This is one of the reasons I feel reading is so important. I understood this somewhere around 55 years ago, simply because God prompted me to pick up a book written by (horrors!!!!) a plain, ordinary man. And so many, literally, hundreds of things like that have been shown to me by people who spent the thousands of hours to study that I didn't have to spare in my own busy life.
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:hrmm: then how come it is already saturday now in
the native land of one of our brethren
meaning if those people who worshipped on a sunday morning
were all wrong from the beginning of the day they learn to worshipped him in that day
or those people who worshipped him everyday in their life
unti the day they we will be call to sleep for a meantime
until that time comes
. ... and lets see if the early christian
worshipped the same day in the scriptures
so that we may know if who is saying the same thing
as it is written
:read:
Mateo: 28. 16. Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17. And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
~;> NOW WHAT DAY DID THE DISCIPLES WORSHIPPED HIM
BUT SOME DOUBTED
the native land of one of our brethren
meaning if those people who worshipped on a sunday morning
were all wrong from the beginning of the day they learn to worshipped him in that day
or those people who worshipped him everyday in their life
unti the day they we will be call to sleep for a meantime
until that time comes
. ... and lets see if the early christian
worshipped the same day in the scriptures
so that we may know if who is saying the same thing
as it is written
:read:
Mateo: 28. 16. Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17. And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
~;> NOW WHAT DAY DID THE DISCIPLES WORSHIPPED HIM
BUT SOME DOUBTED
:hrmm: im telling the truth
it is a crime now to tell the truth
it is really saturday now in the native land of one of our brethren
what do you think the day in this reality is not moving at all
... . and
we are just askin
hope we dont offend anyone of you
~;> AND ALSO
IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE SCRIPTURES
THAT WE POSTED HERE
it is a crime now to tell the truth
it is really saturday now in the native land of one of our brethren
what do you think the day in this reality is not moving at all
... . and
we are just askin
hope we dont offend anyone of you
~;> AND ALSO
IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE SCRIPTURES
THAT WE POSTED HERE
Yes.... which proves the point the OP was making... too often we want to battle over things that make no difference, instead of celebrating the freedom we have in Christ to hold dear whatever fits with our conscience.
My dad (an elder in the church) and my mom did not drink. I think my dad MIGHT have had a glass of wine every 10 years or so, if he was at a real estate convention or something, but "our household" didn't drink.
I did drink... starting, um, somewhat before legal age, but I experimented with it a lot. They didn't try to preach me to hell, they simply said they wanted me to wait until I was "legal" to make that decision. I still didn't, but that belongs under the "children obey your parents in the Lord" topic....
We should live our conscience, and allow others to live theirs...
My dad (an elder in the church) and my mom did not drink. I think my dad MIGHT have had a glass of wine every 10 years or so, if he was at a real estate convention or something, but "our household" didn't drink.
I did drink... starting, um, somewhat before legal age, but I experimented with it a lot. They didn't try to preach me to hell, they simply said they wanted me to wait until I was "legal" to make that decision. I still didn't, but that belongs under the "children obey your parents in the Lord" topic....
We should live our conscience, and allow others to live theirs...
:hrmm: brethren brother sisters
what we meant is not only saturday but
everyday in our life spiritually with all of our heart and soul
as it is written
:read:
Juan: 4. 23. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
until the day they we will be call to sleep for a meantime
until that time comes
:ty:
godbless us all always
what we meant is not only saturday but
everyday in our life spiritually with all of our heart and soul
as it is written
:read:
Juan: 4. 23. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
until the day they we will be call to sleep for a meantime
until that time comes
:ty:
godbless us all always
R
I agree with this thread, all the non fruitful threads of these forums have me coming to this site less and less. It seems there is less edification of the body going on here everyday. Just a lot of useless argument and self pride. I have come across some very good threads that were useful in my studies just to watch it get hijacked into a law/grace argument or a Sabbath argument. I believe if one disagrees with the point that was brought up they should state there point GIVE SCRIPTURE to back up there point and move on, let the holy Spirit do His work. Posting the same thing 20 times does not help anybody. (If the person has not gotten it by the 19th time the 20th time will probably not change their mind)
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as it is written:read:
Mateo: 18. 20. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
21. Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22. Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
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godbless us all always
as it is written:read:
Mateo: 18. 20. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
21. Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22. Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
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godbless us all always
"And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, to minister to him, to love the name of the LORD,
and to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it,
and holds fast my covenant—these I will bring to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful in my house of prayer;
their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar;
for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples."
