOU DOES HE PERFORMS GOD'S LOVE THROUGH YOU SO YOU CAN REST IN HIM AS HEBREWS 3 AND 4 DESCRIBE TOI ENTER HIS REST AS HE HAS RESTED SINCE THE FOUNDATION OF THIS WORLD

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, we can stay in the Spirit as long as we can fight the flesh. It is a fight. Apostle Paul gave example of it. 1 Timothy ch 6

BUT BY BELIEF WE CAN HERE AND NOW BE DEAD TO THE FLESH ROMANS 6:11 BY BELIEF

 

[JLHillsSr]

To God the Father of christ through Christ and his finished work
True repentance is what I explained first post # 56
there are lots of definitioins for repenting, if I do you wrong, not loving you as God sees you, then I would repent to you Change my mind on how I treated you and confess this to you
So to whom do I repent, one time I was in need to repent to my brother I had stolen from him and God put it upon my heart to repent to him confess and I did.
And brother I am not repenting to God I have repented to God, it is done just as Jesus yelled out it is finished at the cross and gave up the Ghost John 19:30then on the third day raised him back to life, where we are placed under a new cvovenant of love God's type 1 Cor 13 shed abroad in our hearts. This is what is done to every believer that does believe and will be shown this through the Holy Ghost that lives in them the very first day you believed Eph. 1:13
Love you man
Homwardbound

The confession is of iniquity and must always be given to God in silence.

 

[Cobus]

We are trapped in the human body and we will not be in our new sinless bodies until we go home to be with Him. I understand that until then, despite being 'safe' in Christ we are still sinners and can never be like Christ. There is no man, no matter how Godly who can be as Christ, they can grow in Christ-likeness, but we remain in our sinful bodies.

Scripture PLEASE show us the Scripture that will cnfirm this... Or did God lie when HE SAID HE makes ALL His children to the likeness and FULNESS of Christ. Right here on earth HE SAYS! Ar we trapped in sin? Are we so trapped in human bodies that NO EVEN GOD CAN SAVE US FROM SIN? We will ALWAYS be sinners as long as we are on this world.... Yet the Bbile says this.... And for once in your search to God's Truth look who is the people that ALWAYS will sin, THEY ARE NOT GOD'S children...

1 John 5... We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jn 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
Do you see the difference.... One group DOES NOT SIN! But then God said they ARE NOT OF TE WORLD, Just AS JESUS IS NOT OF THE WORLD....

I know God's children does not sin, I do, I AM NOT YET God's child, BUT i have hope, at least i know his children does not sin!

 

[homwardbound]

The confession is of iniquity and must always be given to God in silence.

Yes he who knows and does his prayers in silence and not as the hippocrites do will openly reward you
thank you for the reminder for God that knows all secrets

 

[homwardbound]

Scripture PLEASE show us the Scripture that will cnfirm this... Or did God lie when HE SAID HE makes ALL His children to the likeness and FULNESS of Christ. Right here on earth HE SAYS! Ar we trapped in sin? Are we so trapped in human bodies that NO EVEN GOD CAN SAVE US FROM SIN? We will ALWAYS be sinners as long as we are on this world.... Yet the Bbile says this.... And for once in your search to God's Truth look who is the people that ALWAYS will sin, THEY ARE NOT GOD'S children...

1 John 5... We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jn 5:19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
Do you see the difference.... One group DOES NOT SIN! But then God said they ARE NOT OF TE WORLD, Just AS JESUS IS NOT OF THE WORLD....

I know God's children does not sin, I do, I AM NOT YET God's child, BUT i have hope, at least i know his children does not sin!

So Cobus you are on your way to understanding this truth that is Christ that does the work in you that does conform you to receive the Love of the Father and when you receive this Love then you will be complete in him, For the love of the Father is the fullfilment of the Law and this is the love of the Father 1 Cor. 13 and once , you have received this we will perofrm this being from the Father of christ. God's pure love is the fullfillment of the law. It is this simple by brother in Christ
LOVE from God and homwardbound

 

[peacefulbeliever]

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life.

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwelleth NO good thing: for to will is present with me; but to perform that which is good I find not. . . .

 

[JLHillsSr]

Eph 4:20 KJV - But ye have not so learned Christ;
Eph 4:21 KJV - If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

 

[homwardbound]

Eph 4:20 KJV - But ye have not so learned Christ;
Eph 4:21 KJV - If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

100% correct it is allin Jesus and through Jesus and none of me, you, or you and you it isthe love shed abroad in ones keart from God shown in 1 Cor 13 this type of love which is not of this world at all

 

[JLHillsSr]

Hbr 2:8 KJV - Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing [that is] not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Hbr 2:9 KJV - But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.