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Honest is living up and admitting when you have made a mistake
Honesty is when you claim people say something, and you have been proven wrong by so many people. You admit you made a mistake and continue to slander people by saying they believe something they do not (Say like workers saying people like me HATE obedience and want nothing to do with it)
Honesty and integrity is not telling people to put their pants on, Not telling people to man up. Not attacking people who disagree with them.
I came in and made a few posts, of disagreement, As usual someone did not like it, and attacked me.
You quickly climbed on the bandwagon, Well what does that say about you?
Honesty is when you claim people say something, and you have been proven wrong by so many people. You admit you made a mistake and continue to slander people by saying they believe something they do not (Say like workers saying people like me HATE obedience and want nothing to do with it)
Honesty and integrity is not telling people to put their pants on, Not telling people to man up. Not attacking people who disagree with them.
I came in and made a few posts, of disagreement, As usual someone did not like it, and attacked me.
You quickly climbed on the bandwagon, Well what does that say about you?
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No it does not.
Jesus said we are saved by faith, He said we are not condemned BECAUSE we trusted in him, He said if we believe in him we will never hunger never thirst, live forever, have eternal life and will be risen on the last day
He said those who come to him he will never cast out. And those who are his, if we want a blessed life, to go do the work he created us to do. Which is to love others, whether they are our enemy or not.
and again, this little elephant shows his true colors. He will yell and scream and cry when people disagree with him, saying they attack him, yet almost every post he makes he has a derogatory remark about someone.
And yes, I will continue to expose every time he does this whether he is talking to me or not
Jesus said we are saved by faith, He said we are not condemned BECAUSE we trusted in him, He said if we believe in him we will never hunger never thirst, live forever, have eternal life and will be risen on the last day
He said those who come to him he will never cast out. And those who are his, if we want a blessed life, to go do the work he created us to do. Which is to love others, whether they are our enemy or not.
and again, this little elephant shows his true colors. He will yell and scream and cry when people disagree with him, saying they attack him, yet almost every post he makes he has a derogatory remark about someone.
And yes, I will continue to expose every time he does this whether he is talking to me or not
I agree with everything you wrote in the above paragraph.
But when you write "remaining obedient secures eternity": you are saying something very different than what you say in the above paragraph. (at least to me it is very different).
Obedience is required - Yes! But this does mean that it is obedience that secures salvation or eternity!
But when you write "remaining obedient secures eternity": you are saying something very different than what you say in the above paragraph. (at least to me it is very different).
Obedience is required - Yes! But this does mean that it is obedience that secures salvation or eternity!
No, and that has been the problem all along. People just do not understand the concept/use of the word secure. Maybe you will have a better idea of what I mean when I use "secures" by reading a Parable Jesus taught to explain His teachings about obedience.
Matthew 7:24) Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25) And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
This man was secure in knowing his house would stand because of the ROCK, not because of His labour. Does that help?
Matthew 7:24) Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25) And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
This man was secure in knowing his house would stand because of the ROCK, not because of His labour. Does that help?
You continue to protest......yet you, and others here continue to do what you accuse me of. Sad, truly sad.....but, shoot, your history has been one of attack, assault, belittle, berate and mock, so why should anyone expect any less?
All you expose is your own lack of understanding of Scripture, and your own denominational blindness.
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Dude I am not attacking you, I just gave a different opinion. I disagree that works ASSURE of of salvation. I believe works are a PRODUCT of salvation. (that is my only gripe. yet you NEVER respond to this issue. )
But for some reason you think everything I say something I am attacking you. Like Peter Jenz did, and other people who do not like it when people have a different view and will keep making sure that view is seen also.
So please. get off your high horse and stop with the nonsense
You have yet to respond to any post I have made in this thread. Every time you respond to me, you respond with an attack.
Who is the one attacking here (everyone sees)
1. I have no denomination
2. Your the one who has an issue wiht scripture. I gave an interpretation of a few of your scriptures. You have yet to even respind to them. so again, Your the one who has the problem here not me.
Both of these are strawman arguments, They have no basis of fact, They can go both ways (I can say the same argument to you this they are invalid argument)
You want to discuss the word let discuss it, lets stop calling people names, telling them to man up. Telling them to put their pants on. Lets discuss the word. Or continue with your nonsense.
