Genesis 2:23 -pa`am (Strongs H6471)
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If day or "yom" can be interpreted as "a period of time", in which most scholar agree (even YEers), then I see no problem. Moses was making the creation account something we could easily remember by steps, or phases, or order of How God did it. I don't think it was ever intended to give us a time frame. This order God used for us to mark our weeks by and more importantly demonstrate His plan of restoration. And like I said before, the 7th day is still going on, God is still resting. On the 8th day, God will come again and remake everything anew, a new heaven and earth just like He did on the 1st day (but it will be drastically different the second time).
You are trying to force an idea into the text that neither the language nor the context will support. Never try to make scripture agree with you theology. Instead, always allow the language of the text to formulate you theology. Never begin with an idea. Always begin with the grammatical structure. THIS is revelation.
Perhaps not. But allow me if you will to offer you this bit of advice that will go a long way in helping you in any study of scripture.
Never begin by assuming anything about any text.
Never be guilty of bringing anything of our own into the text.
Always approach each text as if you know absolutely nothing about what the text is going to say and allow the text alone to instruct your mind.
Never pit one text against another.
Never allow yourself to engage in grammatical manipulation in an attempt to make the text agree with an already accepted theology.
Never allow ANY outside sources to influence our reading of the text.
Never begin by assuming anything about any text.
Never be guilty of bringing anything of our own into the text.
Always approach each text as if you know absolutely nothing about what the text is going to say and allow the text alone to instruct your mind.
Never pit one text against another.
Never allow yourself to engage in grammatical manipulation in an attempt to make the text agree with an already accepted theology.
Never allow ANY outside sources to influence our reading of the text.
At the end of a shift, when the hands on the clock strikes at closing time, some workers will say, " Finally at last, the day has ended." But it only has been eight hours when they had started their work. I don't think it was a century that has went by while they were working. Even at graduation day, many has said, "at last it is over". That phrase is use a lot for certain periods of time. And I believe that some people even have said that after using the toilet.
Are you say that my KJV+ is wrong?
Gen_26:8 And it came to pass,H1961 whenH3588 he had been thereH8033 a longH748 time,H3117 that AbimelechH40 kingH4428 of the PhilistinesH6430 looked outH8259 atH1157 a window,H2474 and saw,H7200 and, behold,H2009 IsaacH3327 was sportingH6711 with(H853) RebekahH7259 his wife.H802
Num_20:15 How our fathersH1 went downH3381 into Egypt,H4714 and we have dweltH3427 in EgyptH4714 a longH7227 time;H3117 and the EgyptiansH4714 vexedH7489 us, and our fathers:H1
Deu_20:19 WhenH3588 thou shalt besiegeH6696 H413 a cityH5892 a longH7227 time,H3117 in making warH3898 againstH5921 it to takeH8610 it, thou shalt notH3808 destroyH7843 (H853) the treesH6086 thereof by forcingH5080 an axeH1631 againstH5921 them: forH3588 thou mayest eatH398 ofH4480 them, and thou shalt notH3808 cut them downH3772 (H853) (forH3588 the treeH6086 of the fieldH7704 is man'sH120 life) to employH935 H4480 H6440 them in the siege:H4692
Jos_11:18 JoshuaH3091 madeH6213 warH4421 a longH7227 timeH3117 withH854 allH3605 thoseH428 kings.H4428
Jos_23:1 And it came to passH1961 a longH7227 timeH4480 H3117 afterH310 thatH834 the LORDH3068 had given restH5117 unto IsraelH3478 from allH4480 H3605 their enemiesH341 round about,H4480 H5439 that JoshuaH3091 waxed oldH2204 and strickenH935 in age.H3117
2Sa_14:2 And JoabH3097 sentH7971 to Tekoah,H8620 and fetchedH3947 thenceH4480 H8033 a wiseH2450 woman,H802 and saidH559 untoH413 her, I pray thee,H4994 feign thyself to be a mourner,H56 and put onH3847 nowH4994 mourningH60 apparel,H899 and anointH5480 notH408 thyself with oil,H8081 but beH1961 as a womanH802 thatH2088 had a longH7227 timeH3117 mournedH56 forH5921 the dead:H4191
H3117 is yom, is it not?
