Amen, I'm sorry but there is NO compromising TRUTH, truth is truth no matter who likes it, and if I say 2+2=37 then I am wrong. If someone ask my "Is Jesus the only way?" and I don't say YES then I am wrong. There is no middle. You are hot or cold, lukewarm is what again? Look I know these are nice people, and think no body should judge anyone else, yet your position is self defeating. When they say that they don't realize they are judging people for judging, it's illogical, this whole God is ONLY love idea is 100% false. You only love half God?
Give us these kind of men
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Titus 1:7For the overseer must be above reproach as God’s steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, 8but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled, 9holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict. 10For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision,11who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain. 12One of themselves, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” 13This testimony is true. For this reason reprove them severely so that they may be sound in the faith, 14not paying attention to Jewish myths and commandments of men who turn away from the truth. 15To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled. 16They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.
The funny thing here is this: Depleted had a thread and misapplied Matthew 18 saying where 2 or 3 gather, that it is a church, and then claimed CC is a church with her faulty run-away "logic". She then was looking for volunteers to "church" discipline a forum member that she had a problem with. Some said the member treated her maybe the way she treats others and she wanted him discipline - lol!
I set the record straight on that this isn't a church and is probably what made her mad. Someone showed her what was "right" now she thinks that is the major objective, being right and is trying to make it appear bad. But, in a sense there is that mandate, so it is not all wrong - 2 Timothy 2:15. But her reaction shows, yet again, people won't endure sound doctrine, and saying someone is "just trying to be right" reflects that. It's a cop out and an excuse of someone tiring of truth, and giving up enduring sound doctrine. There are many examples of this.
But you know, let all the juveniles attack. The truth has been represented in the face of heresy exposing Osteen, his wife and WoF error. God's sheep will listen and the goats will inevitably go "But, but, but...!!!!" at the truth.
I set the record straight on that this isn't a church and is probably what made her mad. Someone showed her what was "right" now she thinks that is the major objective, being right and is trying to make it appear bad. But, in a sense there is that mandate, so it is not all wrong - 2 Timothy 2:15. But her reaction shows, yet again, people won't endure sound doctrine, and saying someone is "just trying to be right" reflects that. It's a cop out and an excuse of someone tiring of truth, and giving up enduring sound doctrine. There are many examples of this.
But you know, let all the juveniles attack. The truth has been represented in the face of heresy exposing Osteen, his wife and WoF error. God's sheep will listen and the goats will inevitably go "But, but, but...!!!!" at the truth.
As you can see when we look at scripture in context. Paul is writing to Titus & Timothy - a spiritual authority placed in the local church put in there by the Holy Spirit.
Each letter to Timothy and Titus is a private letter addressed to these spiritual leaders on how to handle things in their local church. We can learn from these letters but they are NOT addressed to the whole church themselves at the local assembly where Timothy and Titus were.
This is why Paul mentioned to Timothy that he had handled over Hymeanus and Alexander over to satan for the destruction of the flesh to occur.
They were part of that local assembly where Timothy was in spiritual authority so he dealt with them with Timothy only. How one does that - I don't know but it is for those in spiritual authority in the local assembly.
It is not for every Tom, Dick and Sally on the internet to publicly attack individuals. That is just malice and slandering based on their own view-points of some interpretation of some scriptures that they disagree with.
Then they think it is their right to publicly attack these people and it is just malice. They are NOT in any sort of spiritual leadership here in CC.
Speak the love and grace of God in Christ and His light will dispel the darkness like mist on a foggy morning when the light hits it.
Each letter to Timothy and Titus is a private letter addressed to these spiritual leaders on how to handle things in their local church. We can learn from these letters but they are NOT addressed to the whole church themselves at the local assembly where Timothy and Titus were.
This is why Paul mentioned to Timothy that he had handled over Hymeanus and Alexander over to satan for the destruction of the flesh to occur.
They were part of that local assembly where Timothy was in spiritual authority so he dealt with them with Timothy only. How one does that - I don't know but it is for those in spiritual authority in the local assembly.
It is not for every Tom, Dick and Sally on the internet to publicly attack individuals. That is just malice and slandering based on their own view-points of some interpretation of some scriptures that they disagree with.
