For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

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For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation

  • You must keep the Sabbath to be Saved

    Votes: 2 6.3%

  • Keeping the Sabbath has no bearing on your Salvation or standing with God

    Votes: 17 53.1%

  • I can’t answer it here, it’s complicated……

    Votes: 13 40.6%
  • Total voters
    32
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WomanLovesTX

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Let me ask of all of you a few questions.

1) Who came out of Egypt for the Exodus?
2) Was grace and faith needed for those who came out of Egypt for the Exodus?
3) When was the first weekly Sabbath for those who came out of Egypt for the Exodus?
4) When was the first High Sabbath for those who came out of Egypt for the Exodus?
5) We see being stoned to death outside the camp is the punishment for breaking the Sabbath within the "community" of those who came out of Egypt for the Exodus. There is no Sanhedrin now to carry a testimony against a transgressor, but God has a plan for the end of days for those of His people that refuse to obey Him. Do you know what that plan is?

I'll be back later.
 
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Pentecost happened on the first day of the week! The Church was born on the first day of the week! That doesn't make Sunday the Sabbath, it just tells you that after the resurrection of Jesus, the Sabbath is not emphasized.
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Pentecost is feast of weeks (Shavuot). It's in OT too does it mean the Sabbath was not emphasized in OT?
When a day is mentioned in connection with the appearances of the risen Lord Jesus, it is always the first day of the week. Look at the extremely important events that occurred in the life of the first followers of Christ on the first day of the week.
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Is it the first day of the week or the first of the week? Are they Sunday evening or Saturday evening? If it's Sunday evening, shouldn't sunday advocates do it on Sunday evening?
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

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If you were to ask does keeping the Sabbath save you then the answer would be an easy no. just as not killing does not save you. we are saved by faith in Gods promise to save through Jesus Christ.

however your question is does keeping the Sabbath "effect" salvation or standing before God. I will answer this with another question.

Does murdering or not murdering or committing adultery etc effect your salvation or standing with God?

The answer is the Same.
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You're really just talking out of both sides of your mouth. In essence you're saying that keeping the sabbath is necessary for salvation.
 
WomanLovesTX

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WomanLovesTX said:
Let me ask of all of you a few questions.

1) Who came out of Egypt for the Exodus?
2) Was grace and faith needed for those who came out of Egypt for the Exodus?
3) When was the first weekly Sabbath for those who came out of Egypt for the Exodus?
4) When was the first High Sabbath for those who came out of Egypt for the Exodus?
5) We see being stoned to death outside the camp is the punishment for breaking the Sabbath within the "community" of those who came out of Egypt for the Exodus. There is no Sanhedrin now to carry a testimony against a transgressor, but God has a plan for the end of days for those of His people that refuse to obey Him. Do you know what that plan is?

I'll be back later.
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1) All 12 Israelite tribes AND A Mixed Multitude. How many tribes were Jewish? Only one tribe was from Judah. Who are the Mixed Multitude? Non-Israelites.

2) Yes, grace and faith were both needed for the Israelites and the mixed multitude of non-Israelites. Yahweh gave the grace and the people exercised their faith in trusting that the Lamb's blood on the doorposts that the death angel would pass over and not kill their firstborn.

3) When was the first weekly Sabbath observed by all of these peoples? They killed the passover lamb the afternoon of Nisan 14th. They ate the lamb that night. The death angel passed over those who had placed the lamb's blood on their doorpost. Their bread was not cooked with leaven, because there was no time to let it rise and then bake it. They ate and carried with them unleavened bread. In Exodus 16 we find that a month later, the 15th of the second month (Because the Passover took place in the 14th of the first month on Yah's calendar.) that they cried for meat. Exo 16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God.

Exo 16:1 And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt.

Exo 16:5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.