Gen_26:8 And it came to pass,H1961 whenH3588 he had been thereH8033 a longH748 time,H3117 that AbimelechH40 kingH4428 of the PhilistinesH6430 looked outH8259 atH1157 a window,H2474 and saw,H7200 and, behold,H2009 IsaacH3327 was sportingH6711 with(H853) RebekahH7259 his wife.H802
Num_20:15 How our fathersH1 went downH3381 into Egypt,H4714 and we have dweltH3427 in EgyptH4714 a longH7227 time;H3117 and the EgyptiansH4714 vexedH7489 us, and our fathers:H1
Deu_20:19 WhenH3588 thou shalt besiegeH6696 H413 a cityH5892 a longH7227 time,H3117 in making warH3898 againstH5921 it to takeH8610 it, thou shalt notH3808 destroyH7843 (H853) the treesH6086 thereof by forcingH5080 an axeH1631 againstH5921 them: forH3588 thou mayest eatH398 ofH4480 them, and thou shalt notH3808 cut them downH3772 (H853) (forH3588 the treeH6086 of the fieldH7704 is man'sH120 life) to employH935 H4480 H6440 them in the siege:H4692
Jos_11:18 JoshuaH3091 madeH6213 warH4421 a longH7227 timeH3117 withH854 allH3605 thoseH428 kings.H4428
Jos_23:1 And it came to passH1961 a longH7227 timeH4480 H3117 afterH310 thatH834 the LORDH3068 had given restH5117 unto IsraelH3478 from allH4480 H3605 their enemiesH341 round about,H4480 H5439 that JoshuaH3091 waxed oldH2204 and strickenH935 in age.H3117
2Sa_14:2 And JoabH3097 sentH7971 to Tekoah,H8620 and fetchedH3947 thenceH4480 H8033 a wiseH2450 woman,H802 and saidH559 untoH413 her, I pray thee,H4994 feign thyself to be a mourner,H56 and put onH3847 nowH4994 mourningH60 apparel,H899 and anointH5480 notH408 thyself with oil,H8081 but beH1961 as a womanH802 thatH2088 had a longH7227 timeH3117 mournedH56 forH5921 the dead:H4191
H3117 is yom, is it not?
Gen. 26:8 - ’ā·rə·ḵū hay·yā·mîm, - a long time.
Num. 20:15 - yā·mîm rab·bîm - a long time.
Deu_20:19 - yā·mîm rab·bîm - a long time.
Jos_11:18 - yā·mîm rab·bîm - a long time.
Jos_23:1 - mî·yā·mîm rab·bîm, - many days.
2Sa_14:2 - yā·mîm rab·bîm - many days.
Through out the entire first chapter of genesis the word that is repeatedly used is - yō·wm - a day. Any time this word is used to designate more than one day (24 hours) it is always so qualified as in forty days, fifty days, etc. See all the examples in Gen chapters 7 and 8. This is the same word used in Genesis 27:45 "Why should I lose both of you in one day?" or Genesis 33:13 "If they are driven hard just one day, all the animals will die." There are numerous example of this structure. If Genesis 1 had meant to imply an extended period of time that reaches beyond the definition of a 24hour period why does the Holy Spirit not use the same grammatical structure he does everywhere else to so designate it? The text means just exactly what the grammatical structure says it means.
I don't have a number. I was just getting them from my Hebrew text. I went back and looed up some of these passages in the KJV and the translation agrees exactly with the definition of the words I gave you from the Hebrew. I am sure you can look these words up in either Strong's, Englishman's, Brown-Driver-Briggs, or NASAC if you have any questions about the use of the words.
