Fruits of the Spirits

[Meggido]

How do we grow in them?

Mooky,
It is fruit not fruits of the Spirit....not bashing or correcting you, just helping a sister out...

Gal 5.22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

 

[BeyondET]

Mooky,
It is fruit not fruits of the Spirit....not bashing or correcting you, just helping a sister out...

Gal 5.22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Good post, want are the twelve fruits of the spirit?

 

[Meggido]

In John 15, we read about abiding in the Vine and the Vine bringing forth fruit in our lives.

The word "fruit" is translated from the Greek word karpos.

Here is what HELPS word-studies says about karpos:

2590 karpós – properly, fruit; (figuratively) everything done in true partnership with Christ, i.e. a believer (a branch) lives in union with Christ (the Vine). By definition, fruit (2590 /karpós) results from two life-streams – the Lord living His life through ours – to yield what is eternal (cf. 1 Jn 4:17).

HELPS Word-studies copyright © 1987, 2011 by Helps Ministries, Inc.​

As we abide in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Father carefully tends to our lives, cleansing us of the filth and impurity of this world, and the Lord Jesus Christ infuses our lives with His life.



Another thought --- what is the purpose of the fruit? Do we bear fruit only for ourselves? Or do we bear fruit for the Lord Jesus Christ?

We bear the fruit of our Lord Jesus Christ so that others may see and be drawn to our Lord Jesus Christ. Then He can work in others to bring forth fruit to even more.

The fruit is John 15 is not the fruit of the spirit, the fruit in John 15 is about making disciples....


Fruit of the Spirit is for personal character and the gifts of the Spirit are for ministry...

The main purpose of the Fruit of the Spirit is not for you, it is for others.....especially the less spiritually mature believers, the lost and the unbelieving....

Spiritually mature believers should have very ripe and mature fruit at all times so that the less spiritually mature believers, the lost and the unbelieving can feast off their fruit when they need to...

They need to eat our love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,gentleness and self-control....the fruit has seeds and when a person consumes the seed of the fruit of the Spirit.......I better stop or I will preach myself happy...

 

[PennEd]

Mooky,
It is fruit not fruits of the Spirit....not bashing or correcting you, just helping a sister out...

Gal 5.22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Well, to be fair brother, fruit can denote plural.
It's really talking about the different aspects of the Fruit of the Spirit.

 

[Meggido]

Well, to be fair brother, fruit can denote plural.
It's really talking about the different aspects of the Fruit of the Spirit.

ED, what does the word say? There is actually only one Fruit of the Spirit....LOVE...all other fruit is created and made mature, through love...this is why LOVE is listed first in Gal 5.22-23

 

[PennEd]

ED, what does the word say? There is actually only one Fruit of the Spirit....LOVE...all other fruit is created and made mature, through love...this is why LOVE is listed first in Gal 5.22-23

Amen. ALL the other aspects cannot stand if they are not built on love.

 

[sevenseas]

Well, to be fair brother, fruit can denote plural.
It's really talking about the different aspects of the Fruit of the Spirit.

Hey PennEd

I understand what you are saying, but a fruit tree gives /grows one kind of fruit (and yes of course for those who object a tree can have other fruit or kinds of the same fruit grafted in but that is obviously not a natural thing..sorry, but adding this cause someone will come along and object, this is the boom and doom forum after all

in the same manner, there is but one Holy Spirit (no not seven as some think)

so, He produces that fruit in us as we 'grow' in Jesus and God prunes our little fruit tree

I agree with what both yourself and Meggido said...diff sides, same coin

 

[Billyd]

How do we grow in them?

See Galatians 5:16 to 26

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

 

[Billyd]

Hey PennEd

I understand what you are saying, but a fruit tree gives /grows one kind of fruit (and yes of course for those who object a tree can have other fruit or kinds of the same fruit grafted in but that is obviously not a natural thing..sorry, but adding this cause someone will come along and object, this is the boom and doom forum after all

in the same manner, there is but one Holy Spirit (no not seven as some think)

so, He produces that fruit in us as we 'grow' in Jesus and God prunes our little fruit tree

I agree with what both yourself and Meggido said...diff sides, same coin

I have a fruit tree that produces both peaches and plums.

