GOD HEARS YOUR PRAYERS
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that would be adding to scripture
where are we taught discerning of spirits is a scary gift?
put on the armor. you'll be fine
where are we taught discerning of spirits is a scary gift?
put on the armor. you'll be fine
I put on the Lord Jesus Christ and strive to stay in Spirit. Thank you for your concern. I wasn't quoting scripture was I? It was a personal comment. Much like those you make.
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I'm not concerned
I was addressing the fact you say you have the gift of seeing into the spiritual realm
the first time you saw an angel?
interesting how you drop these experiences in odd places...like credentials or something
I'm not a follower and I don't apologize for it either. I don't follow those teachers
some people have a different kind of discerning of spirits then what you speak of
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it is my opinion and remember I am saying MY opinion, that if someone actually saw a real angel or a real demon or really
into things not normally seen with the eye of flesh, it is my opinion, they would not be dropping little lines about the
experience into a conversation in a casual manner and then sitting back and waiting for the reaction
I won't say more other than Christians really do need to test the spirits ESPECIALLY when supposed supernatural beings present themselves
if you follow a so called ministry in which all kinds of things happen, you may also start to experience the same
this is the age of deception as the world has not yet seen
into things not normally seen with the eye of flesh, it is my opinion, they would not be dropping little lines about the
experience into a conversation in a casual manner and then sitting back and waiting for the reaction
I won't say more other than Christians really do need to test the spirits ESPECIALLY when supposed supernatural beings present themselves
if you follow a so called ministry in which all kinds of things happen, you may also start to experience the same
this is the age of deception as the world has not yet seen
Hi Stones., I've never seen an angel (at least not that I can remember because who knows if I had as a child) but have had the shocking and explainable happen in my life and know they were miracles. I'm positive angels were involved because the Bible says that angels are ministering spirits to us humans. (PRETTY AWESOME)
We each have experienced things that are amazing and impossible to prove and we each react differently to those experiences so I for one don't judge you. Just because my experiences have not been exactly like yours doesn't mean they didn't happen just as you said. Nor do I question your inner heart motives in the matter in which you shared them insinuating you are bragging. How can we share here if we are always being second guessed and judged? It's not easy.
But unfortunately some people will take the pearls we share and step on them. It does cause us a certain amount of reservedness. Kind of reminds me of being in some churches where someone would raise their hands in joy to the Lord and some others in church would look in annoyance sure the one raising hands was seeking to draw attention to themselves., when in fact they were so joyful worshiping Jesus with upheld arms and hands they were not even thinking of themselves.
IMO it's a matter of how a person has learned to relate to Jesus in their lives. Over the years my relationship with Jesus has taken on a more loving awareness of how much more He loves me than I first knew. A growing awareness of His grace and love for me when I fail causing me to move closer to Him. My salvation is based on how much God loves me., not on how much I love God.
I had no idea how to love God until He showed the way. And He does that by showing us Jesus. In Christ there is no condemnation and we can go forward at all times in all situations not fearing the whip. Jesus never herds the sheep from behind. Jesus leads the sheep and they follow. No whip involved. The Bible says the rod and staff are for leading and comforting the sheep not beating the sheep as many of us were taught to believe.
Where some may call that "easy beleivism" others classify it under the words of Jesus... My yoke is easy and my burden is light.
Following Jesus is not a hard task or a burden to carry that is horrible. But it's moving forward in life with a loving Savior and friend whom you'd no sooner leave behind than you would your clothes going out into a snowy stormy night.
So some who are more in tune with MacArther's Lordship salvation tendencies would say of us who don't follow that teaching we are being lazy for not worrying about our works the way they do. And when we try to say otherwise., it's met with a certain amount of belligerency.
I was responding to a negative comment towards me about demonic thinking. Post #61 Explaining that I wasn't speaking of seeing things in the Spirit pertaining to God. It's spirits behind words that I was referring to in a conversation with preacher. He made a statement, I responded.
Then told of an experience of an angel coming into my home while I was praying. And I was terrified. First time I ever saw anything supernatural. I've told this many times, and it's not the first time I've mentioned it here. Whether or not anyone believes it matters not to me. I don't have to prove it. Not saying a thus saith the Lord. Was a personal experience to me only. But, that was the only time it was a clear visitation, or real I should say. I have had visions from that time.
Now, seven, you yourself has said you have had experiences. I never doubted you did. We should. It's scriptural. Nor did I question you.
My motives arent really your business, nor is yours mine. That is the Lords work, and He will reveal truth in time.
This started because of a comment that oldthennew made. One can never know what God will do because He will do what He wants?
And i I challenged it. She/he whichever one was upset.
So we can't trust Gods promises? I still challenge it.
And i already accept that you seven, have made it your purpose here to challenge everyone. But, you just criticize without adding any truth to your posts. A critical spirit? What is this from?
Then told of an experience of an angel coming into my home while I was praying. And I was terrified. First time I ever saw anything supernatural. I've told this many times, and it's not the first time I've mentioned it here. Whether or not anyone believes it matters not to me. I don't have to prove it. Not saying a thus saith the Lord. Was a personal experience to me only. But, that was the only time it was a clear visitation, or real I should say. I have had visions from that time.
Now, seven, you yourself has said you have had experiences. I never doubted you did. We should. It's scriptural. Nor did I question you.
My motives arent really your business, nor is yours mine. That is the Lords work, and He will reveal truth in time.
This started because of a comment that oldthennew made. One can never know what God will do because He will do what He wants?
And i I challenged it. She/he whichever one was upset.
So we can't trust Gods promises? I still challenge it.
And i already accept that you seven, have made it your purpose here to challenge everyone. But, you just criticize without adding any truth to your posts. A critical spirit? What is this from?
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for the record, I believe that the New Apostolic Reformation is not of God
this is not a movement that is supported by scripture either
C. Peter Wagner invented the term "New Apostolic Reformation" and then pronounced himself God's appointed leader of it:
“I needed a name … For a couple of years I experimented with ‘Post denominationalism’. The name I have settled on for the movement is the New Apostolic Reformation.”
(Source: C. Peter Wagner, The New Apostolic Churches, Ventura CA; Regal, 1998, p. 18.)
It's a loosely knit association of churches and ministries on the outer fringes of anything resembling Biblical Christianity. Supernatural Signs & Wonders; Dominionism; The Latter Rain Movement; Joel's Army; The 7 Mountain Mandate; Third Wave Revivalism; IHOP; Bill Johnson's Bethel Church, The Hillsong Media Empire, Rick Joyner's MorningStar Ministries... these are all a part of this shape-shifting movement in one way or another. It is gobbling up churches and deceiving millions around the world.
Some key beliefs of the NAR: We've entered a "2nd Apostolic Age" (starting in 2001); the church should somehow take over the world (dominionism); a great end time harvest/outpouring will occur once we battle enough demons, perform enough miracles and unifyunder these new Apostles; God is giving new revelation to his Prophets/Apostles but they will make many mistakes in the process and that's okay, but following the Bible too closely makes you "religious" and narrow-minded...
educate yourself here if you do not know what I am concerned about
one of the main teachings of this group is that God is now giving new revelation and the Bible is no longer the only reliable source of truth
and while I don't agree with everything MacArthur states, he is spot on here:
…NAR, the New Apostolic Reformation. … It is like Grape Nuts – it’s not grapes and it’s not nuts. It’s like Christian Science – it’s not Christian and it’s not scientific. Well, the New Apostolic Reformation isn’t new, it isn’t apostolic, and it isn’t a reformation. But it is a rapidly expanding movement being generated by some of the same old troubling false teachers and false leaders that have been around in Charismania for decades, always dishonoring the Holy Spirit, always dishonoring the Scripture, always claiming miracle signs, wonders, visions, dreams. ~ John MacArthur
this is not a movement that is supported by scripture either
C. Peter Wagner invented the term "New Apostolic Reformation" and then pronounced himself God's appointed leader of it:
“I needed a name … For a couple of years I experimented with ‘Post denominationalism’. The name I have settled on for the movement is the New Apostolic Reformation.”
(Source: C. Peter Wagner, The New Apostolic Churches, Ventura CA; Regal, 1998, p. 18.)
It's a loosely knit association of churches and ministries on the outer fringes of anything resembling Biblical Christianity. Supernatural Signs & Wonders; Dominionism; The Latter Rain Movement; Joel's Army; The 7 Mountain Mandate; Third Wave Revivalism; IHOP; Bill Johnson's Bethel Church, The Hillsong Media Empire, Rick Joyner's MorningStar Ministries... these are all a part of this shape-shifting movement in one way or another. It is gobbling up churches and deceiving millions around the world.
Some key beliefs of the NAR: We've entered a "2nd Apostolic Age" (starting in 2001); the church should somehow take over the world (dominionism); a great end time harvest/outpouring will occur once we battle enough demons, perform enough miracles and unifyunder these new Apostles; God is giving new revelation to his Prophets/Apostles but they will make many mistakes in the process and that's okay, but following the Bible too closely makes you "religious" and narrow-minded...
