GOD'S GRACE IS UNMERITED
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They are not right,and do not understand the scriptures,and ignore the scriptures.
God is love,and not evil,and all people have sinned,and come short of the glory of God,and there is none that does good,no,not one,and God is no respecter of persons,and there is no difference between the Jew and Gentile,for all who accept Him,and work righteousness is accepted with Him,and said what makes you to differ from another person.
So to God all people are sinners,and in the same boat,so why would God choose some people,and not choose others,without them having an input to choose.
And God is not evil to condemn people that have no choice in the matter.
And God's kingdom is love,so He has to give people a choice,or His kingdom is not true love,but robotic love,for they could only choose God because they can see no other alternative,and that is not love.
Is someone going to believe that God who is so intelligent,and wise,and knows all things,whose ways are above our ways,as the heavens are above the earth,which is infinity,that He would have people dwell with Him that had no choice but to choose God,seeing no other alternative.
That would mean people have greater love between each other,than God and His people,for people choose to love each other.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
It is obvious that some people do not understand,or ignore scripture,when God wants all people to be saved.
No person comes to the Son,unless the Father draws them,and no person calls Jesus,Lord,but by the Holy Ghost,and many are called,but few are chosen.
God gets the glory for working in our life to get us to the door of truth,for we could not get there without God working in our life,but we must make the final push through the door,for we have to choose that because God's kingdom is love.
Many are called,but few chosen,so God does the calling,and choosing on earth,which is why many call Jesus,Lord,but not all are in the truth,for many are called,so God is working in their life,but few are chosen,for some do not make that final push through the door.
Some people do not understand,or ignore scriptures,for God wants all to be saved,and if they think they are chosen,how do they know.
Charity is greater than faith,and it is our love towards God,and people,that determine our salvation.
No person says Jesus is Lord,but by the Holy Ghost,so if they say they are chosen,then all people that claim Jesus as Lord,God must be working in their life too,even if they do not believe OSAS,and not saved by works,which those people will say,they are deceived,and have no salvation,but why would God be working in their life if they are not chosen.
For many are called,but few are chosen,so many people will claim Jesus as Lord,but not all will be chosen,so how do the OSAS people believe they were chosen,especially when they believe sin does not affect their relationship with God,and the prosperity Gospel,which neglects the poor and needy.
God is love,and not evil,and all people have sinned,and come short of the glory of God,and there is none that does good,no,not one,and God is no respecter of persons,and there is no difference between the Jew and Gentile,for all who accept Him,and work righteousness is accepted with Him,and said what makes you to differ from another person.
So to God all people are sinners,and in the same boat,so why would God choose some people,and not choose others,without them having an input to choose.
And God is not evil to condemn people that have no choice in the matter.
And God's kingdom is love,so He has to give people a choice,or His kingdom is not true love,but robotic love,for they could only choose God because they can see no other alternative,and that is not love.
Is someone going to believe that God who is so intelligent,and wise,and knows all things,whose ways are above our ways,as the heavens are above the earth,which is infinity,that He would have people dwell with Him that had no choice but to choose God,seeing no other alternative.
That would mean people have greater love between each other,than God and His people,for people choose to love each other.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
It is obvious that some people do not understand,or ignore scripture,when God wants all people to be saved.
No person comes to the Son,unless the Father draws them,and no person calls Jesus,Lord,but by the Holy Ghost,and many are called,but few are chosen.
God gets the glory for working in our life to get us to the door of truth,for we could not get there without God working in our life,but we must make the final push through the door,for we have to choose that because God's kingdom is love.
Many are called,but few chosen,so God does the calling,and choosing on earth,which is why many call Jesus,Lord,but not all are in the truth,for many are called,so God is working in their life,but few are chosen,for some do not make that final push through the door.
Some people do not understand,or ignore scriptures,for God wants all to be saved,and if they think they are chosen,how do they know.
Charity is greater than faith,and it is our love towards God,and people,that determine our salvation.
No person says Jesus is Lord,but by the Holy Ghost,so if they say they are chosen,then all people that claim Jesus as Lord,God must be working in their life too,even if they do not believe OSAS,and not saved by works,which those people will say,they are deceived,and have no salvation,but why would God be working in their life if they are not chosen.
For many are called,but few are chosen,so many people will claim Jesus as Lord,but not all will be chosen,so how do the OSAS people believe they were chosen,especially when they believe sin does not affect their relationship with God,and the prosperity Gospel,which neglects the poor and needy.
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so we are back to works and grace again?
sounds to me like some people who emphasize one thing to the detriment of another, are not so convinced of what they say or they might stop bringing it up all the time
many of us understood the grace of God from the beginning because we were taught correctly
the problem here, is the unbalanced teaching of Joseph Prince being flogged. yet again
sounds to me like some people who emphasize one thing to the detriment of another, are not so convinced of what they say or they might stop bringing it up all the time
many of us understood the grace of God from the beginning because we were taught correctly
the problem here, is the unbalanced teaching of Joseph Prince being flogged. yet again
MattforJesus,
To add to what you have posted:
Matthew 13:
The Parable of the Sower
13 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat beside the sea. 2 And great crowds gathered about him, so that he got into a boat and sat down. And the whole crowd stood on the beach. 3 And he told them many things in parables, saying: “A sower went out to sow. 4 And as he sowed, some seeds fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. 5 Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil, and immediately they sprang up, since they had no depth of soil, 6 but when the sun rose they were scorched. And since they had no root, they withered away. 7 Other seeds fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked them. 8 Other seeds fell on good soil and produced grain, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. 9 He who has ears,[a] let him hear.”
