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God manifested in flesh means God became flesh.
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Jesus is God and is flesh right?
agree ... for 1750 years, Christians have believed in "fully man and fully God".
There is one God and one Spirt of God.
There is one Father God and one Spirit of God.
The Spirit of the Father is in Jesus that makes Jesus God.
disagree ... the Spirit was Jesus' (biological) Father, which made Him sinless.
Christianity says God the Son was manifested in the flesh (Jesus).
Then how can anyone say Jesus is not the Father manifested in flesh.
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Jesus is God and is flesh right?
agree ... for 1750 years, Christians have believed in "fully man and fully God".
There is one God and one Spirt of God.
There is one Father God and one Spirit of God.
The Spirit of the Father is in Jesus that makes Jesus God.
disagree ... the Spirit was Jesus' (biological) Father, which made Him sinless.
Christianity says God the Son was manifested in the flesh (Jesus).
Then how can anyone say Jesus is not the Father manifested in flesh.
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"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." (Isaiah 43:11) Old Testament
besides the Father there is no Saviour.
What?!? How can this be if Jesus is our Saviour?!? Yes the Father is Saviour "But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:"(2 Timothy 1:10) New Testament
"I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."(Isaiah 45:23) Old Testament
Every knee shall bow unto the Father.
Yes every knee shall bow down to God! "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"(Philippians 2:10)New Testament
You may ask how can this be if it destroys the trinity doctrine of three different "persons", Jesus never says I am ONE OF THREE. "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."(Galatians 3:20) not a mediator of one Trinity but God is One.
How can this be? there is only one God and that God is the Father "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?..."-(Malachi 2:10) If Jesus is God it logically fallows that Jesus is the Father.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."-(Isaiah 9:6) Jesus is the Son prophesied about and there is only ONE Father.
Jesus Himself taught that He was the Father. "Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."-(John 8:19). "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am "he", ye shall die in your sins."-(John 8:24) we should note that "he" in the verse is in italics, which indicates that it is not in the original Greek, been added by the translators. Jesus was really identifying Himself with the "I AM" of (Exodus 3:14). The Jews who did not understand his meaning, asked, "Who art thou?" Jesus answered, "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning."-(John 8:25). However "They understood not that he spake to them of the Father."-(John 8:27). In other words, Jesus tried to tell them that He is the Father and the I AM and that if they did not accept Him as God they would die in their sins.
Don't be like the Jews who did not understand His meaning just cuz He said He is the Father.
"Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I."(Isaiah 52:6) Old Testament
"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."(John 14:10) New Testament
In 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word which is the Son (John 1:14), and the Holy Spirit is simply God, God is Holy (Leviticus 11:44; 1 Peter 1:16) God alone is Holy in Himself. God is also a spirit (John 4:24), and there is only one spirit of God (1 Corinthians 12:11; Ephesians 4:4). Therefore "Holy Spirit" is another term for the ONE God. therefore 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit bear record in heaven and that these three are titles of the one (Jesus Christ)
In Matthew 28:19 Jesus said "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" the Apostles understood in the name(singular) not plural making it one name not three.
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."(Acts 2:38)
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."(Acts 4:12)
THE NAME IS JESUS CHRIST
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."(Revelation 1:8)
"One Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5)
There is not three different persons but One living God.
"...God was manifest in the flesh..."(1 Timothy 3:16)
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."(Colossians 2:9)
besides the Father there is no Saviour.
What?!? How can this be if Jesus is our Saviour?!? Yes the Father is Saviour "But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:"(2 Timothy 1:10) New Testament
"I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."(Isaiah 45:23) Old Testament
Every knee shall bow unto the Father.
Yes every knee shall bow down to God! "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"(Philippians 2:10)New Testament
You may ask how can this be if it destroys the trinity doctrine of three different "persons", Jesus never says I am ONE OF THREE. "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."(Galatians 3:20) not a mediator of one Trinity but God is One.
How can this be? there is only one God and that God is the Father "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?..."-(Malachi 2:10) If Jesus is God it logically fallows that Jesus is the Father.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."-(Isaiah 9:6) Jesus is the Son prophesied about and there is only ONE Father.
Jesus Himself taught that He was the Father. "Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."-(John 8:19). "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am "he", ye shall die in your sins."-(John 8:24) we should note that "he" in the verse is in italics, which indicates that it is not in the original Greek, been added by the translators. Jesus was really identifying Himself with the "I AM" of (Exodus 3:14). The Jews who did not understand his meaning, asked, "Who art thou?" Jesus answered, "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning."-(John 8:25). However "They understood not that he spake to them of the Father."-(John 8:27). In other words, Jesus tried to tell them that He is the Father and the I AM and that if they did not accept Him as God they would die in their sins.
Don't be like the Jews who did not understand His meaning just cuz He said He is the Father.
"Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I."(Isaiah 52:6) Old Testament
"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."(John 14:10) New Testament
In 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word which is the Son (John 1:14), and the Holy Spirit is simply God, God is Holy (Leviticus 11:44; 1 Peter 1:16) God alone is Holy in Himself. God is also a spirit (John 4:24), and there is only one spirit of God (1 Corinthians 12:11; Ephesians 4:4). Therefore "Holy Spirit" is another term for the ONE God. therefore 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit bear record in heaven and that these three are titles of the one (Jesus Christ)
In Matthew 28:19 Jesus said "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" the Apostles understood in the name(singular) not plural making it one name not three.
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."(Acts 2:38)
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."(Acts 4:12)
THE NAME IS JESUS CHRIST
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."(Revelation 1:8)
"One Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5)
There is not three different persons but One living God.
"...God was manifest in the flesh..."(1 Timothy 3:16)
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."(Colossians 2:9)
Thats a nice explaination, and sounds all rosy, but that is what you have been taught. I firmly believe that you believe this doctrine with all your heart, and your intentions sincere, but I have to disagree with the main message you are giving.
You seem to forget that Jesus is the WORD OF GOD and God was speaking through him. So if God the Father was speaking through Jesus then who was really speaking? God the Father of course. It was God who spoke through Jesus lips. So the words Jesus spoke was not a lie, it was truth, and was God speaking.
Why did Jesus say "Call no man on Earth your Father, for one is your Father, your Father in heaven" (mat 23:9)
But you say, yes call Jesus Father.
Jesus never once instructed us to call him Father. This is a pretty big thing. The foundation of your doctrine.
but again Jesus said "Call NO MAN on EARTH your Father" Jesus spoke these words whilst he was still alive, and with us. He spoke it whilst he was on the earth. Can you find it in your heart to please study these words. To see the message in it.
Jesus say's "I am the Son of God" but you say
no, Jesus is the Father.
Father, Son? big difference
but same spirit
Jesus always glorified his Father. He does his Fathers work. He is the "express image" of his Father. The fullness of the Father is in him. Everything he does and say is to show us and be an example of his Fathers will. His Father speaks directly through him, because Jesus said he can do nothing of himself.
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Matthew 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
And the Father always glorifies his son, because he carried out his will till death and did not sin once. He earn't his reward & glory through, faith, knowledge and obedience of his Fathers will. Christ is worthy to be glorified
John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Jesus is the Son of God. There is no trickery in that.
Jesus is the mediator. The one inbetween man and God. A mediator has to be a third person. Not the same person, or the word mediator has no effect.
Is Jesus God? Yes he is, because the Father told us to worship him. The Father called him God. Whoever you worship is your God, and by worshipping the Son, you are obeying the commandment from God the Father. You cannot have one without the other. They are "one" in spirit. "One" in agreement. Same purpose. Same spirit, but Father & Son.
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
(one in spirit, unity)
Jesus called Satan "The God of this world" does that make Satan the true God? Absolutely not, but Satan's will is followed by men, so that makes Satan their God. Some need to understand that the word God means diety.
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
I hope you will sincerely look into it with all your heart and spirit. God bless.
You seem to forget that Jesus is the WORD OF GOD and God was speaking through him. So if God the Father was speaking through Jesus then who was really speaking? God the Father of course. It was God who spoke through Jesus lips. So the words Jesus spoke was not a lie, it was truth, and was God speaking.
Why did Jesus say "Call no man on Earth your Father, for one is your Father, your Father in heaven" (mat 23:9)
But you say, yes call Jesus Father.
Jesus never once instructed us to call him Father. This is a pretty big thing. The foundation of your doctrine.
but again Jesus said "Call NO MAN on EARTH your Father" Jesus spoke these words whilst he was still alive, and with us. He spoke it whilst he was on the earth. Can you find it in your heart to please study these words. To see the message in it.
Jesus say's "I am the Son of God" but you say
no, Jesus is the Father.
Father, Son? big difference
but same spirit
Jesus always glorified his Father. He does his Fathers work. He is the "express image" of his Father. The fullness of the Father is in him. Everything he does and say is to show us and be an example of his Fathers will. His Father speaks directly through him, because Jesus said he can do nothing of himself.
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Matthew 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
And the Father always glorifies his son, because he carried out his will till death and did not sin once. He earn't his reward & glory through, faith, knowledge and obedience of his Fathers will. Christ is worthy to be glorified
John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Jesus is the Son of God. There is no trickery in that.
Jesus is the mediator. The one inbetween man and God. A mediator has to be a third person. Not the same person, or the word mediator has no effect.
Is Jesus God? Yes he is, because the Father told us to worship him. The Father called him God. Whoever you worship is your God, and by worshipping the Son, you are obeying the commandment from God the Father. You cannot have one without the other. They are "one" in spirit. "One" in agreement. Same purpose. Same spirit, but Father & Son.
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
(one in spirit, unity)
Jesus called Satan "The God of this world" does that make Satan the true God? Absolutely not, but Satan's will is followed by men, so that makes Satan their God. Some need to understand that the word God means diety.
