For those who do not believe in the Trinity

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Crazy4GODword

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4runner said:
I do believe Jesus is God in the flesh, that the holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, and that the Father in the one and only true god. However I DO NOT believe they are separate therefore I do not believe in the doctrine of the Trinity
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The Trinity is that they are God but also distinctive. They actually where together at the same time in the bible. Look it up, Jesus' baptism. Jesus came up, the Spirit of God like a dove, and a Voice from heaven....sounds like they were all there.

Genesis 1:1-3 shows the Trinity. The third verse is that God said let there be light...what do you use to say things? Words of course and what does John 1:1,14 say? So you are seeing the Father creating, the Spirit moving, and Jesus bringing light..
 
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The Trinity is that they are God but also distinctive. They actually where together at the same time in the bible. Look it up, Jesus' baptism. Jesus came up, the Spirit of God like a dove, and a Voice from heaven....sounds like they were all there.

Genesis 1:1-3 shows the Trinity. The third verse is that God said let there be light...what do you use to say things? Words of course and what does John 1:1,14 say? So you are seeing the Father creating, the Spirit moving, and Jesus bringing light..
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I see you are very smart, and have been taught well, but through study of scripture, and the leading of the Holy Spirit, I have come to a different conclusion than your pastor or Sunday school teacher. I believe the distinction between the Father, and Son is the humanity of christ.

The Oneness doctrine.
#1 The Father is God, Jesus is God, The Holy Spirit is God.
#2 However Jesus Christ is also the Father and the Father is the Holy Spirit.
#3 In other words there is one God the Father, who came in a body (the Son) and who is the Eternal Spirit (the Holy Spirit). So we teach that the Father came in the flesh as Jesus, and is a Spirit ''The Holy Spirit''.
#4 So it is similar to the Trinity doctrine in that we have 3 who are one, but Oneness doctrine says that the 3 ''persons'' are not separate, but actually the same 1, who is God



God bless you , man of God.
 
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I see you are very smart, and have been taught well, but through study of scripture, and the leading of the Holy Spirit, I have come to a different conclusion than your pastor or Sunday school teacher. I believe the distinction between the Father, and Son is the humanity of christ.

The Oneness doctrine.
#1 The Father is God, Jesus is God, The Holy Spirit is God.
#2 However Jesus Christ is also the Father and the Father is the Holy Spirit.
#3 In other words there is one God the Father, who came in a body (the Son) and who is the Eternal Spirit (the Holy Spirit). So we teach that the Father came in the flesh as Jesus, and is a Spirit ''The Holy Spirit''.
#4 So it is similar to the Trinity doctrine in that we have 3 who are one, but Oneness doctrine says that the 3 ''persons'' are not separate, but actually the same 1, who is God



God bless you , man of God.
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Hey 4runner- I respect your stance- disagreement, even on a key point of doctrine, but not to the point of needing to exclude a brother (or sister) from the kingdom of God as if it were somehow up to us to decide who is in or out.
 
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I think we should not waste one more second talking of this Trinity subject. I hope all Christians will join me on this and by pass the post from this minute on. The devil is trying got divide us and keep us arguing over stupid stuff.
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The trinity is not a small issue. It's fundamental to our faith. We're talking about who God is. That's very important!
 
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The trinity is not a small issue. It's fundamental to our faith. We're talking about who God is. That's very important!
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Yes, believing this is part of our salvation. We should know about this. And 4runner, I believe God's word not my pastor's. I do disagree with my pastor at time and there is things that my pastor says that isn't true. I study, but I don't how you study no offense. But this doctrine is scruptural and important!
 
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Yes, believing this is part of our salvation. We should know about this. And 4runner, I believe God's word not my pastor's. I do disagree with my pastor at time and there is things that my pastor says that isn't true. I study, but I don't how you study no offense. But this doctrine is scruptural and important!
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How do I study? I have read the N.T. over 300 times, and because of that i have turned from the teaching of the Trinity.

Jesus is God, not 1/3 God
 
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How do I study? I have read the N.T. over 300 times, and because of that i have turned from the teaching of the Trinity.
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Good for you!

Jesus is God, not 1/3 God
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Whoops.

1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, AND one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; AND one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
 
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Good for you!


Whoops.

1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, AND one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; AND one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
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Yes all you said is true Jesus is a man, the Son of God, but there is plenty of scripture to prove that God became man, and dwelt among us.
 
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Jesus is fully God, as is the Holy Spirit and the Father. 100% 100% 100% all in one.
 
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Jesus Christ is both God and man.

Job 9:8 *Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

Matthew 14:26 *And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.

Hebrews 1:8 *But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

1 Timothy 2:5 *For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
 
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Crazy4GODword

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Brandon777 said:
Jesus is fully God, as is the Holy Spirit and the Father. 100% 100% 100% all in one.
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4runner, this is true Jesus is not 1/3 of God but 100 percent. Even if you have studied the bible that many times you still miss something, you don't have all the answers.
 