When we we are grafted into the tree, Jesus, we produce the fruit, love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, and temperance. These are the things that set us aside from the rest of the world. As we grow in Christ, these fruit become more evident.

I agree with others who say that love is the key to all other fruit. That love is the love that Christ has for us.

 

[BeyondET]

Amen. ALL the other aspects cannot stand if they are not built on love.

Indeed I agree that Love is the foundation friut, the other fruits are compliments of Love.

A person may Love but are they always joyful, no
A person may Love but are they always kind, no
A person may Love but are they always patient, no

Love is the foundation and the other fruits need to be honed in, practice on a daily bases.

Have I always been kind to others here at CC, NO I have not but that doesn't mean I don't Love.

There's a few bibles that have it as fruits, not saying their using the right wordage and I can say the same about other bibles. Friut or fruits regardless are a collection of fruits, just like the NT saying that all commandments hang on just two commandments, and that is based on Love.

Bible in Plain English
But the fruits of The Spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, sweetness, goodness, faith

 

[reneweddaybyday]

The fruit is John 15 is not the fruit of the spirit, the fruit in John 15 is about making disciples....

By "making disciples" do mean bringing people to Christ? If so, I do not agree.

However, I do agree that those who observe the fruit of the Vine in the life of the branch (believer) will be drawn to Christ in order to have the fruit of the Vine in their lives.

In other words, the new believers brought to the Lord are not the fruit of the Vine. The fruit of the Vine is something observable in the life of the believer who abides in the Vine.

And the fruit of the Vine does bring people to Christ. As others see and hear Christ working in the believer, they will be drawn to the Lord.

But the fruit of the Vine is something within the believer which is produced by the Lord. An example would be the peace that Jesus brings to the life of the believer. He promised His peace to us, not the peace of the world (John 14:27). People can see peace in a believer who is abiding in the Lord Jesus Christ. And people want that peace, so they ask about it.

There are other attributes of the fruit of the Vine but that was what came to mind as I try to explain that the fruit of the Vine is not the people we bring to Christ.

Not sure if I'm communicating my point very well ...

 

[BeyondET]

By "making disciples" do mean bringing people to Christ? If so, I do not agree.

However, I do agree that those who observe the fruit of the Vine in the life of the branch (believer) will be drawn to Christ in order to have the fruit of the Vine in their lives.

In other words, the new believers brought to the Lord are not the fruit of the Vine. The fruit of the Vine is something observable in the life of the believer who abides in the Vine.

And the fruit of the Vine does bring people to Christ. As others see and hear Christ working in the believer, they will be drawn to the Lord.

But the fruit of the Vine is something within the believer which is produced by the Lord. An example would be the peace that Jesus brings to the life of the believer. He promised His peace to us, not the peace of the world (John 14:27). People can see peace in a believer who is abiding in the Lord Jesus Christ. And people want that peace, so they ask about it.

There are other attributes of the fruit of the Vine but that was what came to mind as I try to explain that the fruit of the Vine is not the people we bring to Christ.

Not sure if I'm communicating my point very well ...

Good post, I think it can take time to bare fruit, like a three stage process, the branch buds, then flowers, then fruits. Paul I think might of been a exception to the rule once healed of blindness, he produced fruit right of the gate, there wasn't really a time of transition. It's probably not good to be hesitating about things, like the farmer that grew a tree but it didn't fruit, come back in a year and see if the tree bares fruit.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I think it can take time to bare fruit, like a three stage process, the branch buds, then flowers, then fruits. Paul I think might of been a exception to the rule once healed of blindness, he produced fruit right of the gate, there wasn't really a time of transition. It's probably not good to be hesitating about things, like the farmer that grew a tree but it didn't fruit, come back in a year and see if the tree bares fruit.

Yes, it can take time for fruit to be evidenced. And note in John 15, there is the work of the Husbandman and the Vine. Both work in conjunction with each Other.

And when we look at a vineyard, there are periods of dormancy where there is no fruit.

If/when there are periods of dormancy in our lives, does that mean we are not abiding in the Vine? I do not believe this is the case.

