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It is sad one would say that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit recorded in 1cor 12, 13, 14 "Demonic." and i would not say anything about your salvation. Just a question for you? if Tongues as you say ceased in 70 AD. The why do we read in 1cor 12, 13, 14 to be limited ? and if Tongues is no longer needed why then would they be listed as a " gift of the Holy Spirit" in 1cor 12, 13, 14 ?. And you can believe what ever you like but please answer that question for me and try not to be insulting when doing so thank you
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Here in the deep south we have many Pentecostal churches. I have attended several where tongues were being interpreted. I have yet to see "ou gar apesteilen o qeoV ton uion eiV ton kosmon ina krinh ton kosmon all ina swqh o kosmoV di autou", when spoken, properly interpreted. I also have yet to see it not interpreted as something.
I have, however, had a person who spoke little English, tell me that he heard the entire message in his native language.
Do I believe that we still have the gift of tongues? Without a doubt. I also believe that the gibberish that I heard both spoken and interpreted in the Pentecostal churches that I've attended, was just gibberish. Is it edifying? I've seen many very happy people the services.
I have, however, had a person who spoke little English, tell me that he heard the entire message in his native language.
Do I believe that we still have the gift of tongues? Without a doubt. I also believe that the gibberish that I heard both spoken and interpreted in the Pentecostal churches that I've attended, was just gibberish. Is it edifying? I've seen many very happy people the services.
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There is absolutely no scriptural evidence to support these false theories floating around that tongues have ceased.......
People who do this constantly misuse scriptures and what they have been told by another individual and have accepted it as fact even though the bible does not support it.
I have heard things such as Jesus dying on the cross caused them to cease, which is not true because the Apostle Paul continued after this to state the gift of tongues still existed and will be given to some believers.
I also have heard the constant misuse of 1 Corinthians 13:10.....
The context of the whole chapter is about love, but for some reason people still want to interject the bible/scriptures into verse 10 which does not fit. Being as the whole context of the chapter is love, then that which is perfect comes can only refer to perfect love in the world.
There is still way to much evil, hatred, malice, and sin in the world for perfect love to exist yet.
We know by scriptures that perfect love does not happen tell the New Jerusalem comes down on the New Earth.
To deny the gifts of the Holy Spirit is part of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit !!!
People who do this constantly misuse scriptures and what they have been told by another individual and have accepted it as fact even though the bible does not support it.
I have heard things such as Jesus dying on the cross caused them to cease, which is not true because the Apostle Paul continued after this to state the gift of tongues still existed and will be given to some believers.
I also have heard the constant misuse of 1 Corinthians 13:10.....
The context of the whole chapter is about love, but for some reason people still want to interject the bible/scriptures into verse 10 which does not fit. Being as the whole context of the chapter is love, then that which is perfect comes can only refer to perfect love in the world.
There is still way to much evil, hatred, malice, and sin in the world for perfect love to exist yet.
We know by scriptures that perfect love does not happen tell the New Jerusalem comes down on the New Earth.
To deny the gifts of the Holy Spirit is part of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit !!!
Prove it.
Nonsense. When God speaks to the congregation in tongues, His message is to them and the unbelievers among them are witness to the sign.
The antagonism against the Holy Spirit's working in His people is from a demonic source, and emotionally based fear. I find it incredible that people who claim to be born again are not caring a whit about what the truth is, but are following someone else, or their own faulty emotional compass, knowing full well that there are millions of born again Christians who are walking in these gifts daily. It's denial of the very worst kind, because there it is, right in front of your face, and you still deny it.
Nonsense. When God speaks to the congregation in tongues, His message is to them and the unbelievers among them are witness to the sign.
The antagonism against the Holy Spirit's working in His people is from a demonic source, and emotionally based fear. I find it incredible that people who claim to be born again are not caring a whit about what the truth is, but are following someone else, or their own faulty emotional compass, knowing full well that there are millions of born again Christians who are walking in these gifts daily. It's denial of the very worst kind, because there it is, right in front of your face, and you still deny it.
Roger, you better check your Bible, the word upon is also used in the NT not just the OT. Below is just one verse in many in teh NT where the Holy Spirit came upon believers. ANy real student of the word would know and be able to discern between the 2 words used in the NT to describe the Holy Spirit's dual ministry in the lives of a believer, those words found in teh NT are wihtin and upon.
Acts 1.8:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”
Furthermore,
If you and others do not believe in the things presented in this thread then ALL OF YOU, please consider leaving the thread or placing us on ignore and stop posting. It is not the intention of the OP to frustrate you or those of us that have a differing belief.
I will state the only ones getting rude are you. Nobody need you or others to save us from our viewpoints.
We love all of you, but I think it would simply be best if you stopped posting or ignored us.
I called you a Thug because you are. Without invitation or understanding you barge in and call everyone a liar. and damn us to hell. Funny thing is Peter and the 12 went through the same thing with the religious thugs back in their day.
I suppose if we were face to face you would have a bucket full of stones as well.
Acts 1.8:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”
Furthermore,
If you and others do not believe in the things presented in this thread then ALL OF YOU, please consider leaving the thread or placing us on ignore and stop posting. It is not the intention of the OP to frustrate you or those of us that have a differing belief.
I will state the only ones getting rude are you. Nobody need you or others to save us from our viewpoints.
We love all of you, but I think it would simply be best if you stopped posting or ignored us.
I called you a Thug because you are. Without invitation or understanding you barge in and call everyone a liar. and damn us to hell. Funny thing is Peter and the 12 went through the same thing with the religious thugs back in their day.
I suppose if we were face to face you would have a bucket full of stones as well.
