GOD HEARS YOUR PRAYERS
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oops, you quoted a man. 
Testing the spirits, my much loved brother in the faith, is not testing the person per se, but the spirit that's behind a persons words. A person can be deceived but not fully aware of the deception.
Truth however, is power in Spirit, and will pierce that deception. I do agree with Gill though. A humble heart in my thoughts, would be one that cares nothing about how one can be viewed, only that truth, who really is the person of Jesus, prevails. A humble hearted man or woman will know within themselves what is truth. And seek it alone.
Testing the spirits, my much loved brother in the faith, is not testing the person per se, but the spirit that's behind a persons words. A person can be deceived but not fully aware of the deception.
Truth however, is power in Spirit, and will pierce that deception. I do agree with Gill though. A humble heart in my thoughts, would be one that cares nothing about how one can be viewed, only that truth, who really is the person of Jesus, prevails. A humble hearted man or woman will know within themselves what is truth. And seek it alone.
It's been a long time since I've sat under the preaching of JohnM so you have to excuse me. Actually., we were raised on JohnM. and listened to him at church, on the radio and had many of his cassette tapes (remember those) but I don't agree with his teaching on lordship salvation. Nor some other topics he teaches. But he has some good basic teaching I do agree with.
Actually., we were raised on JohnM. and listened to him at church, on the radio and had many of his cassette tapes (remember those) but I don't agree with his teaching on lordship salvation. Nor some other topics he teaches. But he has some good basic teaching I do agree with.
Cool. Well, he's spot on with "Lordship Salvation."
People were just shocked to hear the true Gospel, especially in light of the fact Swindoll came out with his work "The Grace Awakening" around the same time that John had written "The Gospel According to Jesus."
The Gospel John MacArthur preaches in so-called "Lordship Salvation" is nothing new, it is the Gospel of the early church, the church which stood against error, and the Reformers-- a Gospel that won't be tolerated by a church indoctrinated with easy-believe-ism, believe-ism, Free Grace Theology errors, and of course where all these misconceptions of grace have led us to where we are today. Enduring this sound doctrine since the early church preached it is mocked today by oprofessing believers who really do not understand the Gospel at all.
Just walk into most any church, and ask them what the Gospel is and you will be shocked. Many cannot give an answer and have been in church for years. This has been my experience, and it is the experience of many others.
The main reason the true Gospel is rejected is that people conflate evidence of conversion with works, and have such an aversion to works, any mention of works is met with belligerency.
We'll get to that in a moment, but your translation has misrepresented what the Bible really says (v. 14).
Your translation: Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone to heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us live our lives consistent with our confession of faith.
King James Bible: Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Let's see which translation accurately reflects the original.
Eχοντες οὖν ἀρχιερέα μέγαν διεληλυθότα τοὺς οὐρανούς Ἰησοῦν τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ θεοῦ κρατῶμεν τῆς ὁμολογίας
Literal translation: Having therefore a high priest great, having passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, we should firmly hold to [our] confession.
Our confession is our profession of faith, which is that we believe that Jesus is indeed the Son of God, who died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and rose again for our justification according to the Scripture. So Paul is telling us to hold fast to this profession of faith. As you can see, that is not what your translation states, therefore it is totally misleading.
Regardless, you asked, "What does live our lives consistent with our confession of faith mean?" and the answer is found in Titus 2:11,12: For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world.
Now the next question is "Are you sinlessly perfect or not?" and chances are you will say "All Christians can and do sin."
So the next question is "How will you approach the throne of grace without dealing with your present sins?"
So then the next question is "Is what is taught in the first epistle John applicable or not?" and if you are honest you will have to admit that it is applicable.
So the final question is "If that teaching is applicable, why has it been ignored over and over again by Joseph Prince, and does that not make him a false teacher?"
Your translation: Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone to heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us live our lives consistent with our confession of faith.
King James Bible: Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Let's see which translation accurately reflects the original.
Eχοντες οὖν ἀρχιερέα μέγαν διεληλυθότα τοὺς οὐρανούς Ἰησοῦν τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ θεοῦ κρατῶμεν τῆς ὁμολογίας
Literal translation: Having therefore a high priest great, having passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, we should firmly hold to [our] confession.
Our confession is our profession of faith, which is that we believe that Jesus is indeed the Son of God, who died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and rose again for our justification according to the Scripture. So Paul is telling us to hold fast to this profession of faith. As you can see, that is not what your translation states, therefore it is totally misleading.
Regardless, you asked, "What does live our lives consistent with our confession of faith mean?" and the answer is found in Titus 2:11,12: For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world.
Now the next question is "Are you sinlessly perfect or not?" and chances are you will say "All Christians can and do sin."
So the next question is "How will you approach the throne of grace without dealing with your present sins?"
So then the next question is "Is what is taught in the first epistle John applicable or not?" and if you are honest you will have to admit that it is applicable.
So the final question is "If that teaching is applicable, why has it been ignored over and over again by Joseph Prince, and does that not make him a false teacher?"
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well, God is a Spirit, and we who worship Him, worship Him in Spirit and in Truth, and by the way,
He lives, dwells, in His very own Spiritual Realm, in which He calls to us and communicates with us...
what in the world could or would be considered 'scary' about this???
to me, this is demonic thinking, that anything associated with our Father's communication
with His called and chosen, would have the word 'scary' associated in this context???
well, God is a Spirit, and we who worship Him, worship Him in Spirit and in Truth, and by the way,
He lives, dwells, in His very own Spiritual Realm, in which He calls to us and communicates with us...
what in the world could or would be considered 'scary' about this???
to me, this is demonic thinking, that anything associated with our Father's communication
with His called and chosen, would have the word 'scary' associated in this context???
and as and additive, anyone who is associated with the 'bennies-tbn's-etc, you know,
those that will willing to pretend to throw themselves over backwards with a 'wave of a hand' and act
like it was a 'GIFT' that they weren't expecting, oh my, the power of the deceiver is truly
an amazing thing to behold!!!...we're still waiting to see those 'amazing self-appointed-so-called,
preachers, living in humility, heal the armless, legless, polio's, 'real' wheel-chair bound,
etc...