There is time of preparation in a vineyard --- how about in our lives as we are being prepared by Father and our Lord Jesus Christ for something we do not even know about? Outwardly, it may appear that there is no fruit in our lives, but inwardly there is a working going on as the Husbandman cleanses us of impurity and filth of worldly endeavors, and as the Vine nourishes and provides sap. And then ... BAM! Fruit in abundance!!!

I have a vegetable garden in my back yard. A couple of weeks ago, I left the gate to the garden open and my boxers got in there and wreaked havoc. I got home and there were tomatoes all over my patio, two pepper plants were mutilated, one of the cucumber plants was destroyed. I was heartsick when I saw it.

I had to pull the two pepper plants and the cucumber. The tomato plants are fine but there was a setback in the harvest.

What about us as we endure the onslaught of the adversary? Do we sometimes have a temporary interval of lack of observable fruit even though we are being cared for and tended to by Husbandman and Vine, watched over and protected by Them as we endure the attack, resisting and standing fast on God's promises?

 

[BeyondET]

Yes, it can take time for fruit to be evidenced. And note in John 15, there is the work of the Husbandman and the Vine. Both work in conjunction with each Other.

And when we look at a vineyard, there are periods of dormancy where there is no fruit.

If/when there are periods of dormancy in our lives, does that mean we are not abiding in the Vine? I do not believe this is the case.

There is time of preparation in a vineyard --- how about in our lives as we are being prepared by Father and our Lord Jesus Christ for something we do not even know about? Outwardly, it may appear that there is no fruit in our lives, but inwardly there is a working going on as the Husbandman cleanses us of impurity and filth of worldly endeavors, and as the Vine nourishes and provides sap. And then ... BAM! Fruit in abundance!!!

I have a vegetable garden in my back yard. A couple of weeks ago, I left the gate to the garden open and my boxers got in there and wreaked havoc. I got home and there were tomatoes all over my patio, two pepper plants were mutilated, one of the cucumber plants was destroyed. I was heartsick when I saw it.

I had to pull the two pepper plants and the cucumber. The tomato plants are fine but there was a setback in the harvest.

What about us as we endure the onslaught of the adversary? Do we sometimes have a temporary interval of lack of observable fruit even though we are being cared for and tended to by Husbandman and Vine, watched over and protected by Them as we endure the attack, resisting and standing fast on God's promises?

Excellent observation, something I will ponder on for sure.

 

[oldethennew]

MATT. 3:8.
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
10.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which
bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

 

[Meggido]

By "making disciples" do mean bringing people to Christ? If so, I do not agree.

However, I do agree that those who observe the fruit of the Vine in the life of the branch (believer) will be drawn to Christ in order to have the fruit of the Vine in their lives.

In other words, the new believers brought to the Lord are not the fruit of the Vine. The fruit of the Vine is something observable in the life of the believer who abides in the Vine.

And the fruit of the Vine does bring people to Christ. As others see and hear Christ working in the believer, they will be drawn to the Lord.

But the fruit of the Vine is something within the believer which is produced by the Lord. An example would be the peace that Jesus brings to the life of the believer. He promised His peace to us, not the peace of the world (John 14:27). People can see peace in a believer who is abiding in the Lord Jesus Christ. And people want that peace, so they ask about it.

There are other attributes of the fruit of the Vine but that was what came to mind as I try to explain that the fruit of the Vine is not the people we bring to Christ.

Not sure if I'm communicating my point very well ...

Bringing people to Christ is not making disciples.....that is the biggest miss in the Body today...

I know many brought to Christ who were never made disciples and now of the world again....

 

[Meggido]

Good post, I think it can take time to bare fruit, like a three stage process, the branch buds, then flowers, then fruits. Paul I think might of been a exception to the rule once healed of blindness, he produced fruit right of the gate, there wasn't really a time of transition. It's probably not good to be hesitating about things, like the farmer that grew a tree but it didn't fruit, come back in a year and see if the tree bares fruit.

All fruit trees give off the fragrance of their fruit, long before they bear actual fruit...the leaves of most citrus trees are wax coated and smell like an orange, before blossoms/fruit is bore....

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Bringing people to Christ is not making disciples.....that is the biggest miss in the Body today...