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It is sad one would say that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit recorded in 1cor 12, 13, 14 "Demonic." and i would not say anything about your salvation. Just a question for you? if Tongues as you say ceased in 70 AD. The why do we read in 1cor 12, 13, 14 to be limited ? and if Tongues is no longer needed why then would they be listed as a " gift of the Holy Spirit" in 1cor 12, 13, 14 ?. And you can believe what ever you like but please answer that question for me and try not to be insulting when doing so thank you .
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When Paul wrote Cor. there was still about 15 years left until the destruction of Jerusalem.
In Isaiah, they Lord told "this people" that they will be witnessed to by men of stammering lips(tongues)
"this people" Is Israel,the Jews. It was to a specific group of people. The unbelieving Jew. Paul quotes this in Corinthians.
And in 70 A.D. Jerusalem fell, and Israel(this people) were dispersed as a nation.
And please, I don't get upset with this subject. Please read what I write. Because you already misread what I said in my first post.
BIBLICAL tongues have ceased~~They were not emotional or demonic.
The tongues we see today are either from emotions or they are demonic.
Tongues were for a very specific group of people.....the unbelieving Jew.
Well bub its an open forum so everyone is invited to participate. Perhaps you prefer a cloistered environment where your views will not be examined in the light of day.
It is not you I'm concerned about but others who lurk and are not yet persuaded in this matter.
If you feel condemned it is not from me but your relationship to the word of God. The Holy Spirit brings conviction and draws men to Christ.
Face to face you would not have the boldness to say what you say here. We would have a much better opportunity to open Gods word and reason from the scriptures why the Pentecostal and charismatic movements are not of God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
It is not you I'm concerned about but others who lurk and are not yet persuaded in this matter.
If you feel condemned it is not from me but your relationship to the word of God. The Holy Spirit brings conviction and draws men to Christ.
Face to face you would not have the boldness to say what you say here. We would have a much better opportunity to open Gods word and reason from the scriptures why the Pentecostal and charismatic movements are not of God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yo Gracey, the same thing applies to you that I have been telling roger dodger, place us on ignore, if you do not like our views! We do not want nor need your input. Pray for us if you like, but cease and desist from getting personal.
I had to take you off ignore to post this and now you are back on ignore.
Its easy gracey, just put us on ignore. You make the same request and I obliged, now be a MAN and do likewise.
The attacks that i see on this tread is very sad. Much of what is stated could be seen as one side or the other in context to the topic. saying tongues is gibberish when the word is Glossalalia which is the term for speaking in tongues is opinionated and not shown as correct in the Bible. To speak about something one is ignorant too is not blasphemy. The Bible in 1cor 14:38 "But if any man be ignorant let him be ignorant." We are not seen as right if we who are Spirit Filled attack back to a person who is immature or unlearned. We are to let them be. Pray for them and leave them alone because it does no good for the gifts of the Holy Spirit to those who maybe seeking as the Lord leads. the person said they are saved and I believe the lord will help them.
And I have witnessed men like you get physically knocked on their prideful posteriors by the anointing!
You think your my first rodeo Rog? You have a pretty high opinion of yourself.
You are so flustered you seem like you need to gnash your teeth, rip your shirt and throw a stone or 2.
Tell ya what, go outside find a pond,gnash on some beef jerky, rip the shirt and skip a few rocks and tell God all about it.
You think your my first rodeo Rog? You have a pretty high opinion of yourself.
You are so flustered you seem like you need to gnash your teeth, rip your shirt and throw a stone or 2.
Tell ya what, go outside find a pond,gnash on some beef jerky, rip the shirt and skip a few rocks and tell God all about it.
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Your right, it is the blood of jesus, but how is that blood applied to us?
Paul says in roms 6, we were baptized into his death and burial. This is baptism of the spirit. where our sins are washed away.
in 1 cor 12, Paul says we were baptized into Christ. This is baptism of the spirit.
Paul says in col. our spiritual baptism is the circumcision done by the hands of God not men this is baptism of the spirit.
John the baptist said he will baptize with the HS and fire. this is baptism of the spirit.
No. I am trying to show you the truth. But it seems you have no desire to hear.
lol. ok if you think so.
Baptizo (from whence the term comes) means to immerse into. or to plung unt. it means to die, and was used by the jews to represent spiritual cleansings.
when we think of the word annoint, we think of a priest pouring a holy oil over our heads to annoint us, (especially in the OT. This is representative of the HS comming into us. Jesus was annointed when the spirit of God descended as a dove and came into him.
We also see this in the OT priesthood. the priest was washed first (this represents baptism of the spirit. Finally, he was annointed with the Holy Oil. This is representative of the annointing of the spirit.
The baptism of the spirit is where we are cleaned, and our sins are washed away.
The annointing of the spirit is where the spirit comes into us, seals us, teaches us, and gives us differing gifts.
I am sorry, but your church has mislead you
See I haven't accused you of such things but you appear quite boastful in this post.
Do not underestimate the ability of Lucifer to give those who seek great wonders some wonders to deceive them. Lucifer can appear as an angel of light.
I've seen some really hard men broken when the Holy Spirit convicted them of their sin, Gods righteousness and Gods judgment upon sin. The Holy Spirit puts them face down before the altar of God and deals with them in great mercy.
I fear many run around touting things they know little to nothing about.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Do not underestimate the ability of Lucifer to give those who seek great wonders some wonders to deceive them. Lucifer can appear as an angel of light.
I've seen some really hard men broken when the Holy Spirit convicted them of their sin, Gods righteousness and Gods judgment upon sin. The Holy Spirit puts them face down before the altar of God and deals with them in great mercy.
I fear many run around touting things they know little to nothing about.
For the cause of Christ
Roger