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Yes all you said is true Jesus is a man, the Son of God, but there is plenty of scripture to prove that God became man, and dwelt among us.
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Num 23:19) God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, AND one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; AND one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

God and Jesus Christ are not the same being. The "oneness" theory is not true.
 
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4runner, this is true Jesus is not 1/3 of God but 100 percent. Even if you have studied the bible that many times you still miss something, you don't have all the answers.
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I agree that Jesus is fully God 100%, that is why I am not Trinitarian.
 
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#2 ... the Father is the Holy Spirit.
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“And I (Jesus) will pray (to) the Father, and He will give you another Helper,
that He may abide with you forever -- the Spirit of truth …
… you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
… If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him,
and We (all 3?) will come to him and make Our home with him.
… But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name,
He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” John 14:16-26

Here we see that the Father will send the Holy Spirit to believers.
This is just one of 10+ verses where all 3 Persons of the Godhead are mentioned together in the same verse.
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Crazy4GODword

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I agree that Jesus is fully God 100%, that is why I am not Trinitarian.
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Trinity doesn't believe Jesus 1/3 God....where did you think that? I already believe Jesus is fully God and a Trinity believer.
 
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Trinity doesn't believe Jesus 1/3 God....where did you think that? I already believe Jesus is fully God and a Trinity believer.
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One easy question.

Do you believe Jesus is the one and only true God ''God the Father'' in the flesh, or do you believe he is 1/3 of the Trinity ''God the Son'' in the flesh and completely distinct person from God the Father?
 
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One easy question.

Do you believe Jesus is the one and only true God ''God the Father'' in the flesh, or do you believe he is 1/3 of the Trinity ''God the Son'' in the flesh and completely distinct person from God the Father?
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If Jesus is God the father, who was he praying to?
 
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R3V07UTI0N

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I believe in the trinity.. one triune God.

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one being.

I do have an issue with seperating them out into seperate beings.. because there are too many verses when they are interchanging roles or doing the same thing at the same time.

I believe when I get to heaven I will meet God... full stop. One being. I don believe I'll meet Jesus.. the Father.. and the Holy Spirit as seperate beings.. because that would be pretty much Polytheism.

But.. as long as people believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are equally God.. no inferiority from one to the other.. I got no beef.. because then it is just semantics.
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I believe there is only one God and that God is the Father "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?..."-(Malachi 2:10) If Jesus is God it logically fallows that Jesus is the Father. Want more prove "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."-(Isaiah 9:6) Jesus is the Son prophesied about and there is only ONE Father. More prove Jesus Himself taught that He was the Father. "Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."-(John 8:19). "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."-(John 8:24). More prove we should note that "he" in the verse is in italics, which indicates that it is not in the original Greek, been added by the translators. Jesus was really identifying Himself with the "I AM" of (Exodus 3:14). The Jews who did not understand his meaning, asked, "Who art thou?" Jesus answered, "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning."-(John 8:25). However "They understood not that he spake to them of the Father."-(John 8:27). In other words, Jesus tried to tell them that He is the Father and the I AM and that if they did not accept Him as God they would die in their sins.

In 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word which is the Son (John 1:14), and the Holy Spirit is simply God, God is Holy (Leviticus 11:44; 1 Peter 1:16) God alone is holy in Himself. God is also a spirit (John 4:24), and there is only one spirit of God (1 Corinthians 12:11; Ephesians 4:4). Therefore "Holy Spirit" is another term for the ONE God. therefore 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit bear record in heaven and that these three are titles of the one (Jesus Christ)

The same way they saw Jesus descend into heaven is the saw way we will see Him come back. One God not two or three like you said that would be polytheism.
 
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Crazy4GODword said:
Yes, believing this is part of our salvation. We should know about this. And 4runner, I believe God's word not my pastor's. I do disagree with my pastor at time and there is things that my pastor says that isn't true. I study, but I don't how you study no offense. But this doctrine is scruptural and important!
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You should try reading over your bible that's right you should not believe everything man says read the word of God. The Bible never says three "persons" that's misleading "persons" makes it seem like there is three human bodies but there is not there is three roles that God is the Father in creator of everything and everyone(flesh). The Son, Jesus Christ(flesh) has the same Spirit of God cuz there is only one Spirit of God and one body of God that is Jesus Christ(Ephesians 4:4). "Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."-(John 8:19) Jesus said I and my Father are one.

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."-(Isaiah 9:6). This Son given unto us is Jesus Christ the mighty God, The everlasting Father.

There is only one God and that God is the Father "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?..."-(Malachi 2:10).
 
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“And I (Jesus) will pray (to) the Father, and He will give you another Helper,
that He may abide with you forever -- the Spirit of truth …
… you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
… If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him,
and We (all 3?) will come to him and make Our home with him.
… But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name,
He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” John 14:16-26

Here we see that the Father will send the Holy Spirit to believers.
This is just one of 10+ verses where all 3 Persons of the Godhead are mentioned together in the same verse.
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First of all in verse 18 of this passage Jesus refers to himself and the Holy Spirit as ''I''. Secondly the fact that the Father send His Spirit doesnt discount that the holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father Himself.
 
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