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DesiredHaven

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Here are the bunch of them for you and all you need to do is click on each one (numbers to the left of the word you want to know the definition of in the Greek NT)

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[/SUP]Idolatry, [SUP]G1495[/SUP] witchcraft, [SUP]G5331[/SUP] hatred, [SUP]G2189[/SUP]variance, [SUP]G2054[/SUP] emulations, [SUP]G2205[/SUP] wrath, [SUP]G2372[/SUP]strife, [SUP]G2052[/SUP] seditions, [SUP]G1370[/SUP] heresies, [SUP]G139

[/SUP]Envyings, [SUP]G5355[/SUP] murders, [SUP]G5408[/SUP] drunkenness, [SUP]G3178[/SUP]revellings, [SUP]G2970[/SUP] and [SUP]G2532[/SUP] such [SUP]G5125[/SUP] like: [SUP]G3664[/SUP] of the which [SUP]G3739[/SUP] I tell [SUP]G4302[/SUP][SUP]G0[/SUP] you [SUP]G5213[/SUP]before, [SUP]G4302[/SUP] as [SUP]G2531[/SUP] I have [SUP]G4277[/SUP][SUP]G0[/SUP] also [SUP]G2532[/SUP]told you in time past, [SUP]G4277[/SUP] that [SUP]G3754[/SUP] they which do [SUP]G4238[/SUP] such things [SUP]G5108[/SUP] shall [SUP]G2816[/SUP][SUP]G0[/SUP] not [SUP]G3756[/SUP]inherit [SUP]G2816[/SUP] the kingdom [SUP]G932[/SUP] of God. [SUP]G2316[/SUP]
 
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chidi4real

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#82
it is true that christians have left their duty to seek a way or solution of problems rather they are always engage discussing about homosexuality. Homosexuality is sin, it has been existing, and it cannot be radicate. The duty of christian is to keep praying souls who are going in wrong way than condemning them. If God judge us on our sins, who can stand before Him. Remember there are other sins people ignore that leads to hell as we think people into homosexuality. Love them and direct them to the right path. Many of them are ignorant of what they are doing while others are been molested, some are rape. Some fall into victims. U condemning them have you hear other part of their story or because u are privilege of what u are. some even learned it by so called brothers and sisters in the church or pastors. some christains are practising it secretly. please real believes wake up. Homosexuality is even in the church. I am saying the fact. I am victim of It. I wish to say more or preach to the churches what is going on now but where can i start. may God have mercy on us. This is the reason Bible says that the love of many shall wax cold, lovers of money, pleasure, material things, and so forth, than God. Where do u belong to?
If u love them pray for them.
 
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twotwo

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#83
I dont think Gods a homophobe. And im pretty much just saying Love everyone because Jesus loves you.
According to scientists: Whoever says he/she is not a Homo is a liar!

Indeed these scientists find out that all human beings are Homo sapiens!

Hence we can conclude without any doubt that God is not homophobe!
 

tribesman

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A word of warning needed. Those who practice what is abominable are not justified in their lifestyle since it is an abomination and all those who justify them becomes abominations too. Abominations don't go to heaven.

[h=3]Lev.18[/h][22] Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

[h=3]Lev.20[/h][13] If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
[h=3]Prov.17[/h][15] He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
 
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Monn,
You can help get a lot of your thinking on track by losing the idea of being a Christian as holding a ticket for an eventual ride to a location called, "Heaven." The Kingdom of God would better be translated, "the kin-dom of God." It is a relationship, not a destination. Jesus made that point crystal clear to the woman at the well.

A lot of people here like to talk about judging and judgment. Well, the Bible tells us that our futures beyond death will be determined by how we have treated other human beings... especially those we felt deserved some kind of judgment... or those we just didn't want to bother with. ("Lord, when did we see you naked, or hungry, or thirsty, or in jail?"..... "When you saw those around you in need (even caught in homosexuality), and either helped them, or you DIDN'T help them!")
 
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ember

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I dont think Gods a homophobe. And im pretty much just saying Love everyone because Jesus loves you.

well ok...but love can be a two edged sword...just like the Bible
 
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Sophia

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#87
I'm pretty sure that our job is to show love and forgiveness to the unsaved, showing them Christ,
and are to rebuke those who remain in sin while claiming Christ.

Rebuking the sin of an unsaved homosexual doesn't change their heart. Only the Holy Spirit can do that.

When looking at our position, we should recognise how Christ responded to the lost, opposed to how He responded to the proud religious. Gentle love to the unsaved. Tough love to the wayward brethren.
I would only rebuke a homosexual for that sin if he/she is trying to say that they can follow Christ while living in that sin. If they don't claim Christ to begin with, what good does changing their behaviour do?
 
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kaylagrl

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#88
GOD will still look at the heart even if a person tells another what GOD says GOD still knows their motive.
God does not accept sin,period. Now if what you are saying is someone is a homosexual but they feel it is wrong and they want to change then yes I agree with you.But if you think a person can remain in any sin,any sin and God will not judge them you are very mistaken. As to "God still knows their motive" I dont know what exactly you mean by that.Please explain further.
 
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kaylagrl

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I think we face a problematic dilemma when we say God and Jesus are one, yet we admit that Jesus said to love everyone, while our idea of God's wishes is to kill certain ones. A friend of mine wrote about this, and I quote part of his writing here.........

Imagine you are back in high school or college and the prettiest or most handsome person, the one who is intelligent and witty, outgoing, the one everyone wishes they could have as their boyfriend or girlfriend comes to you and says, “I want you to know that I really find you attractive, in fact, I love you. I love you so much, so deeply, it astonishes me. I want to be with you forever, you light up my life, you are the reason I exist.”

Wouldn’t that be just amazing? One of the reasons for the popularity of romantic comedies is that the boy/girl is in these circumstances and they end up with the one they so desire. Imagine spending your life with such a person who was absolutely devoted to you, who loved you with an undying love, who cared for you in ways you could not imagine or dream in your wildest dreams.

Now before you could respond with a “Yes” or a “Hallelujah, thank you Jesus!!” suppose they went on to say “But I also want you to know that if you will not love me in return I will make your life a living nightmare, a hell on earth. I will spread rumors and lies about you; I will trash your home. I will make it my life’s goal to punish you in every way possible if you won’t accept my love for you.”

Wouldn’t you go to the authorities and at a minimum get a restraining order on such a person? Sure you would. Who wants someone this obsessive to ruin their life? Then why is it that Christians tell essentially the same story with regard to the way God loves the world? We say God loves the world but if God’s love is spurned we will be punished with an everlasting punishment. Where can one take out a restraining order on this kind of a God? Job had trouble with this kind of a god and three times in the book of Job he threatens to file a lawsuit against God.

Sadly, most of what Christians think and believe about God is exactly the opposite of what Jesus believed and taught about his abba. Have you ever wondered how it is that the Bible says God could command genocide, attempt murder (Exodus 4:24), authorize the killing of innocent children, races and peoples, burn entire cities to the ground like Sodom and act like a terrorist all the while? Yet we accept such a God because whatever the Bible says about God must be true. God has the right to act however God wants because after all, God is God.

Today such a god has been put on trial. People no longer blindly accept that God can do anything God wants to do because God is God. Such an arbitrary deity is now seen as so totally different from Jesus that people who might have an affinity for Jesus can’t follow Him thinking he believed in this kind of a god. “Jesus Yes! God No!” is something I hear everywhere I go. If we do not accept these behaviors from our fellow human beings why do we accept them from God? If God looks more like Idi Amin or Saddam Hussein than Jesus, something has gone gravely wrong with our understanding and portrayal of the Maker of heaven and earth. Even when God looks more like the most benevolent leader, i.e. Abraham Lincoln, than God looks like Jesus, there is a problem.

The popular understanding of the relationship between Jesus and God looks more like a good cop/bad cop routine than the abba-child relationship we find in the Gospels. Muslims and Jews have rightly accused Christianity of tri-theism, a belief in three separate gods. The way we talk about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and their distinct ‘roles’, ‘attributes’ and ‘temporal manifestations’ lends itself to such critique. When we so differentiate the Father from the Son (and the Spirit), when God can kill and justify all sorts of violence, and yet we also claim that Jesus reveals God, yet Jesus is non-resistant and non-retributive then we have a problem of epic proportions. Either Jesus does not really show us the character of God or Jesus was deluded to think that he manifested the reign of God in his person and ministry.

We cannot say that Jesus is the full revelation of God and not have to reckon with the fact that Jesus as the revealer of God is quite different than what we find in certain stories about God in the Jewish Scriptures. This is why it was so important for us to see that Jesus read his Bible critically, selectively, just as did many of his contemporaries, and in fact as all Christians do today. No one has ever managed to take the entire Bible literally; it must be interpreted. What we have failed to do is to recognize that if Jesus ‘imitated the abba’, the Maker of all that is, then God is like Jesus. I frequently say on my website and in talks I give that what really blew the apostolic church’s mind was not whether Jesus was like God, but whether God was like Jesus. The apostolic church started the biggest intellectual shift in human history when they recorded their gospels and letters and throughout had to reckon with the fact that it was Jesus who was recognized as Lord of heaven and earth by virtue of his resurrection and ascension. They began working out the parameters of what a Jesus centered God would look like. We take our cue from them, for their work is not complete and that is why we also, like them, follow Jesus. In fact, we follow them as they follow Jesus.

Hummm,not sure what to think of this or the point you are really making here.We've agreed on a lot of things so far but not sure I agree here.Are you saying the God of the OT and Jesus are not one in the same? Or that the mean,angry God of the OT cant be in line with Jesus? What parts of the Bible are literal and which are not? Did Jesus literally heal? Is sin literally wrong? Was Jesus literally born of a virgin? Are our sins literally forgiven if we ask forgiveness? See if one part of the Bible isn't literal how can you claim another is? We can just pick what we like and say the rest isn't literal. That is not sound doctrine at all.

The humanists have gotten a hold of Jesus and repainted him as a pacifist,one who was all love and no judgement and partied down with sinners like some saintified {yes I made that word up} rock star.God and Jesus,OT and NT totally agree.Somehow people dont get this concept and dont understand the difference between OT and NT. When Jesus came He became our high priest and our sacrifice.So we are living in an age of grace which means because of Jesus covering we are not struck down like the OT.The NT talks about that grace and warns us not to abuse it because if God cut down His own chosen people He will do the same to us if we remain in sin.So because of this grace we are not killed on the spot when we sin. But will still be judged and punished of that sin if we do not turn from it.

For some reason,and I happen to think its because we have so many entitled,spoiled people today,we cant understand how God can love us and yet chastise us. Somehow we think because we now live in grace that God never has the right to tell us we're wrong.That is what the Holy Spirit is for,to convict us of wrong.God is completely just.When God let judgment fall in the OT He had a good reason for it.God isn't and wasnt some cruel murderer,smiting people for the fun of it.Whether people today want to accept Him or not the God of the OT is the Jesus of the NT.They are in total agreement.Jesus was not up in heaven saying to God "well thats not the way I would have handled that,but whatever..." You are lying to yourself and others to say the God of the OT was unjust or wrong in any way.I dont care how liberal people get,God is God and we have no right to question His actions.You mentioned Job,how did God respond to Job? He basically told him "you are not God,I AM" then he proceeded to ask Job all sorts of questions reminding him he was human and God was God. Job never sinned by accusing God.Loving us does not mean He accepts our sin.If we do not turn we will be punished. Both OT and NT say so.We need to heed that warning.
 
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Ugly

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#90
I totally agree. Thats the point I was trying to make. I apologize if anyone misunderstood me.
The word homophobe is thrown around so casually and ignorantly when you make a blanket statement people are going to take it wrong.
 
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kaylagrl

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#91
I love this foolishness. The Bible plainly said unbelief is sin. Every one of us was an unbeliever at some point. Some still do struggle with doubt.

The Bible says homosexuality is a perversion.Thats some strong wording. Yes sin is sin but homosexuality is a sin against ones own body,according to the Bible. People here are saying "why are Christians picking on this sin and not others." Well I have a point or two about that. First the homosexual agenda is being forced down Christians throats to be accepted as they are.They dont want to be told its wrong,they want the church to accept homosexuality and homosexuals as they are.I was born this way,dont tell me I cant love who I want.So that is why many Christians are responding the way they are to homosexuals.I dont see murders saying"God made me this way,accept me as I am and dont tell me Im wrong." As far divorce,I have people in my family that are divorced and in the churches we attend there are certain things they cannot do,preach is one of them.Many think that is unfair but to say Christians accept any sin but homosexuality is wrong and judging the same way you accuse others of doing to homosexuality.