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Nisan 17th was first Sabbath, but the covenant had not been given yet. The Covenant and the Ten Commandments would not be given until Pentecost day. But the first Sabbath commanded to keep was given before Pentecost and the Ten Commandments. Nisan 17th 1st Sabbath. Nisan 24 2nd Sabbath. Second month on the 1st day of the month was the 3rd Sabbath. Second month on the 8th day of the month was the 4th Sabbath. Second month on the 15th day of the month was the 5th Sabbath. The first day of the week, on the 16th was the Manna given. They picked it up each morning, with the exception of the 6th day, they picked up twice the needed amount because the next day. The 6th Sabbath was on the second month of the 22nd day. The 7th Sabbath was the 29th of the second month. Seven Sabbaths = 49 days plus 1 day (the first day of the week which was also the 1st day of the 3rd month) = Pentecost and the giving of the Ten Commandments.

With all that shown for the Manna Week (starting after the 15th of the 2nd month), you can count backwards to know when they left Egypt. It was the 4th day of the week. Same as in Creation week....Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

All of this explanation so that you can see how important the 4th day of the week is. It is the middle of the week and we know that Yeshua died on Nisan 14th around 3 p.m. Jerusalem time. Yeshua was in the grave before sunset on this day and for a literal 3 nights and a literal 3 days He was in the grave. His 72 hours would have concluded at sunset on the Sabbath evening. When the women came to His tomb early in the morning of the first day of the week Yeshua had already risen. There is absolutely no proof that He resurrected on the 1st day of the week. This is a myth the traditional mainstream christian churches have taught because they did not study the Feasts to know that at sunset on that 4th day of the week started a HIGH SABBATH (Nisan 15th). I was confused for many many years how could Jesus be in the grave from Friday sunset to Sunday morning and He fulfill prophecy? It was all because I had not been taught the Feast of the LORD (ie the front of the book.)

So the Feast of Unleavened Bread from instructions in Leviticus 23, started on Nisan 15th and ended Nisan 21st. Both the 15th and 21st are HIGH SABBATHS and it does not matter what day of the week they fall on, they are to be kept as the weekly Sabbath is to be kept.

4) When was the first HIGH SABBATH for those who came out Egypt? It would have begun at the Feast of Trumpets, 1st day of the 7th month.

5) See Revelations and the Great Hailstones. God will be the One throwing the stones at the Sabbath breakers and adulterers. Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

There were only three offenses that deserved the death penalty in the wilderness camp for the Israelites and the non-Israelites. Breaking the Sabbath, Adultery and cursing Father or Mother. Lying and stealing, did not carry the death penalty.

Num 15:32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
Num 15:33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
Num 15:34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
Num 15:35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
Num 15:36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

See Leviticus 20.

You have heard and read many times that - Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

God's commandments are to be the written on our hearts for this is the New Covenant. You are either a Jew, an Israelite, a grafted in Israelite, or adopted, or included as a sojourner or stranger who is to be counted as one of the House of Jacob/Israel. People, the end of days are here and the Messianic Kingdom is our hope and joy.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
You're really just talking out of both sides of your mouth. In essence you're saying that keeping the sabbath is necessary for salvation.
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I am not understanding why all these posts against anyone talking of obedience as a good thing. You don't have to fight so about anyone saying law keeping is as powerful as God, so it can be used for salvation. Yet you seem to put this in the mouth of anyone talking about obedience and then fight them about something they didn't say, or am I missing something?
 
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I'm just gonna be blunt, Sabbath keepers who place their faith in keeping it are sinners. Because you negate the work of the cross. You make it of no effect and say I do not need the cross I can keep the law. Liar and your father is satan the father of lies. You keep your tradition and throw aside the cross of Christ. You Heathen, repent and The God of mercy will show you grace. Or would you rather here depart from me you worker of iniquity for I never knew you. It faith in the cross and nothing else people.
 
