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The promise was salvation, and the far off are the elect of God chosen before He created the world.

God foreknew EVERYONE so He provided salvation for ALL and He elected ALL and did not want any to perish.

Calvinist is satanic doctrine that claims God actually wants most people to go to hell!

Those believing this will go there themselves because they reject the truth of God's Word
and believe they are superior to all who do not believe their false fake satanic gospel.


Limited Atonement is FALSE

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


God knew about every person that would ever be before the foundation
of the world so "For whom he did foreknow" is speaking of ALL people.


Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.
 
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God foreknew EVERYONE so He provided salvation for ALL and He elected ALL and did not want any to perish.

Calvinist is satanic doctrine that claims God actually wants most people to go to hell!

Those believing this will go there themselves because they reject the truth of God's Word
and believe they are superior to all who do not believe their false fake satanic gospel.


Limited Atonement is FALSE

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


God knew about every person that would ever be before the foundation
of the world so "For whom he did foreknow" is speaking of ALL people.


Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.
Your pushing the Satanic Arminian agenda, which God hates and He casts all those who hold to that doctrine from hell into hell.

There are only two gospel options, the Calvinist option or the Satanic Arminian option.
I you think there's a third option please tell us about it. The Church went to war against itself 500 years ago and hundreds of thousands of brother slaughtered each other, over this very issue and it remains the deal breaker to this day. still

The Church is divided into two camps two camps over this very issue where the Arminian and Calvinist camps are diametrically opposed to each other and they are willing to fight for their position to this day.

I believe all Armenians are going to hell and you believe all Calvinists are going to hell. You can't convince me to become a Arminian and I can't convince you to become a Calvinist.

We have no choice other than to let God judge us and decide which of us is serving Satan and which He should cast into the lake of fire and which one deserves eternal paradise in His Kingdom. .
 

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@Charlie_2024 you never answered,


you said God chose us before the foundation of the earth to be holy and blameless.

Do you understand that's how he chose man to be, before the fall.

Because that was the only time mankind was blameless.

So how did he choose you to be saved before the fall Charlie
 
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Your pushing the Satanic Arminian agenda, which God hates

In case you did not notice, I'm posting what God said from His Word which He loves!

Your blah blah blah does not change the TRUTHFULNESS of what God said in His Word.

The false doctrines of calvinism attempt to make God a liar
 

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God foreknew EVERYONE so He provided salvation for ALL and He elected ALL and did not want any to perish.

Calvinist is satanic doctrine that claims God actually wants most people to go to hell!

Those believing this will go there themselves because they reject the truth of God's Word
and believe they are superior to all who do not believe their false fake satanic gospel.


Limited Atonement is FALSE

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


God knew about every person that would ever be before the foundation
of the world so "For whom he did foreknow" is speaking of ALL people.


Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.
The Gospel is the greatest goodness this world has and will ever know and therefore the greatest evil comes from those who pervert the Gospel and rob God of the glory of His salvation by giving it to men. They are guilty of the blood of all men (Acts 20:26-27) are doubly accursed (Gal 1:8-9) and will wish they were born born at all (Mark 14:21).

The Gospel is to proclaimed to all and it is an aroma of life unto life to some and death unto death to others (2 Cor 2:14-16) for many are called but few are chosen (Mat 22:14). Christ gave His life as a ransom for all (1 Tim 2:6) but He also said He gave His life as a ransom for many (Mat 20:28) which means He died for all of the many and not all of the all.

Christ laid down His life for the sheep (John 10:11,15) and not the goats who are not His sheep and do not believe (John 10:26).

To say that Christ came to make salvation possible upon the choice of men and not to secure salvation for His people by saving them from their sins (Mat 1:21) is to pervert the Gospel.
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In case you did not notice, I'm posting what God said from His Word which He loves!

Your blah blah blah does not change the TRUTHFULNESS of what God said in His Word.

The false doctrines of calvinism attempt to make God a liar
God's Word says that He loves those who love Him and they only do so because He fist loved them (Pro 8:17, 1 Jn 4:19).

Does God love those He justly casts into Hell?
 