Then they think it is their right to publicly attack these people and it is just malice. They are NOT in any sort of spiritual leadership here in CC.
Speak the love and grace of God in Christ and His light will dispel the darkness like mist on a foggy morning when the light hits it.
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When one doesn't stand upon the Word as they should that same person will take out his or her failings to stand up for truth upon those who do. It's saddening to see many professing believers like sevenseas who have no real conviction to stand for the truth of the Gospel against the onslaught of false gospels. These have little respect for the Gospel, that much is evident - anything goes, accept of course for those who preach the truth and expose error. It is doubtful she even knows what the Gospel actually is.
Imagine in Paul's day this person railing against Paul, and these same type of naysayers dogging his steps. This abuse for standing for the faith, and the one true Gospel? Count it a blessing brother. These who can't and won't stand while slandering will give an account, but, they won't even believe that.
All WoF/Prosperity adherents are heretical. It is not the Gospel, there is not another, and all others are anathema; Galatians 1:8-10. Have to love how Paul says in that line of thought he's not a man pleaser. Lot's of man pleasers in this thread fighting against the one true Gospel of Christ.
Imagine in Paul's day this person railing against Paul, and these same type of naysayers dogging his steps. This abuse for standing for the faith, and the one true Gospel? Count it a blessing brother. These who can't and won't stand while slandering will give an account, but, they won't even believe that.
All WoF/Prosperity adherents are heretical. It is not the Gospel, there is not another, and all others are anathema; Galatians 1:8-10. Have to love how Paul says in that line of thought he's not a man pleaser. Lot's of man pleasers in this thread fighting against the one true Gospel of Christ.
S
I'm not a WOF proponent
get some unbiased glasses and actually read what people write
I'm not a proponent of what you teach either
you and your friends have a good time now condemning everyone else
must be lonely at the top. so lonely, even Jesus does not go there
He hangs out with people who need Him
get some unbiased glasses and actually read what people write
I'm not a proponent of what you teach either
you and your friends have a good time now condemning everyone else
must be lonely at the top. so lonely, even Jesus does not go there
He hangs out with people who need Him
S
apply it to yourself first
attacking other believers as you do and then mocking when people point it out to you and your buddy there, cause I am not the only one who has pointed out your abhorrent behavior, indicates someone who USES the Bible on everyone but themself
John 3: 16 though, so God is merciful
what did people do the last 2000 years or so without you to speak on behalf of God
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sevenseas,
I try to be patient with you. You attack those who stand for truth as you make allowance for a compromised, truncated gospel, which is no Gospel at all - Galatians 1:8-10. I have seen nothing in your behavior becoming of or exemplifying Christianity whatsoever.
Go ahead and get your last word in here, offer your ridicule, slander, opposition to those who love and stand for the truth. One day you will give an account, but, go ahead, get the last word.
I try to be patient with you. You attack those who stand for truth as you make allowance for a compromised, truncated gospel, which is no Gospel at all - Galatians 1:8-10. I have seen nothing in your behavior becoming of or exemplifying Christianity whatsoever.
Go ahead and get your last word in here, offer your ridicule, slander, opposition to those who love and stand for the truth. One day you will give an account, but, go ahead, get the last word.
S
gee whiz
aren't you afraid your nose is going to go all Pinocchio on you?
you are top notch arrogant in how you speak to anyone who differs from your narrow definition of the gospel which leaves out love and demands obedience to the men who preach it
please
you are a very silly 'man'
you accused others of slander and all the other nonsense you spew out also which appears to indicate you actually do consider yourself a 'preacher' who believes God will get all those you call your enemies which is anyone who disagrees with your condemnation for the nation approach
you are simply giddy with self love
I won't have the last word actually. God will. that means you won't either
[h=4][/h] (1) A commitment which overcomes the odds with faith in God. (a 7 1/2 foot giant, acc. to 1 Chron. 11:23). In every case these mighty men faced insuperable odds. But note “the Lord brought about a great victory.” These men weren’t considering the odds for victory; they were looking to the God of victory.