educate yourself here if you do not know what I am concerned about
one of the main teachings of this group is that God is now giving new revelation and the Bible is no longer the only reliable source of truth
and while I don't agree with everything MacArthur states, he is spot on here:
…NAR, the New Apostolic Reformation. … It is like Grape Nuts – it’s not grapes and it’s not nuts. It’s like Christian Science – it’s not Christian and it’s not scientific. Well, the New Apostolic Reformation isn’t new, it isn’t apostolic, and it isn’t a reformation. But it is a rapidly expanding movement being generated by some of the same old troubling false teachers and false leaders that have been around in Charismania for decades, always dishonoring the Holy Spirit, always dishonoring the Scripture, always claiming miracle signs, wonders, visions, dreams. ~ John MacArthur
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Christianity is not a personal experience
and it is not a series of supernatural occurrences
it is first and always about Jesus
this is not even up for debate and people can do the research themselves regarding the true activity of angels
there is also plenty of information regarding NAR and the movement to new revelation and the belief that these people
will usher in a new age
so, study your Bible and compare it to this stuff. there are no new Apostles and Prophets, yet, that is the foundation for this
movement
they believe these Apostles and Prophets are to lead the church and believers should submit to them because they have been chosen by God
I have read enough in these forums to know some here have fallen for this and believe it
and it is not a series of supernatural occurrences
it is first and always about Jesus
this is not even up for debate and people can do the research themselves regarding the true activity of angels
there is also plenty of information regarding NAR and the movement to new revelation and the belief that these people
will usher in a new age
so, study your Bible and compare it to this stuff. there are no new Apostles and Prophets, yet, that is the foundation for this
movement
they believe these Apostles and Prophets are to lead the church and believers should submit to them because they have been chosen by God
I have read enough in these forums to know some here have fallen for this and believe it
Joanie,
You have always been nice to me even when we have disagreed, I remember a kind gentleman who was a member of CC who wrote a lot about the love and grace of God, he was taking a lot of abuse too, seems like the nice ones do.
You have always been nice to me even when we have disagreed
, I remember a kind gentleman who was a member of CC who wrote a lot about the love and grace of God, he was taking a lot of abuse too, seems like the nice ones do.
And you have been the same to me UnderGrace and you are very much appreciated. Especially when people around here get annoyed and stomp around having hissy fits
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to clarify, when I say Christianity is not about personal experience:
I am referring to the myriad visions, dreams, so called angelic visitations, gold dust, bobbing up and down like a robot (the Holy Spirit does not cause us to loose control) screaming, animal noises, throwing yourself around on the floor and drawing attention to yourself and various other phenomena that some would have us believe is attributed to the Holy Spirit.
we do not interpret Christianity with an experience
if someone chooses to do so, they are going off the rails into uncharted and unbiblical territory
the Bible says the truth was delivered once for all.
Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. Jude v 3
there is no interpretation of the truth. that cannot be. when folks start to interpret, we end up with cults, false teaching, experience above the word and a vast array of other garden paths that lead AWAY from the central core of the Bible
we absolutely do have and are offered and God wants us to have, a personal relationship with Him
some Christians have the idea God will not allow them to be deceived. That, is Not, I repeat, NOT a safe default position
do not ignore the warnings given by Jesus, Paul, Jude, John and others in the New Testament.
I am referring to the myriad visions, dreams, so called angelic visitations, gold dust, bobbing up and down like a robot (the Holy Spirit does not cause us to loose control) screaming, animal noises, throwing yourself around on the floor and drawing attention to yourself and various other phenomena that some would have us believe is attributed to the Holy Spirit.
we do not interpret Christianity with an experience
if someone chooses to do so, they are going off the rails into uncharted and unbiblical territory
the Bible says the truth was delivered once for all.
Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. Jude v 3
there is no interpretation of the truth. that cannot be. when folks start to interpret, we end up with cults, false teaching, experience above the word and a vast array of other garden paths that lead AWAY from the central core of the Bible
we absolutely do have and are offered and God wants us to have, a personal relationship with Him
some Christians have the idea God will not allow them to be deceived. That, is Not, I repeat, NOT a safe default position
do not ignore the warnings given by Jesus, Paul, Jude, John and others in the New Testament.
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Quite simple, actually. Since what Joseph Prince says & does is totally heretical, he should never be read or believed by anyone in the church.
Would you quote Satan if he said something true?
It's foolish to quote heretics & expect them to be believed. It's like believing the boy who cried "Wolf"!
Matt 7:15“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?17So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.18A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.20Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
Would you quote Satan if he said something true?
It's foolish to quote heretics & expect them to be believed. It's like believing the boy who cried "Wolf"!
Matt 7:15“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?17So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.18A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.20Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
Jesus told the disciples to do what the scribes & pharisees taught, but don't do what they do, for they say, & do not.
The Bereans looked totally into what Paul taught, making sure it was so.
So yes, it does matter how their personality is, & the details of their life. Their lives ought to mirror the Word.
Instead, they love the world because they love riches more than God or their congregation.
The Bereans looked totally into what Paul taught, making sure it was so.
So yes, it does matter how their personality is, & the details of their life. Their lives ought to mirror the Word.
Instead, they love the world because they love riches more than God or their congregation.