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God's Word says that He loves those who love Him and they only do so because He fist loved them (Pro 8:17, 1 Jn 4:19).

Does God love those He justly casts into Hell?
are you saying mankind are totally depraved to. yes a person has to have something in them to love back. Or a person will love back if you love them

How do animals know how to love.



 

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He told them.. if you were blind you would have no sin. You say you see your sin still remains. I understand the who and the time yet it still hold true today. Most are blind. Which one of us do not believe know our personal truth is the real truth? I always share this prophet in the 50's.. I will again. There are allot of different doctrines here but not with the one that matters most. John 3:16.

Maybe we should speak a tad different to those that could be blind. Not push them farther away.
 
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@Charlie_2024 you never answered,


you said God chose us before the foundation of the earth to be holy and blameless.

Do you understand that's how he chose man to be, before the fall.

Because that was the only time mankind was blameless.

So how did he choose you to be saved before the fall Charlie
That's an easy one. He chose us to be holy and blameless before the fall, but we don't become that until He does the work of regeneration, sanctification and then we become like our Lord. The fact that God sees the whole of history in the present means He can speak in past, present and future tense as if they have come to pass already.

Our problem is we try to force God into our narrow present tense and demand Him to make us see what He sees. And that shows how foolish we are, because it would blow our minds. We don't have the capacity to run such a high voltage processor, we only have a tiny little motherboard, which melts down at the slightest power surge
 

Thunderrr-mental

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That's an easy one. He chose us to be holy and blameless before the fall, but we don't become that until He does the work of regeneration, sanctification and then we become like our Lord. The fact that God sees the whole of history in the present means He can speak in past, present and future tense as if they have come to pass already.

Our problem is we try to force God into our narrow present tense and demand Him to make us see what He sees. And that shows how foolish we are, because it would blow our minds. We don't have the capacity to run such a high voltage processor, we only have a tiny little motherboard, which melts down at the slightest power surge
so your a Calvinist to.

Fantastic
 
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In case you did not notice, I'm posting what God said from His Word which He loves!

Your blah blah blah does not change the TRUTHFULNESS of what God said in His Word.

The false doctrines of calvinism attempt to make God a liar
In case you didn't notice, I'm posting what God said from His Word which He loves!

Your blah blah blah does not change the TRUTHFULNESS of what God said in His Word.

The false doctrines of your Arminianism, attempt to make God a liar.

Your emotions and feelings don't change what Gpd said. You can't twist Gods Word to make it say what you want it to say to support your false religion. Your religion must comply with Gods commandments. You want to force God to comply with your religion but God hates false religion, so it's not gonna happen for you.

How can you push your Arminian denomination as being Biblically correct when there is no evidence or supporting scriptures. All you offer is your emotions and o Biblical facts, to support them.
 

Thunderrr-mental

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In case you didn't notice, I'm posting what God said from His Word which He loves!

Your blah blah blah does not change the TRUTHFULNESS of what God said in His Word.

The false doctrines of your Arminianism, attempt to make God a liar.

Your emotions and feelings don't change what Gpd said. You can't twist Gods Word to make it say what you want it to say to support your false religion. Your religion must comply with Gods commandments. You want to force God to comply with your religion but God hates false religion, so it's not gonna happen for you.

How can you push your Arminian denomination as being Biblically correct when there is no evidence or supporting scriptures. All you offer is your emotions and o Biblical facts, to support them.
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so your a Calvinist to.

Fantastic
No, I'm a believer and follower of the Lord Jesus Christ. John Calvin became popular for exposing Jacob Arminius's false man centered gospel 500 years ago, since then all those who still believe the false Arminian gospel mock true believers and call them Calvinists. But we don't follow Calvin, we follow God and believe every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

God said, cursed is the man who trusts in man. This is why the Arminian's falsely accuse us of following Calvin while they are cursed following Arminius.
 

Thunderrr-mental

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No, I'm a believer and follower of the Lord Jesus Christ. John Calvin became popular for exposing Jacob Arminius's false man centered gospel 500 years ago, since then all those who still believe the false Arminian gospel mock true believers and call them Calvinists. But we don't follow Calvin, we follow God and believe every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

God said, cursed is the man who trusts in man. This is why the Arminian's falsely accuse us of following Calvin while they are cursed following Arminius.
well yobe just promoted two Calvinist beliefs in this thread and another thread.