Let’s face it: the odds are against us when we serve Christ. The world has us outnumbered. We face situations which seem overwhelmingly against us. But there are always enough people sitting on the sidelines pointing out the size of the giants in the land. We need some mighty men whose commitment to the cause overcomes the odds with faith in the living God.
(2) A commitment which endures exhaustion. . Eleazar was so tired he couldn’t open his hand after the battle was over. I don’t know how long it took Adino the Eznite to knock off 800 men on one occasion or how he did it , but you can be sure that he was exhausted when it was over.
You can count on being tired if you commit yourself to serve Christ‑‑not tired of serving, but tired in serving. But it is a great feeling to go to bed at night exhausted from serving the cause of Christ.
(3) A commitment which spurns the attitude of the crowd. The Israelite warriors had fled. The people of God were in retreat. If you had taken a vote, it would have been a landslide in favor of surrender. But these mighty men ignored the majority and stood alone for God. The cowards returned to gather the spoils . They benefited from the courage of these men whom they would have called fools a few hours earlier.
If the church is going to go forward and conquer for Christ, it can’t be operated as a pure democracy. The majority often capitulates to the world. But God is looking for mighty men of commitment who spurn the attitude of the crowd, who take a stand for Christ, and win great victories for Him.
(4) A commitment which takes the initiative. These mighty men were not passive. They were not just on the defensive‑‑they were on the offensive as well. Note . It’s impressive enough to kill a lion in a pit‑‑but to do it on a snowy day! Wow! Most of us would have been glad to leave well enough alone if we happened upon a lion in a pit on a snowy day. But this guy Benaiah went after the lion and killed it! He also went after this 7 1/2 foot Egyptian who had a spear: “May I borrow that please? Thank you. Zip!”
Do you know what is one of the greatest blights in Christendom today? Passive men! Chuck Swindoll once asked a Christian counselor what was the number one problem he faced in counseling Christian families. Without hesitation the counselor replied, “Passive males.”
Men, why is it that with many of you, your wife must take the initiative in spiritual things? Why is it that if the children are going to receive any spiritual training in the home, your wife must be the one to do it? We need mighty men in the church who will take the initiative in spiritual leadership. That does not mean barking commands at your family! It means setting the example in love for Christ and in serving your family and others.
(5) A commitment which risks life itself, if need be. These mighty men all risked their lives because of their commitment to David and his cause. During the early years of the Africa Inland Mission, more of their missionaries died from the harsh jungle conditions than Africans became Christians. The area became known as the white man’s graveyard. But still the missionaries came. But they began arriving with their belongings packed in coffins. The Africans were amazed with this determination. They said, “Surely only a message of great importance would inspire such actions!”
As a comfortable American Christian, it’s hard to relate to that kind of dedication. I don’t know whether you or I will ever have to face the possibility of risking our lives for the cause of Christ. But I do know this: if you have been a convenience Christian‑‑one who attends church when it’s convenient, who supports the cause of Christ financially when it’s convenient, who is willing to serve Christ when it’s convenient‑‑then you won’t risk your life for the cause of Christ if it ever comes to that.
[h=3]Conclusion[/h] God wants to raise up a band of mighty men who are attracted to the person of Christ and who are committed to His cause. Perhaps you’re thinking, “Where do I start?” If your heart has grown cold and complacent toward Christ, then start there. The Lord directed the church at Ephesus which had lost its first love to “remember from where you have fallen and repent and do the deeds you did at first” (Rev. 2:5). Remember what the Lord has done for you. Take the time to spend alone with Him in His Word each day. Work on your love life with Jesus. It is drudgery to labor without love.
But it is laziness to love without labor. So once you rekindle that first love for Him, then get off the bench and commit yourself to His cause in this church. “Do the deeds you did at first.” We need men to work with our youth, to work on repairing and maintaining our facilities, to lead Agape Families, to build other men in Christ, to be involved in missions. Commit your time, effort and money to the great cause of Christ as we seek to make Him known in this community. Let’s not be “the Lite Church, home of fewer commitments.” Christ loved us and gave Himself for us. With the hymn writer Isaac Watts, our response must be,
“Love so amazing so divine
Demands my life, my soul, my all.”
Let’s face it: the odds are against us when we serve Christ. The world has us outnumbered. We face situations which seem overwhelmingly against us. But there are always enough people sitting on the sidelines pointing out the size of the giants in the land. We need some mighty men whose commitment to the cause overcomes the odds with faith in the living God.
(2) A commitment which endures exhaustion. . Eleazar was so tired he couldn’t open his hand after the battle was over. I don’t know how long it took Adino the Eznite to knock off 800 men on one occasion or how he did it , but you can be sure that he was exhausted when it was over.
You can count on being tired if you commit yourself to serve Christ‑‑not tired of serving, but tired in serving. But it is a great feeling to go to bed at night exhausted from serving the cause of Christ.
(3) A commitment which spurns the attitude of the crowd. The Israelite warriors had fled. The people of God were in retreat. If you had taken a vote, it would have been a landslide in favor of surrender. But these mighty men ignored the majority and stood alone for God. The cowards returned to gather the spoils . They benefited from the courage of these men whom they would have called fools a few hours earlier.
If the church is going to go forward and conquer for Christ, it can’t be operated as a pure democracy. The majority often capitulates to the world. But God is looking for mighty men of commitment who spurn the attitude of the crowd, who take a stand for Christ, and win great victories for Him.
(4) A commitment which takes the initiative. These mighty men were not passive. They were not just on the defensive‑‑they were on the offensive as well. Note . It’s impressive enough to kill a lion in a pit‑‑but to do it on a snowy day! Wow! Most of us would have been glad to leave well enough alone if we happened upon a lion in a pit on a snowy day. But this guy Benaiah went after the lion and killed it! He also went after this 7 1/2 foot Egyptian who had a spear: “May I borrow that please? Thank you. Zip!”
Do you know what is one of the greatest blights in Christendom today? Passive men! Chuck Swindoll once asked a Christian counselor what was the number one problem he faced in counseling Christian families. Without hesitation the counselor replied, “Passive males.”
Men, why is it that with many of you, your wife must take the initiative in spiritual things? Why is it that if the children are going to receive any spiritual training in the home, your wife must be the one to do it? We need mighty men in the church who will take the initiative in spiritual leadership. That does not mean barking commands at your family! It means setting the example in love for Christ and in serving your family and others.
(5) A commitment which risks life itself, if need be. These mighty men all risked their lives because of their commitment to David and his cause. During the early years of the Africa Inland Mission, more of their missionaries died from the harsh jungle conditions than Africans became Christians. The area became known as the white man’s graveyard. But still the missionaries came. But they began arriving with their belongings packed in coffins. The Africans were amazed with this determination. They said, “Surely only a message of great importance would inspire such actions!”
As a comfortable American Christian, it’s hard to relate to that kind of dedication. I don’t know whether you or I will ever have to face the possibility of risking our lives for the cause of Christ. But I do know this: if you have been a convenience Christian‑‑one who attends church when it’s convenient, who supports the cause of Christ financially when it’s convenient, who is willing to serve Christ when it’s convenient‑‑then you won’t risk your life for the cause of Christ if it ever comes to that.
[h=3]Conclusion[/h] God wants to raise up a band of mighty men who are attracted to the person of Christ and who are committed to His cause. Perhaps you’re thinking, “Where do I start?” If your heart has grown cold and complacent toward Christ, then start there. The Lord directed the church at Ephesus which had lost its first love to “remember from where you have fallen and repent and do the deeds you did at first” (Rev. 2:5). Remember what the Lord has done for you. Take the time to spend alone with Him in His Word each day. Work on your love life with Jesus. It is drudgery to labor without love.
But it is laziness to love without labor. So once you rekindle that first love for Him, then get off the bench and commit yourself to His cause in this church. “Do the deeds you did at first.” We need men to work with our youth, to work on repairing and maintaining our facilities, to lead Agape Families, to build other men in Christ, to be involved in missions. Commit your time, effort and money to the great cause of Christ as we seek to make Him known in this community. Let’s not be “the Lite Church, home of fewer commitments.” Christ loved us and gave Himself for us. With the hymn writer Isaac Watts, our response must be,
“Love so amazing so divine
Demands my life, my soul, my all.”