Gifts - Tongues and the Interpretation of Tongues

[atwhatcost]

I we are all born again Christians and are all like one another, then if God wanted us to speak in gibberish He would have made it a commandment for ALL His believers, not just some, to pray in tongues.

Cute. Silly, inaccurate, condescending, but cute.

 

[atwhatcost]

The gift of Tongue is a important gift for every believer. In fact it is so important that it is the first gift the Holy Spirit gives to a believer, immediately He fills the believer (Acts 2-12). But unfortunately, many believers are missing out of the immense benefit of this awesome gift of the Spirit as a result of unbelief.

Now contrary to your suggestion that the gift of tongues is insignificant, I want to prove to you that the gift of Tongues is very much as important as other gifts. And I'm going to do that with my personal testimonies...

By the operation of the gift of Tongues in my life, the sins I used to struggle with, I now overcome them cheaply. In short, on one of such occasions, I was attacked by a very strong spirit of lust towards a sister I was prospecting to be my wife. Then by the leading of the Holy Spirit, as I engaged violently in speaking with other Tongues, I received an instant deliverance that made the lady seem like every other person to me, the next time I saw her.

Just last month here (May) as I prayed in other Tongues, I got a leading by the Holy Spirit, to pray for my friend who was sick over the phone, and as I prayed for him, he was instantly healed. Also the same last month, I was praying out loud in other tongues in my house, and as my neighbor overheard me, she placed her hand where she was having pains and was shouting amen, each time I concluded my Tongues prayer with the name of Jesus. And by daybreak, she was totally healed of the pains.

Some time back, I was given a fairly used Laptop as a gift, and it had challenge with the flex. But then, I didn't have any money to take it for repair, so I prayed in understanding, then in other Tongues and the Laptop worked for up to one year.

I can go on and on, giving you the testimony of the Lord which I got as result of taking God at his word and speaking in Tongues by faith.

Then for the Interpretation, The Apostle Paul said, if we speak in Tongues, we should also ask for the gift of interpretation. I asked and I received it by faith. And from time to time, as I pray in tongues, I open my mouth in faith for the interpretation, and I do get great messages from God through the Interpretations. Then at some other time, as I minister to some people, and they are attacking me with questions, as I speak in Tongues, the Holy Spirit inspires me with the right words and scriptures to reply back to them. And of course, many of those inspired replies are the interpretations.

You see many people have the gift of Tongues and Interpretation in them, but because of unbelief and religion they are not able to appropriate them for their profiting. And I think it is so because they don't believe they are achieving anything as they don't understand what they speak. And also the interpretation follows the same pattern as the Tongue itself. The interpretation of tongues is the prophetic inspiration you receive, when and after speaking in tongues.

And many a time, people do interpret, but they do not know, they are interpreting. When you say something edifying that you did not premeditate, after speaking in tongue, that's the interpretation.

To learn more about this topic, get Kenneth E. Hagins Book: "Tongues Beyond The Upper Room"

Really? And all this time I thought the important gifts were teaching and evangelism.

 

[atwhatcost]

Ditto ... much to everyone's relief, I'm sure.

Dang it! Should have taken this as a sign to stay out.

Better late, then never. Well, maybe in this case, never would have been the smarter move.

 

[FancyNancy]

If your not baptised in the spirit your not saved, water never saved anyone,

This isn't about water baptism, and of course it doesn't save. People who experience the baptism of the Holy Spirit are already saved.

The gift of tongues or any gift does not come from baptism, it comes from the anointing (God in us) of the spirit

No one has ever said it does. The baptism of the Holy Spirit IS His anointing.

 

[FancyNancy]

The "problem" with your position is that it reads into the passage a bias to support a preconceived outcome. It's just not there no matter how much you want it to be. The Holy Spirit always leads into the truth.

For or the cause of Christ
Roger

I have no problem. Actually there is no bias except toward the truth of scripture. If you want to deny the gift of tongues for the people of God, then you miss out on a specific kind of blessing because of your own bias. God isn't about to tie you up and force you to accept His gifts. If you want them, they are available to you.

 

[notuptome]

This isn't about water baptism, and of course it doesn't save. People who experience the baptism of the Holy Spirit are already saved.
No one has ever said it does. The baptism of the Holy Spirit IS His anointing.

Carelessness in studying the scriptures yields this kind of believer. Baptism of the Holy Spirit happens only one time. It happens the moment a soul is saved by grace through faith. The Holy Spirit baptism seals that soul unto the day of redemption. John 20 Jesus breathed upon the disciples the Holy Spirit.

There are many fillings of the Holy Spirit in the believers life. Acts 2 is an example of the Holy Spirit filling the disciples at Pentecost. Stephen was so filled when he was murdered for preaching the gospel to the Jews.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

I have no problem. Actually there is no bias except toward the truth of scripture. If you want to deny the gift of tongues for the people of God, then you miss out on a specific kind of blessing because of your own bias. God isn't about to tie you up and force you to accept His gifts. If you want them, they are available to you.

All of the gifts except the three sign gifts ending in 13:8 of 1 Corinthians.

Doesn't matter how much you want something if God is withholding it for a special purpose you will be required to wait. Lucifer said "I will" Jesus said not My will but Thy will be done.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[FancyNancy]

All of the gifts except the three sign gifts ending in 13:8 of 1 Corinthians.

Doesn't matter how much you want something if God is withholding it for a special purpose you will be required to wait. Lucifer said "I will" Jesus said not My will but Thy will be done.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Where is your proof? I see all the gifts being exercised today.

1 Corinthians 13:8 says:
Prophecy and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge will become useless. But love will last forever!

It doesn't say when, but in your unbelief, you expect it is now. I think it is you who has some wishful thinking going on. Did you know that unbelief is evil to God?

Hebrews 3:12
Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This isn't about water baptism, and of course it doesn't save. People who experience the baptism of the Holy Spirit are already saved.

I know it is not It is about what saves us, The baptism of the HS is what washes us and makes us clean, it is the washing of regeneration and renewal of the HS spoken of by paul, it is the baptism into Christ spoken of by Paul.

I was not trying to mock you or anything, I was just trying to show a common misconception of what the baptism of the spirit really is.

No one has ever said it does. The baptism of the Holy Spirit IS His anointing.

No it is not. Those are two different terms with two totally different meanings.

 

[FancyNancy]

I know it is not It is about what saves us, The baptism of the HS is what washes us and makes us clean, it is the washing of regeneration and renewal of the HS spoken of by paul, it is the baptism into Christ spoken of by Paul.

Actually, it is the blood of Jesus that washes us clean, and that is by our faith in Him. It is the baptism of the Holy Spirit that gives us His great anointing to be able to live the life He has called us to with ease and good success.

I was not trying to mock you or anything, I was just trying to show a common misconception of what the baptism of the spirit really is.

Well, dear, you have only shown your own misconception.

No it is not. Those are two different terms with two totally different meanings.

You're mistaken.

 

[notuptome]

Where is your proof? I see all the gifts being exercised today.

1 Corinthians 13:8 says:
Prophecy and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge will become useless. But love will last forever!

It doesn't say when, but in your unbelief, you expect it is now. I think it is you who has some wishful thinking going on. Did you know that unbelief is evil to God?

Hebrews 3:12
Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;

Three ended with the completion of the bible.

We are in the church age or the times of the Gentiles. The signs will return at the end of the age and this time they will include signs in the heavens as foretold by Joel.

What you call unbelief is belief in what the scriptures teach not in what the corrupt heart of flesh desires.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

You're mistaken.

Actually you are in error. The Greek clearly demonstrates that it is the filling of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 not a baptism. Two completely different words. Peter was filled with the Holy Spirit and that is the way my English bible translates it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[FancyNancy]

Actually you are in error. The Greek clearly demonstrates that it is the filling of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 not a baptism. Two completely different words. Peter was filled with the Holy Spirit and that is the way my English bible translates it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a separate infilling of His anointing and power. You've clearly assumed the wrong thing. You need to study Acts.

 

[FancyNancy]

Three ended with the completion of the bible.

That is the false doctrine of cessationism. It's core is unbelief in the word of God.

We are in the church age or the times of the Gentiles. The signs will return at the end of the age and this time they will include signs in the heavens as foretold by Joel.

The signs are with us, in this age as foretold by Joel.

What you call unbelief is belief in what the scriptures teach not in what the corrupt heart of flesh desires.

It is those who have been corrupted by unbelief that fall for the lie of cessationism.

 

[notuptome]

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a separate infilling of His anointing and power. You've clearly assumed the wrong thing. You need to study Acts.

You argue out of ignorance of the what the original languages teach.

Filled is pletho in the Greek seen in Acts 2. Bapto and "baptizo" are Greek terms used for baptism one for water and the other for Holy Spirit.