And now your attacking Armenians just like calvinists do
Either you are a Calvinist or you don't know you are one
 

Thunderrr-mental

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No, I'm a believer and follower of the Lord Jesus Christ. John Calvin became popular for exposing Jacob Arminius's false man centered gospel 500 years ago, since then all those who still believe the false Arminian gospel mock true believers and call them Calvinists. But we don't follow Calvin, we follow God and believe every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

God said, cursed is the man who trusts in man. This is why the Arminian's falsely accuse us of following Calvin while they are cursed following Arminius.
yeah keep attacking the natural man, and pushing your hell speech to believers


The word Jesus spoke was mostly spoken to the sinner and the natural man when he was here.

Then he also tells us the sinner and the natural man can still love.

So yeah stand on your pedestal and put that in your pipe and smoke it 😊
 
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well yobe just promoted two Calvinist beliefs in this thread and another thread.

And now your attacking Armenians just like calvinists do
Either you are a Calvinist or you don't know you are one
You do know the difference between Calvinism and Arminianism, right.

It's simple, Calvinists believe God choses us. Arminian's believe we choose God.

You can label me a Calvinist if it makes you feel better, because I do believe that God choses His people. Because that's what the Bible says, so regardless of who says what it what the Bible says that matters and the rest is noise pollution.
 
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yeah keep attacking the natural man, and pushing your hell speech to believers


The word Jesus spoke was mostly spoken to the sinner and the natural man when he was here.

Then he also tells us the sinner and the natural man can still love.

So yeah stand on your pedestal and put that in your pipe and smoke it 😊
I'll smoke it all day long, if you show me where Jesus spoke any such nonsense
 

Thunderrr-mental

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I'll smoke it all day long, if you show me where Jesus spoke any such nonsense
well try reading the whole of Luke 6 here I'll point you in the right direction 😊
Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath
6 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples began to pick some heads of grain, rub them in their hands and eat the kernels. 2 Some of the Pharisees asked, “Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”

3 Jesus answered them, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.” 5 Then Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

6 On another Sabbath he went into the synagogue and was teaching, and a man was there whose right hand was shriveled. 7 The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath. 8 But Jesus knew what they were thinking and said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Get up and stand in front of everyone.” So he got up and stood there.

9 Then Jesus said to them, “I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?”

10 He looked around at them all, and then said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He did so, and his hand was completely restored. 11 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law were furious and began to discuss with one another what they might do to Jesus.

The Twelve Apostles
12 One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. 13 When morning came, he called his disciples to him and chose twelve of them, whom he also designated apostles: 14 Simon (whom he named Peter), his brother Andrew, James, John, Philip, Bartholomew, 15 Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Simon who was called the Zealot, 16 Judas son of James, and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor.

Blessings and Woes
17 He went down with them and stood on a level place. A large crowd of his disciples was there and a great number of people from all over Judea, from Jerusalem, and from the coastal region around Tyre and Sidon, 18 who had come to hear him and to be healed of their diseases. Those troubled by impure spirits were cured, 19 and the people all tried to touch him, because power was coming from him and healing them all.

20 Looking at his disciples, he said:

“Blessed are you who are poor,
for yours is the kingdom of God.
21 Blessed are you who hunger now,
for you will be satisfied.
Blessed are you who weep now,
for you will laugh.
22 Blessed are you when people hate you,
when they exclude you and insult you
and reject your name as evil,
because of the Son of Man.
23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.

24 “But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
25 Woe to you who are well fed now,
for you will go hungry.
Woe to you who laugh now,
for you will mourn and weep.
26 Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you,
for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.
Love for Enemies
27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.

32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

Judging Others
37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

39 He also told them this parable: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40 The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.

41 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 42 How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

A Tree and Its Fruit
43 “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. 44 Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. 45 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

The Wise and Foolish Builders
46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? 47 As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. 48 They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. 49 But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete