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this really isnt my place to say to you, but please consider
you have good Knowledge to share, alot of potential to help others in understanding, because you have a good grasp of alot of things.......but your approach toward other people, to me seems not really in the right spirit at times. dont take offense, im just a fellow believer, less than you or anyone else, offering a peice of sound advice . God bless you.
you have good Knowledge to share, alot of potential to help others in understanding, because you have a good grasp of alot of things.......but your approach toward other people, to me seems not really in the right spirit at times. dont take offense, im just a fellow believer, less than you or anyone else, offering a peice of sound advice . God bless you.
i feel ya bro, just was offering a reminder, and thats all we can do is work forward to the things of God ! God Loves you and them, even though some may not grasp the depth of some of the things others do......I just want to see you better recieved because i see great value in your posts, and was just an unwarranted observation on my part.
Would you agree that scripture that you use to buttress your position should harmonize your position even If you use the scripture that I use to buttress my position?I mean shouldn't scripture harmonize with scripture since all scripture Is GOD breathed.
If they don't harmonize then someone Is In error,do you agree with that?
Definition of buttress: something that supports or strengthens
If they don't harmonize then someone Is In error,do you agree with that?
Definition of buttress: something that supports or strengthens
He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.[Romans 4:25]
Just bringing this back to our exchange in proper order.
So, okay. I was tried and convicted of some terrible crimes, and given the death sentence. After that, I so gratefully thank the judge for letting me off, and he is kind enough to give me eternal life?
Really? Really really? You think he is just?
Any chance you're a judge? Because if I'm ever charged with criminal activity, I so very much want to stand before you in a court. I promise I will be extremely thankful too. Extremely!!! Promise!
Now, want to try this again? Is eternal life just?
So, okay. I was tried and convicted of some terrible crimes, and given the death sentence. After that, I so gratefully thank the judge for letting me off, and he is kind enough to give me eternal life?
Really? Really really? You think he is just?
Any chance you're a judge? Because if I'm ever charged with criminal activity, I so very much want to stand before you in a court. I promise I will be extremely thankful too. Extremely!!! Promise!
Now, want to try this again? Is eternal life just?
Yoicks and away!!
Dude you are not mocking him, you are mocking a teaching of the Bible, besides forthangel holds to Reformed/Calvinist doctrine that does not teach that man has no responsibility, that's is a misrepresentation of what Reformed/Calvinist teaching. Just like total depravity, is misrepresented as well, many think it means that man can not do any good or that they are as wicked as they can be. None of that is true, it simply means that man is died in trespasses and sins and is spiritually blind so he can not make a decision for Christ, unless the Father draws or make them alive. Man can do go toward other men, he just can not do anything good enough to please God.
Man is responsible for his sin, not matter what, John 3:16-21, God has made every provision for man to be saved, but man is a slave to sin and spiritually blind. Because of John 3:18-20, leaves then with no excuse, they also have the embodiment of knowledge and truth in the Law of God, which bring the knowledge of sin. The Lord commands all mento repent everywhere of the face of the earth, that is why Jesus commissioned us to preach the Gospel to all living creatures everywhere.
Man is responsible for his sin, not matter what, John 3:16-21, God has made every provision for man to be saved, but man is a slave to sin and spiritually blind. Because of John 3:18-20, leaves then with no excuse, they also have the embodiment of knowledge and truth in the Law of God, which bring the knowledge of sin. The Lord commands all mento repent everywhere of the face of the earth, that is why Jesus commissioned us to preach the Gospel to all living creatures everywhere.
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See this statement:
“Human beings are morally responsible creatures—they significantly choose, rebel, obey, believe, defy, make decisions, and so forth, and they are rightly held accountable for such actions; but this characteristic never functions so as to make God absolutely contingent.”
Is FREE WILL of humans.
What folks forget is God's will and power is greater than ours.
My daughter used to make "play dates" with her preschool friends and tell me when I picked her up that so and so we're having a sleep over that night. I would raise an eyebrow and say "oh, really?"
My will happened to over ride my daughter's will. She now had a few choices.
1. Throw a tantrum and get punished.
2. Try to convince me her idea was feasible (her favorite choice)
3. Accept that it wasn't going to happen and listen to my plans for our evening instead.
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We will things all the time but if they are not part of God's plans, we have a few options: obey God or throw a tantrum and be punished.
We are still responsible for our actions and God is still sovereign.
“Human beings are morally responsible creatures—they significantly choose, rebel, obey, believe, defy, make decisions, and so forth, and they are rightly held accountable for such actions; but this characteristic never functions so as to make God absolutely contingent.”
Is FREE WILL of humans.
What folks forget is God's will and power is greater than ours.
My daughter used to make "play dates" with her preschool friends and tell me when I picked her up that so and so we're having a sleep over that night. I would raise an eyebrow and say "oh, really?"
My will happened to over ride my daughter's will. She now had a few choices.
1. Throw a tantrum and get punished.
2. Try to convince me her idea was feasible (her favorite choice)
3. Accept that it wasn't going to happen and listen to my plans for our evening instead.
****
We will things all the time but if they are not part of God's plans, we have a few options: obey God or throw a tantrum and be punished.
We are still responsible for our actions and God is still sovereign.
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I have faith in you. I truly believe you know if getting eternal life when we deserve eternal death is just or not. And, I'll even given you that I threw you on the question, because you're naturally going to go with, "Well, God did something for me that I really like, so it has to be just because it's God doing it, and he's just." Right?
Is God just? You betcha!
Are we just? Nope.
So how does God keep justice while his own laws say we deserve the death penalty? (And, make no mistake. We really deserve the death penalty for our sins.) He covers that in his laws too. The laws say that if I commit adultery, I am to be stoned to death, right? But it also says that if you wanted to take my punishment for me, and if you have never committed adultery, your death pays for my life. That is just. God said so. And God is just.
So how did God take on the punishment of whosoever? (I see your light bulb going off in your head, and you're right. lol This has never been a trick question, and I did earnestly ask you, because I suspect you knew this all along. You just forgot.)
Jesus took on that punishment for us! Alleluia! He has set us free from what we rightly deserve! Alleluia! Alleluia! He has given us communion God, when we deserve separation from God. Great deal! He has given us life, when we deserve death. Woohoo! Yup! You're right -- eternal life. Alleluia!!! And he has given us eternity with him, instead of eternity in hell. Whoaaaaa!
Great deal, right? (Ah, come on. You know it is. That wasn't a trick question either. lol) GREAT deal! God has given us eternal life justly.
Did you just agree with all that? Probably, since that is one of those things that doesn't change whether we're reformed or not. God gave us justice through Christ. And, in his mercy he commuted our just punishment.
So, given all that, (and this is where we aren't in the same boat), is it really unjust that God does not give the same thing to every single person who was ever conceived?
If I commit adultery, and you choose to save me by giving your life for me, do I really have the right to tell you that you owe the same thing for every single other sin I've done? Do I really have the right to tell you that you have to save every single person who ever committed adultery in the same way? Do I really have the right to expect you to give up your life for every single sinner in the world over every single sin? Is that right? Is that justice? Does that make me more merciful than you simply because I want you to?
But, I'll tell you this much, if I committed adultery and you took my stoning in my place, I truly would be eternally grateful and I truly would stop cheating on my husband because of that great thing you did for me. (Granted, not likely he'd stay my husband if I cheated on him, but that's a different story.) Your sacrifice -- your mercy over me -- would not be done in vain.
My gratitude would be eternal.
It is eternal, because the same guy did that very thing for both of us. We love him, because he first loved us.
He did that justly, but he did it from his mercy, not his justice.
I don't know why he doesn't do it for every conceived person. But I am the beggar in this situation, not the judge. I was the prisoner on Death Row and he set me free. He has mercy on me. He has asked me to let all the other prisoners on Death Row know of his deal. He has asked me that because he asks us to love our enemies, and neighbors like we love ourselves. He has given me everything, so why would I not want to let everyone know what he has justly, and mercifully done? Great! Deal! (I'm gobsmacked over this deal!)
And yet, he chooses whom he will free and whom he will not. We made our choice long ago. That's why we were on Death Row. He made his choice longer ago. That's why we're not on Death Row anymore. If you don't like it, I'm kind of stuck thinking you're cracked. lol
Just the same, if you want to argue over God's choices, take it up with him, not us. We're like you -- ex-cons enjoying our new freedom forever grateful to the one who set us free.
Is God just? You betcha!
Are we just? Nope.
So how does God keep justice while his own laws say we deserve the death penalty? (And, make no mistake. We really deserve the death penalty for our sins.) He covers that in his laws too. The laws say that if I commit adultery, I am to be stoned to death, right? But it also says that if you wanted to take my punishment for me, and if you have never committed adultery, your death pays for my life. That is just. God said so. And God is just.
So how did God take on the punishment of whosoever? (I see your light bulb going off in your head, and you're right. lol This has never been a trick question, and I did earnestly ask you, because I suspect you knew this all along. You just forgot.)
Jesus took on that punishment for us! Alleluia! He has set us free from what we rightly deserve! Alleluia! Alleluia! He has given us communion God, when we deserve separation from God. Great deal! He has given us life, when we deserve death. Woohoo! Yup! You're right -- eternal life. Alleluia!!! And he has given us eternity with him, instead of eternity in hell. Whoaaaaa!
Great deal, right? (Ah, come on. You know it is. That wasn't a trick question either. lol) GREAT deal! God has given us eternal life justly.
Did you just agree with all that? Probably, since that is one of those things that doesn't change whether we're reformed or not. God gave us justice through Christ. And, in his mercy he commuted our just punishment.
So, given all that, (and this is where we aren't in the same boat), is it really unjust that God does not give the same thing to every single person who was ever conceived?
If I commit adultery, and you choose to save me by giving your life for me, do I really have the right to tell you that you owe the same thing for every single other sin I've done? Do I really have the right to tell you that you have to save every single person who ever committed adultery in the same way? Do I really have the right to expect you to give up your life for every single sinner in the world over every single sin? Is that right? Is that justice? Does that make me more merciful than you simply because I want you to?
But, I'll tell you this much, if I committed adultery and you took my stoning in my place, I truly would be eternally grateful and I truly would stop cheating on my husband because of that great thing you did for me. (Granted, not likely he'd stay my husband if I cheated on him, but that's a different story.) Your sacrifice -- your mercy over me -- would not be done in vain.
My gratitude would be eternal.
It is eternal, because the same guy did that very thing for both of us. We love him, because he first loved us.
He did that justly, but he did it from his mercy, not his justice.
I don't know why he doesn't do it for every conceived person. But I am the beggar in this situation, not the judge. I was the prisoner on Death Row and he set me free. He has mercy on me. He has asked me to let all the other prisoners on Death Row know of his deal. He has asked me that because he asks us to love our enemies, and neighbors like we love ourselves. He has given me everything, so why would I not want to let everyone know what he has justly, and mercifully done? Great! Deal! (I'm gobsmacked over this deal!)
And yet, he chooses whom he will free and whom he will not. We made our choice long ago. That's why we were on Death Row. He made his choice longer ago. That's why we're not on Death Row anymore. If you don't like it, I'm kind of stuck thinking you're cracked. lol
Just the same, if you want to argue over God's choices, take it up with him, not us. We're like you -- ex-cons enjoying our new freedom forever grateful to the one who set us free.