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
I hope you will sincerely look into it with all your heart and spirit. God bless.
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John 20:27-29 27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. 29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed
notice how Thomas calls Jesus God and Jesus doesn't condemn it, but calls him blessed.
and who is God but the Father?
notice how Thomas calls Jesus God and Jesus doesn't condemn it, but calls him blessed.
and who is God but the Father?
God the Father- runs the universe and everything within it
God the Son- Came down in the form of flesh to defeat Satans plans once and for all, paying the price for us.
God the Holy Spirit- God's Infinite Spirit which can enter endless amounts of people simultaneously directing each path in depth and detail according to each persons individual journey moment by moment... again- AT THE SAME TIME!! the Spirit is clearly infinite and endless in its ability,strength and wisdom. Perfect.
when Jesus was in the flesh before He was baptised He was truly God in the Flesh, not God in the Spirit. Why would a perfect Jesus need another Spirit to decend on Him in bodily form like a dove? because that was the moment He came out of the water born into the Spirit (as described by the symbolism of baptism-the rising out of the water) The Spirit of God entered Gods flesh and became ONE entity (of course this is easily possible because God has no limits) and when people Repented and opened themselves to the Holy Spirit they suddenly had a way for God to re-connect with us as was originally intended by our creation (as companions to GOD) Why would God Jesus need a God the Father? why the separation? because He has a universe to run
and Jesus can't leave out God the Father because it would be leaving Himself out, He can't leave out the Holy Spirit because He would be leaving Himself out. And thats why nobody can get to the Father except through Jesus, because HE would be leaving Himself out! Thats why you cannot blaspheme any of those 3. Thats why they are all ONE, and yet all perfectly Individual, God is infinite. I hope this helped someone.
God the Son- Came down in the form of flesh to defeat Satans plans once and for all, paying the price for us.
God the Holy Spirit- God's Infinite Spirit which can enter endless amounts of people simultaneously directing each path in depth and detail according to each persons individual journey moment by moment... again- AT THE SAME TIME!! the Spirit is clearly infinite and endless in its ability,strength and wisdom. Perfect.
when Jesus was in the flesh before He was baptised He was truly God in the Flesh, not God in the Spirit. Why would a perfect Jesus need another Spirit to decend on Him in bodily form like a dove? because that was the moment He came out of the water born into the Spirit (as described by the symbolism of baptism-the rising out of the water) The Spirit of God entered Gods flesh and became ONE entity (of course this is easily possible because God has no limits) and when people Repented and opened themselves to the Holy Spirit they suddenly had a way for God to re-connect with us as was originally intended by our creation (as companions to GOD) Why would God Jesus need a God the Father? why the separation? because He has a universe to run
and Jesus can't leave out God the Father because it would be leaving Himself out, He can't leave out the Holy Spirit because He would be leaving Himself out. And thats why nobody can get to the Father except through Jesus, because HE would be leaving Himself out! Thats why you cannot blaspheme any of those 3. Thats why they are all ONE, and yet all perfectly Individual, God is infinite. I hope this helped someone.Not all pretrib believers arwe cultist, only those that after hearing the truth, decide to worship the idea of the pretrib rapture over the truth of God's word.
cult [kuhlt] 4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, idea, etc.
Those that worship the IDEA of a pretrib rapture in opposition to the teachings of scripture are cultist.
Back to topic please.
cult [kuhlt] 4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, idea, etc.
Those that worship the IDEA of a pretrib rapture in opposition to the teachings of scripture are cultist.
Back to topic please.
I believe in the pre-trib rapture. I do not worship the idea of a pre-trib rapture. I worship God.
Do you worship the IDEA of a post-trib rapture?
You are a member of the oneness cult. You worship the IDEA that God, Jesus, and the HS are not three persons, but one; all are the same God.
disclaimer: I am a biblical unitarian.
Do you worship the IDEA of a post-trib rapture?
You are a member of the oneness cult. You worship the IDEA that God, Jesus, and the HS are not three persons, but one; all are the same God.
disclaimer: I am a biblical unitarian.
The difference between the pre and post trib rapture is the pretribber has to ignore , twist and oppose scripture to believe in their god, while the post trib believer just has to believe God's word as it is written.
Actually I am not. the ''Oneness cult does believe in the Oneness of God, but they also subscribe to many false doctrine that I do not.
That is what the bible teaches. do I worship the truth? Yes i do, his name is Jesus
Talk about a cult.... By the way there is not such thing as ''biblcal'' unitarian. you must deny the deity of Christ to be a unitarian i doing so you oppose scripture, not agree with it.
Actually I am not. the ''Oneness cult does believe in the Oneness of God, but they also subscribe to many false doctrine that I do not.
That is what the bible teaches. do I worship the truth? Yes i do, his name is Jesus
Talk about a cult.... By the way there is not such thing as ''biblcal'' unitarian. you must deny the deity of Christ to be a unitarian i doing so you oppose scripture, not agree with it.