HELLO...
and by the way, let's not look at their 'in discreations' where they dis-honored their very own
ministries, that have made them rich and famous, not to mention how they profeigned the very Name
of Jesus Christ by destroying their very own wives, children, families and followers in order to fulfill their
own 'carnal' lusts'???
for anyone to even envision that those who are called and chosen of God for the whole world to be
'converted by', and all the while living and oppulance, cheating their 'gifters', for their own
worldly desires, living like 'kings and princesses',
well, it would be very evident to even a 'carnal person', that God's Heart/Spirit, definitely
does not dwell inside of theirs...
those that will willing to pretend to throw themselves over backwards with a 'wave of a hand' and act
like it was a 'GIFT' that they weren't expecting, oh my, the power of the deceiver is truly
an amazing thing to behold!!!...we're still waiting to see those 'amazing self-appointed-so-called,
preachers, living in humility, heal the armless, legless, polio's, 'real' wheel-chair bound,
etc...
HELLO...
and by the way, let's not look at their 'in discreations' where they dis-honored their very own
ministries, that have made them rich and famous, not to mention how they profeigned the very Name
of Jesus Christ by destroying their very own wives, children, families and followers in order to fulfill their
own 'carnal' lusts'???
for anyone to even envision that those who are called and chosen of God for the whole world to be
'converted by', and all the while living and oppulance, cheating their 'gifters', for their own
worldly desires, living like 'kings and princesses',
well, it would be very evident to even a 'carnal person', that God's Heart/Spirit, definitely
does not dwell inside of theirs...
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well that's it then, right?
sooner or later, the real spirit behind some of these things come to light...adultery..porn...lying...fake whatever...comes to light and everyone gasps because they just didn't know
well, they SHOULD have known with all that spiritual discernment they have
but the bizarre thing? many go right back to the barf instead of a real meal
and before somebody gets their undies in a knot, I am just responding to a post here and not accusing anyone
I have personal experience with some of these charlatans and I can smell it a mile away and you can call that whatever you want .. including a lack of faith
we are supposed to be exalting Jesus, NOT ministries and the gifts are supposed to build up the body of Christ...not put people in awe of bizarre spiritual manifestations that come from anywhere but the Holy Spirit
don't get me started
The "who" that are righteous are those who have received Jesus Christ as their Savior. They are the righteous as defined by Jesus. If you are a born again Christian you are the "who" in James 5:16 Your prayers when you pray will be effectual because Jesus has made you righteous. When we go IN the name of Jesus our prayers avail much. If we go based on our own faithfulness., our prayers will not go very far.
"Some people think that if they were more “right” with God, then He would hear their prayers. For example, they sometimes believe that if they had not quarreled with their wives or had those bad thoughts earlier in the day, then God would answer their prayers.
God is not like that. He wants you to know beyond any doubt that you can always come to His throne of grace with boldness and have every confidence that you will receive His mercy and grace. (Hebrews 4:16) You see, because of Jesus’ finished work on the cross, you are already right with God. You don’t need to do anything to make yourself more right with God.
In fact, by faith in Jesus, you have received the righteousness of God Himself! (2 Corinthians 5:21) And no matter how many mistakes you make, you will never lose that righteousness because in the first place, God gave it to you apart from your works. (Romans 4:5–6) In other words, God did not impute righteousness to you because you were good, but because you believed in Jesus."
How many people who posted on this thread believe that their ability to go to the throne of grace comes from Jesus and not due to their (our) own righteousness. This is a key element to having prayers answered. If we go in our own righteousness apart from majoring on and focusing our minds on Jesus and HIS imputed righteousness given to us., we won't have any confidence that our prayers are going to be answered. We will be in doubt.
The Bible says for us to have a STRONG CONSOLATION. We Christians cannot have a strong consolation if we are going in our own righteousness. We will always wonder if we did well enough and worked hard enough and did our best in order to be given the promises stated in the Bible for the sons of God.
Heb.6:18-19 This strong consolation is in Christ and is our anchor because it's dependent on Jesus not us. Not only does our introduction into salvation depend on Jesus Christ and Him alone., but here after as well while we grow up in Christ and mature in faith believing.
It's obvious by the opposition to the devotional here on this thread there are Christians who deny this need for "strong consolation" being found only in Christ and not our works. This is not about salvation but about the walk after salvation for the saints. We walk the Christian life the exact same way we came into the gift of eternal life.... by grace through faith we receive the gift of our right standing IN Christ daily. We bring Jesus righteousness to our remembrance that it is a gift received and to be used from here on after.
That was the ISV Nehemiah. Is said to be the most accurate. I'm assuming without looking that hold fast has something to do with living out our faith.
I can't say that Prince never says to repent after committing a sin. I don't follow him Nehemiah. My point was only concerning this post.
Joanie got jumped on for a post that basically anyone could put their name to. He was teaching from Hebrews mostly.
Nothing heretical about what was said.
I can't say that Prince never says to repent after committing a sin. I don't follow him Nehemiah. My point was only concerning this post.
Joanie got jumped on for a post that basically anyone could put their name to. He was teaching from Hebrews mostly.
Nothing heretical about what was said.