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Kerry said:
I'm just gonna be blunt, Sabbath keepers who place their faith in keeping it are sinners. Because you negate the work of the cross. You make it of no effect and say I do not need the cross I can keep the law. Liar and your father is satan the father of lies. You keep your tradition and throw aside the cross of Christ. You Heathen, repent and The God of mercy will show you grace. Or would you rather here depart from me you worker of iniquity for I never knew you. It faith in the cross and nothing else people.
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Seems to me you are throwing away Jesus and keeping the cross....did you just get back from camp meeting down in Baton Rouge!?!?!
 
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RedTent said:
I am not understanding why all these posts against anyone talking of obedience as a good thing. You don't have to fight so about anyone saying law keeping is as powerful as God, so it can be used for salvation. Yet you seem to put this in the mouth of anyone talking about obedience and then fight them about something they didn't say, or am I missing something?
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Obedience to the wrong thing can cost you everything. You should consider what people say to you and not dismiss it outright. They are not trying to argue, quarrel and fight. They are trying to correct you so you will go to Heaven. I strongly believe you are in error teaching that we must obey the Sabbath when the New Testament says the exact opposite. You simply can not fill an old wine skin with new wine but this exactly what you are doing.

33“No one, after lighting a lamp, puts it away in a cellar nor under a basket, but on the lampstand, so that those who enter may see the light. 34“The eye is the lamp of your body; when your eye is clear, your whole body also is full of light; but when it is bad, your body also is full of darkness. 35“Then watch out that the light in you is not darkness.36“If therefore your whole body is full of light, with no dark part in it, it will be wholly illumined, as when the lamp illumines you with its rays.” Luke 11
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The Sabbath
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This relationship is our salvation
it is the passport to heaven

Newly weds must spend time together, the Sabbath is the sanctifying recreating day when we do that it is essential to our salvation and it enhances it.
The relationship with Jesus is our salvation.
 
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danschance

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2Thewaters said:
The Sabbath
is an intimate relationship with Jesus
This relationship is our salvation
it is the passport to heaven

Newly weds must spend time together, the Sabbath is the sanctifying recreating day when we do that it is essential to our salvation and it enhances it.
The relationship with Jesus is our salvation.
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Wow, did you just say you the Sabbath is essential to salvation? Then if that is true, salvation is not a free gift, it is something you add your own work to earn.

Talk about heresy... Man.
 
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KohenMatt said:
Simply put, does keeping the Sabbath have any effect on your salvation or standing before God?
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I am shocked and saddened that you are so easily mislead about salvation. Not a single apostle ever said you must keep the Sabbath to be saved, but by the poll question, it is clear that is exactly what you believe. If keeping the Sabbath is essential to be saved then why is not a single verse in the New Testament discussing that?
 
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danschance said:
Obedience to the wrong thing can cost you everything. You should consider what people say to you and not dismiss it outright. They are not trying to argue, quarrel and fight. They are trying to correct you so you will go to Heaven. I strongly believe you are in error teaching that we must obey the Sabbath when the New Testament says the exact opposite. You simply can not fill an old wine skin with new wine but this exactly what you are doing.
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Saying I believe in obedience as scripture tells us is right is not saying you MUST obey the Sabbath, in the first place. The new Testament does not say at any time not to obey the Sabbath,

If everyone died to self and became alive in Christ, there wouldn't be questions about obeying the command to rest from our labors on the Sabbath. Perhaps each person would do this in a bit different way, because love of God and love of others would be factored in, and God gives each a different life to live, but the idea of it being wrong to honor the Sabbath as a special day just would not enter in.
 
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To place faith in Christ is to obey the Sabbath. Consider Abraham, There was no law, yet His faith was accounted to him as righteousness. How does law out weigh that faith, Please explain.
 
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Kerry said:
To place faith in Christ is to obey the Sabbath. Consider Abraham, There was no law, yet His faith was accounted to him as righteousness. How does law out weigh that faith, Please explain.
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Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid....

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
 
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gotime said:
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid....

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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Gotime, which law, which statue and what ordinance, please explain.
 
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Maybe God blessed him because of the Sabbath, Well maybe not.
 
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Where was his faith and what was the object of his faith?
 
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