Isaiah 56:6-7 (ESV2011)
and to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it,
and holds fast my covenant—these I will bring to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful in my house of prayer;
their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar;
for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples."
Isaiah 56:6-7 (ESV2011)
as it is written:read:
Mga Hebreo: 4. 1.
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7. Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
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godbless us all always
:hrmm: as it is written
:read:
Hebrews 4:1
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it.
2*For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because o they were not united by faith with those who listened.1
3*For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,
p “As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’”
although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4*For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: q “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.”
5*And again in this passage he said,
r “They shall not enter my rest.”
6*Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news s failed to enter because of disobedience,
7*again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
t “Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
8*For if Joshua had given them rest, God1 would not have spoken of another day later on.
9*So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,
10*for whoever has entered God's rest has also u rested from his works as God did from his.
11*Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so v that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
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godbless us all always
:read:
Hebrews 4:1
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it.
2*For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because o they were not united by faith with those who listened.1
3*For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,
p “As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’”
although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4*For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: q “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.”
5*And again in this passage he said,
r “They shall not enter my rest.”
6*Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news s failed to enter because of disobedience,
7*again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
t “Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
8*For if Joshua had given them rest, God1 would not have spoken of another day later on.
9*So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,
10*for whoever has entered God's rest has also u rested from his works as God did from his.
11*Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so v that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
:ty:
godbless us all always
:8) as it is written
:read:
Hebrews 4:1
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering into His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
2*For indeed the Good News was brought to us as well as to them, but the word which they heard did not profit them, not having been mixed with belief in those who heard it.
3*For we who have believed do enter into that rest, as He has said, “As I swore in My wrath, if they shall enter into My rest...” And yet His works have come into being from the foundation of the world.
4*For somewhere He has said thus about the seventh day, “And Elohim rested on the seventh day from all His works,”
5*and in this again, “If they shall enter into My rest...”
6*Since then it remains for some to enter into it, and those who formerly received the Good News did not enter in because of disobedience,a
7*He again defines a certain day, “Today,” saying through Dawiḏ so much later, as it has been said, “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.”
8*For if Yehoshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.
9*So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of Elohim.
10*For the one, having entered into His rest, has himself also rested from his works, as Elohim rested from His own.
11*Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience.b
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godbless us all always
:read:
Hebrews 4:1
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering into His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
2*For indeed the Good News was brought to us as well as to them, but the word which they heard did not profit them, not having been mixed with belief in those who heard it.
3*For we who have believed do enter into that rest, as He has said, “As I swore in My wrath, if they shall enter into My rest...” And yet His works have come into being from the foundation of the world.
4*For somewhere He has said thus about the seventh day, “And Elohim rested on the seventh day from all His works,”
5*and in this again, “If they shall enter into My rest...”
6*Since then it remains for some to enter into it, and those who formerly received the Good News did not enter in because of disobedience,a
7*He again defines a certain day, “Today,” saying through Dawiḏ so much later, as it has been said, “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.”
8*For if Yehoshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.
9*So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of Elohim.
10*For the one, having entered into His rest, has himself also rested from his works, as Elohim rested from His own.
11*Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience.b
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godbless us all always
Praise God ....great to hear brother.....thanks for the post......so ill see ya Saturday......
Our brother came through a testing of his faith in our Lord and it all has come out to the glory of God, just like God said it would!
So yeah, that was my first reaction too - to praise God and to rejoice with our brother!