To add to what you have posted:
Matthew 13:
The Parable of the Sower
13 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat beside the sea. 2 And great crowds gathered about him, so that he got into a boat and sat down. And the whole crowd stood on the beach. 3 And he told them many things in parables, saying: “A sower went out to sow. 4 And as he sowed, some seeds fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. 5 Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil, and immediately they sprang up, since they had no depth of soil, 6 but when the sun rose they were scorched. And since they had no root, they withered away. 7 Other seeds fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked them. 8 Other seeds fell on good soil and produced grain, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. 9 He who has ears,[a] let him hear.”
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Hahahahaahahaha so in other words you are trying to avoid confessing that you have been accusing me and that you don't want to do the necessary work to prove your nonsense, have it your way and be a lazy coward ! lol
you are way out of line
I don't care if someone is posting what I agree with, the name calling and mockery is unbecoming for a Christian ESPECIALLY when they are trying to correct everyone else
listen to me, or listen to a mod because this behavior is going to draw attention to you
Hahahahaahahaha so in other words you are trying to avoid confessing that you have been accusing me and that you don't want to do the necessary work to prove your nonsense, have it your way and be a lazy coward ! lol
It is impossible to prove anything to someone unwilling to listen to what is said to them.
I've been away from the forum for over a year but those who know me know that I am not afraid of an argument.
I know that you are about as teachable as my left shoe; and I don't argue with it either.
(Sorry if this comes out super large print)
(And I hope this don't come across as arguing. I respect yours, and others minds to think for themselves. I'm simply pointing out what I disagree with, according to my own studies. Love you all).
You say...
"Because God’s grace is based on Jesus’ work and not yours, the only way you fall from this grace is by believing that you can earn, merit and deserve it through your obedience and good works."
First of all, God's grace comes from what Jesus did, you are right, we didn't hang on a cross, and even if we did, our blood is not innocent in order to pay for even one sin. HOWEVER, what is dependent on us is RECEIVING that grace- which IS dependent on our obedience. Because God only gives the gift of grace to the group of people who are trying to obey Him. Their obedience does not earn it- just like they cannot hang on the cross to wash away even one sin.
BUT God chooses who to give it to. It's His choice, and He has decided not to give it to those who are not trying to obey Him, even if they call themselves 'Christians' and warm their pews every Sunday morning. These are called 'the Elect of God' but grace is only given to the 'VERY Elect of God'- which are those who not only wear His name, but obey Him also. So grace means nothing if we don't receive it. Even though grace comes from Christ's work, we must work in order to be in the only group who will receive it.
Second of all, you said "The only way you fall from grace is by believing that you can earn grace." (Paraphrasing). That is not so, says this scripture.... "But if you sin willfully, there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins." So this person falls from grace by using grace as a license to sin purposely, premeditated, without goal or effort to stop sinning. There is no scripture that says that you fall from grace by believing you earn grace.
Jesus died to take away (Forgive) the sins of the world
Jn 1:29
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
KJV
This says that Jesus died for everybody's sin.
Jesus suffered horribly both on the night before the crucifixion and on the cross.
What could you possibly do to earn that?
Jn 1:29
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
KJV
This says that Jesus died for everybody's sin.
Jesus suffered horribly both on the night before the crucifixion and on the cross.
What could you possibly do to earn that?
No there is a difference, God showed his grace by sending Jesus, the grace of salvation can be earned by repentance. The Bible contains many parts to prove what I am telling you.
Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
You cannot present anything to disprove that verse, not even saying grace is unmerited will disprove that verse.
Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
You cannot present anything to disprove that verse, not even saying grace is unmerited will disprove that verse.
Jesus died to give every single person the opportunity to be saved. But He says wide is the way that leads to hell, and most enter through it, but narrow is the way that leads to heaven, and only a few find it."
And again, I did not say that we can earn grace. I said we must work, not in order to earn grace, but in order to receive grace. Because God does not give the gift of grace to everyone, but only to the group of people trying to obey Him. Nothing this group can do can earn grace- because their own blood is not innocent. But God only gives the gift of grace to this group- therefore we must be in this group, and what puts us in this group is obedience to God.
And again, I did not say that we can earn grace. I said we must work, not in order to earn grace, but in order to receive grace. Because God does not give the gift of grace to everyone, but only to the group of people trying to obey Him. Nothing this group can do can earn grace- because their own blood is not innocent. But God only gives the gift of grace to this group- therefore we must be in this group, and what puts us in this group is obedience to God.
God provides all that is necessary for salvation, even the ability to work and earn, it's all a gift, what people choose to do with their gift will earn them something in some way, so I still stand by repentance earns the grace of salvation partly because freewill is a gift that can be used to profit a person or give them a loss. The Holy Spirit is given freely to the people who repent and not to the ones who don't repent, that is enough in my opinion to show that yes it is earned and God gives freely and no it is not man who made it possible to be earned.