But for some reason you think everything I say something I am attacking you. Like Peter Jenz did, and other people who do not like it when people have a different view and will keep making sure that view is seen also.
So please. get off your high horse and stop with the nonsense
You have yet to respond to any post I have made in this thread. Every time you respond to me, you respond with an attack.
Who is the one attacking here (everyone sees)
1. I have no denomination
2. Your the one who has an issue wiht scripture. I gave an interpretation of a few of your scriptures. You have yet to even respind to them. so again, Your the one who has the problem here not me.
Both of these are strawman arguments, They have no basis of fact, They can go both ways (I can say the same argument to you this they are invalid argument)
You want to discuss the word let discuss it, lets stop calling people names, telling them to man up. Telling them to put their pants on. Lets discuss the word. Or continue with your nonsense.
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Works in Faith
- In your faith supply the desire and will to do good;
- and supply in your will to do good the knowledge that there is nothing good in you, and all goodness comes from GOD;
- and supply in your knowledge that only GOD is good the self-control to not run ahead of GOD doing your own dead works;
- and supply in your self-control the patient endurance to endure suffering while waiting for the guidance of GOD's spirit;
- and supply in your patient endurance the godly behavior of seeking GOD's glory instead of your own glory;
- and supply in your godliness the brotherly affection that esteems others better than yourself;
- and supply in your brotherly affection the love (agape) that lays down it's life for the brethren.
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and by the way ,As I showed earlier ( the ope never even responded) works do not assure salvation, our position and faith in Christ does.
People can continue to run the race because they KNOW they are forgiven, and KNOW when the fall down. God will get us back up. and set us on our way again
Works is a FALSE assurance of salvation, The pharisees had many works, How much did it assure them? Sadly the church is focused on works today, And missing the true meaning of Grace and where the root of obedience comes from.
People can continue to run the race because they KNOW they are forgiven, and KNOW when the fall down. God will get us back up. and set us on our way again
Works is a FALSE assurance of salvation, The pharisees had many works, How much did it assure them? Sadly the church is focused on works today, And missing the true meaning of Grace and where the root of obedience comes from.
Dude.......go back in the Thread.......because you surely did not have a problem belittling and berating me quite often. Now you want to back off? It is your history that when folks give back what you give out, you whine and cry about being attacked. You honestly think I am not aware of your 5 year history here?
You do not want to discuss anything. If you did, you would see that some of us have been discussing it all along, and having to do so while putting up with your nonsense. I expect you are ready to stop with the name calling, it would be wise, but, if you begin to lose the argument, you will revert right back to your normal MO. So, what is the use?
You want to stop, yet you continue, even in this post? Too, too funny........
HeRoseFromTheDead posted a comment that blew all of your arguments out of the water. I did the same by posting the Scriptures of Christ in His own Words. Especially those from the 7th Chapter of Matthew, which you have little or no understanding of. The Word is Truth! If you have a problem with the use of the word "secures," that is your problem because of your lack of understanding.
You do not want to discuss anything. If you did, you would see that some of us have been discussing it all along, and having to do so while putting up with your nonsense. I expect you are ready to stop with the name calling, it would be wise, but, if you begin to lose the argument, you will revert right back to your normal MO. So, what is the use?
You want to stop, yet you continue, even in this post? Too, too funny........
HeRoseFromTheDead posted a comment that blew all of your arguments out of the water. I did the same by posting the Scriptures of Christ in His own Words. Especially those from the 7th Chapter of Matthew, which you have little or no understanding of. The Word is Truth! If you have a problem with the use of the word "secures," that is your problem because of your lack of understanding.
I agree with every word of that!
Neither I, nor others who understand what I have said about obedience have ever proposed that works lead to salvation. Try reading Matthew, Chapter 7, and understand Jesus teaching about obedience, and how our being obedient to Him gives us security in our salvation.
Neither I, nor others who understand what I have said about obedience have ever proposed that works lead to salvation. Try reading Matthew, Chapter 7, and understand Jesus teaching about obedience, and how our being obedient to Him gives us security in our salvation.