A Strongs concordance can be obtained online and supply ready references for these terms.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

That is the false doctrine of cessationism. It's core is unbelief in the word of God.



The signs are with us, in this age as foretold by Joel.



It is those who have been corrupted by unbelief that fall for the lie of cessationism.

Now you begin to shame yourself for want of knowledge.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[FancyNancy]

Now you begin to shame yourself for want of knowledge.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The shameful denial of the Lord's precious gifts to His Church is pretty blasphemous. Unbelief won't help you change your mind and heart toward Him. You are making the Lord have to convince you, rather than you having an open heart toward His plain word. While countless believers are enjoying the Lord, exercising this gift and receiving from Him, you are missing out.

In the end, you will have to repent.

 

[notuptome]

The shameful denial of the Lord's precious gifts to His Church is pretty blasphemous. Unbelief won't help you change your mind and heart toward Him. You are making the Lord have to convince you, rather than you having an open heart toward His plain word. While countless believers are enjoying the Lord, exercising this gift and receiving from Him, you are missing out.

In the end, you will have to repent.

What is shameful is when confronted with facts you simply ignore them and go on with a personal attack.

John 4:32 Jesus told His disciple that He had meat to eat that they knew not of. So it is with the Pentecostal charismatic crowd. They claim blessing but really do not know what blessings God has for those who are faithful to His word.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[know1]

So #3 in my "Gifts" series is "Tongues", I believe this one is the most controversial of the lot. Some claim to have this gift, others don't and some believe it's all false brought about by the Charismatics - oh we do love to beat-up the Charismatics on CC don't we? Ahem sorry a little bit of sarcasm crept in there.

I don't speak in tongues and in Paul's first letter to the Corinthians he does seem to suggest it's the least important of the gifts. He also suggests that when tongues is spoken in public there should be an interpreter present yet I have never heard of anyone with the gift of interpretation? Has anyone here on CC? I don't believe that everyone who claims to have this gift is genuine and those who do often use it for their own reasons rather than how I think it should be used. Tongues seems to me to be the most abundant of the gifts, I do not see too many of the other gifts in action anywhere near as often. Some seemingly good Christians do not have the ability to speak in tongues - many do. I wonder why God blesses some with this gift whilst "denying" others and actually what purpose does it serve anyway?

Just a few of my thoughts...over to you.

I don't know if it has been mentioned or not, but there is more than one kind of tongues. I don't mean languages, but types of tongues written in the bible and experienced.
But first I would like to caution those who are foolish enough to say that tongues is of the devil, that you would be wise to keep a still tongue. If tongues is of God and you call it of the devil, do you think you would be exempt from being in danger of hell, when they did the same thing to Jesus, calling the Spirit of God that was doing the work, a devil? The unpardonable sin is not rejecting Christ, but calling the Spirit of Christ, a devil. If tongues is of the Spirit of God, which it is, as it is written, then you are saying that the Spirit in the child of God is of the devil.
Just because you have not experienced it, nor understood what is written, doesn't make it a fact or a truth of God.
There are in fact at least two different kinds or types of tongues that I know of that are written in scriptures.
One is a gift and the one speaking in church to the body of Christ is doing so by the Spirit of God. This is not the person speaking but the Holy Ghost, as said in Mk 13:11.
As for the interpreter, it would be just like the people at Babel. Though it be in another language, and sound like gibberish to the unbelievers, which includes the doubting so called Christians, the person interpreting will understand and know what was said as though it were spoken in a language that they did understand and know.
The other kind of tongues that I know of is not a gift as written above, but it is like that of salvation. Anyone and everyone can have and do it.
And unlike the tongues written above, the other tongues is done so by your spirit man, and rather than speaking to and edifying the church through the Spirit, you are edifying yourself while speaking to the Father by your spirit.
One is from the Holy Ghost, the other is from your new spirit man.

 

[Gr8grace]

But first I would like to caution those who are foolish enough to say that tongues is of the devil, that you would be wise to keep a still tongue. If tongues is of God and you call it of the devil, do you think you would be exempt from being in danger of hell,

Oh, what the heck notuptome. I will jump in for a bit and get beat up for a while!

biblical Tongues ceased in 70A.D. at the fall of Jerusalem. Tongues(foreign language) were a sign to the unbelieving Jews(this people), warning them of their impending 5th cycle of discipline.

The tongues we see today come from 2 areas.

Emotions

Demonic.

And my salvation is still intact for saying and believing this.