Even if its a 24 hour day, or 12 hour day (which evening to morning would imply), the text does not imply that these creation days are consecutive, meaning that their could have been non creations days between the creation days. For example, God created the heavens and earth the first creation day, then many days follow without anything being created. And then next day God created .... as so on...BTW, the second day never said God created anything, only that ( "Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” [SUP]7 [/SUP]So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so. [SUP]8 [/SUP]God called the dome Sky" ) He manipulated and rearranged what was already created the 1st day, But it was a work in and with His creation nevertheless.
Also, if Moses wanted to imply a long period of time for each day, what Hebrew word could he have used instead of 'yom"?
Also, if Moses wanted to imply a long period of time for each day, what Hebrew word could he have used instead of 'yom"?
I'm not meaning to say that God created things over a long period of time and then called it a day. So I'm not arguing that God didn't make these things in one 24 day or even a nano sec in that one day (which is what probably like it), He spoke it and it was there...But that when Moses called it a day, he meant back in time when God spoke into existence. I don't believe it took God billions of years to created the universe heavens and earth, but that He did it back in the day that was in billions of years. And that's how I would read yom in Genesis 2:4 also.
But this is not the definition of yowm. As you say, you are reading this definition into the word. It seems you are having trouble coming to grips with the complexity of creation being collapsed into six 24 hour periods because you cannot harmonize the idea with your understand of natural process. The problem is quite simple. You cannot explain non-natural events on the basis of natural process. Creation was a non-natural event that cannot be understood within the confines of observable data. This is true of all miraculous events. One cannot explain Israel's crossing of the Res Sea on the basis of naturally occurring process though many continue to try. This too was a non-natural event that will never conform to our concept of how things work in the "real" world.
No not at all, I Have a problem with natural processes as much or even more then YE creationists. What I have a problem with Christians not understanding Romans 1:20 ( God's invisible attributes are clearly seen by the things which he has made ) and Hebrews 6:18 (it is impossible for God to lie) and fact that YEers, 6 day 24 hour literalist want interpret Genesis 1 without considering it is written in poetic fashion. There is true evidence, that can't be tampered with, such as ice cores, tree rings, star light in billions of lightyears and much more. So either God created this earth and universe with an appearance of age and wants to tell it's young, which would be a lie or we aren't interpreting the meaning of Yom right. That yom or Day could be a reference to a time when God did the work and that work He did do was in steps or a curtain order, very much like how we work today in our daylight hours. Back in the day, human work begun at sunrise and was done when the sun went down, but the 24 hour day was my no means over.
My interpretation Gen. 1 agrees more with the other biblical creation account passages, save maybe exist 20:11, when God uses the phrases age-old, ancient, enduring and long ago for example Habakkuk 3:6, Micah 6:2 , and 2 Peter 3:5 ...Also the bible does not say specifically that these Genesis 1 days are 24 hours days, so you and others also read that into the text as much as I read it as being steps or God's work days. You know that favorite passage the pre-trib/pre-mill love use, that 1 days is like 1000 years to God. But is ok when you apply that to your own theological view point for that, isn't it?
Habakkuk 3:6, I'm you won't take this in a wooden literal sense.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]When he stands up, the earth shakes;
when he looks, the nations tremble,
the eternal mountains are smashed to pieces,
the ancient hills sink down;
the ancient paths are his.
My interpretation Gen. 1 agrees more with the other biblical creation account passages, save maybe exist 20:11, when God uses the phrases age-old, ancient, enduring and long ago for example Habakkuk 3:6, Micah 6:2 , and 2 Peter 3:5 ...Also the bible does not say specifically that these Genesis 1 days are 24 hours days, so you and others also read that into the text as much as I read it as being steps or God's work days. You know that favorite passage the pre-trib/pre-mill love use, that 1 days is like 1000 years to God. But is ok when you apply that to your own theological view point for that, isn't it?
Habakkuk 3:6, I'm you won't take this in a wooden literal sense.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]When he stands up, the earth shakes;
when he looks, the nations tremble,
the eternal mountains are smashed to pieces,
the ancient hills sink down;
the ancient paths are his.
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