I know many brought to Christ who were never made disciples and now of the world again....

What do you mean by "making disciples"?

Here is your statement:

"The fruit is John 15 is not the fruit of the spirit, the fruit in John 15 is about making disciples...."​

 

[Meggido]

What do you mean by "making disciples"?

Here is your statement:

"The fruit is John 15 is not the fruit of the spirit, the fruit in John 15 is about making disciples...."​

why do you think I mean?

Matt 28.18-20

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP]teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

This is not bringing people to Christ.....this is making disciples...

 

[reneweddaybyday]

why do you think I mean?

Matt 28.18-20

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP]teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

This is not bringing people to Christ.....this is making disciples...

And how does Matt 18.18-20 relate to the fruit of abiding in the Vine spoken of in John 15?

Here is the discussion:

Post #10:

In John 15, we read about abiding in the Vine and the Vine bringing forth fruit in our lives.

The word "fruit" is translated from the Greek word karpos.

Here is what HELPS word-studies says about karpos:

2590 karpós – properly, fruit; (figuratively) everything done in true partnership with Christ, i.e. a believer (a branch) lives in union with Christ (the Vine). By definition, fruit (2590 /karpós) results from two life-streams – the Lord living His life through ours – to yield what is eternal (cf. 1 Jn 4:17).​

HELPS Word-studies copyright © 1987, 2011 by Helps Ministries, Inc.



As we abide in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Father carefully tends to our lives, cleansing us of the filth and impurity of this world, and the Lord Jesus Christ infuses our lives with His life.



Another thought --- what is the purpose of the fruit? Do we bear fruit only for ourselves? Or do we bear fruit for the Lord Jesus Christ?

We bear the fruit of our Lord Jesus Christ so that others may see and be drawn to our Lord Jesus Christ. Then He can work in others to bring forth fruit to even more.

Post #23:

The fruit is John 15 is not the fruit of the spirit, the fruit in John 15 is about making disciples....


Fruit of the Spirit is for personal character and the gifts of the Spirit are for ministry...

The main purpose of the Fruit of the Spirit is not for you, it is for others.....especially the less spiritually mature believers, the lost and the unbelieving....

Spiritually mature believers should have very ripe and mature fruit at all times so that the less spiritually mature believers, the lost and the unbelieving can feast off their fruit when they need to...

They need to eat our love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,gentleness and self-control....the fruit has seeds and when a person consumes the seed of the fruit of the Spirit.......I better stop or I will preach myself happy...

Post #31:

By "making disciples" do mean bringing people to Christ? If so, I do not agree.

However, I do agree that those who observe the fruit of the Vine in the life of the branch (believer) will be drawn to Christ in order to have the fruit of the Vine in their lives.

In other words, the new believers brought to the Lord are not the fruit of the Vine. The fruit of the Vine is something observable in the life of the believer who abides in the Vine.

And the fruit of the Vine does bring people to Christ. As others see and hear Christ working in the believer, they will be drawn to the Lord.

But the fruit of the Vine is something within the believer which is produced by the Lord. An example would be the peace that Jesus brings to the life of the believer. He promised His peace to us, not the peace of the world (John 14:27). People can see peace in a believer who is abiding in the Lord Jesus Christ. And people want that peace, so they ask about it.

There are other attributes of the fruit of the Vine but that was what came to mind as I try to explain that the fruit of the Vine is not the people we bring to Christ.

Not sure if I'm communicating my point very well ...

Post #36:

Bringing people to Christ is not making disciples.....that is the biggest miss in the Body today...

I know many brought to Christ who were never made disciples and now of the world again....

Post #38:

What do you mean by "making disciples"?

Here is your statement:

"The fruit is John 15 is not the fruit of the spirit, the fruit in John 15 is about making disciples...."​

Post #39:

why do you think I mean?

Matt 28.18-20

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP]teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

This is not bringing people to Christ.....this is making disciples...

You stated that the fruit of John 15 is about making disciples.

Is that what you believe Father (as Husbandman) and the Lord Jesus Christ (as Vine) works in the life of the believer (branch) --- the fruit of my abiding in the Vine is other believers I bring to the Lord Jesus Christ to the point where they, too, are disciples?