My father is an evangelist,Ive told this before.In a concert one night he began to preach on homosexuality.He hadnt planned to and we were wondering why he was straying from his subject.A young man came to the alter call that night and later told my father that he had been thinking of getting a sex change and that he did not know that homosexuality was a sin.He thanked him and told him he had changed his mind about the surgery and homosexuality.What I believe is this,we tell people it is wrong,tell them the truth.No one is talking about pitch forks and torches. Tell them it is wrong.The Bible always tells us to preach the truth in love.But that same Bible says if your words are not accepted to shake the dust off your feet and keep walking.
 

Monnkai

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it is true that christians have left their duty to seek a way or solution of problems rather they are always engage discussing about homosexuality. Homosexuality is sin, it has been existing, and it cannot be radicate. The duty of christian is to keep praying souls who are going in wrong way than condemning them. If God judge us on our sins, who can stand before Him. Remember there are other sins people ignore that leads to hell as we think people into homosexuality. Love them and direct them to the right path. Many of them are ignorant of what they are doing while others are been molested, some are rape. Some fall into victims. U condemning them have you hear other part of their story or because u are privilege of what u are. some even learned it by so called brothers and sisters in the church or pastors. some christains are practising it secretly. please real believes wake up. Homosexuality is even in the church. I am saying the fact. I am victim of It. I wish to say more or preach to the churches what is going on now but where can i start. may God have mercy on us. This is the reason Bible says that the love of many shall wax cold, lovers of money, pleasure, material things, and so forth, than God. Where do u belong to?
If u love them pray for them.
I completely agree. Im also sorry for your horrible experience, no one should have to go through that. I know the whole lust thing all to well I just kicked a addiction to porn that ive had since I was twelve lust got me so bad that I even defended rapists and there actions. It was actually just a few days ago God worked through me and resolved that issue. I see it differently now as the sin it is.
 

Monnkai

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A word of warning needed. Those who practice what is abominable are not justified in their lifestyle since it is an abomination and all those who justify them becomes abominations too. Abominations don't go to heaven.
I agree Im just saying we shouldn't treat them like dirt like we do. Where sinners as well.
 
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kaylagrl

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I agree Im just saying we shouldn't treat them like dirt like we do. Where sinners as well.

Ok,please dont feel the need to apologize but who is the "we" that treat homosexuals like dirt? Because I know I dont. And what do you mean by "treat them like dirt"? Yes,we sin,we repent.We are not suppose to remain in sin. A Christian may sin but they are not actively "sinning",or should not be. If there is no difference between those in the church and those outside the church we have a problem.Somebody needs revival in their church.
 

Monnkai

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I'm pretty sure that our job is to show love and forgiveness to the unsaved, showing them Christ,
and are to rebuke those who remain in sin while claiming Christ.

Rebuking the sin of an unsaved homosexual doesn't change their heart. Only the Holy Spirit can do that.

When looking at our position, we should recognise how Christ responded to the lost, opposed to how He responded to the proud religious. Gentle love to the unsaved. Tough love to the wayward brethren.
I would only rebuke a homosexual for that sin if he/she is trying to say that they can follow Christ while living in that sin. If they don't claim Christ to begin with, what good does changing their behaviour do?
excellent point. That hits home with me I've been willfully sinning all my life and still claimed Christ. The holy spirit does indeed change people.
 

Monnkai

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Ok,please dont feel the need to apologize but who is the "we" that treat homosexuals like dirt? Because I know I dont. And what do you mean by "treat them like dirt"? Yes,we sin,we repent.We are not suppose to remain in sin. A Christian may sin but they are not actively "sinning",or should not be. If there is no difference between those in the church and those outside the church we have a problem.Somebody needs revival in their church.
im not talking about specifically us Im talking about people like in hate groups that claim to be christian I apologize I shouldn't use the word we.
 

Monnkai

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Ok,please dont feel the need to apologize but who is the "we" that treat homosexuals like dirt? Because I know I dont. And what do you mean by "treat them like dirt"? Yes,we sin,we repent.We are not suppose to remain in sin. A Christian may sin but they are not actively "sinning",or should not be. If there is no difference between those in the church and those outside the church we have a problem.Somebody needs revival in their church.
I apologized again I do have to stop that.
 
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kaylagrl

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im not talking about specifically us Im talking about people like in hate groups that claim to be christian I apologize I shouldn't use the word we.

Ok just needed to be sure you werent talking about Christians. We are not to hate anyone,we know that is the same as murder.