GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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Jackson123

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Now dear if that was true you would be able respond to all the scripture that disagree with you above to PS and below here that you ignore at the peril of your own salvation.

If you have God's WORD prove what you say is correct? All you provide is your own words over God's WORD. Only God's Word is true dear and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the traditions of men that break the Commandments of God.

1. CLICK ME FOR COL 2:14-17


2. CLICK HERE; WHAT MAKES UP THE OLD COVENANT?

3. CLICK HERE; SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT?.

4. CLICK HERE; WHY THE SABBATH CANNOT BE A CEREMONIAL LAW?

5. CLICK HERE: WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO ENTER GOD'S REST?

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Dear, why you want me to respon what you say " all the scripture that disagree with me"

I agree with all the scripture

you proven to be disagree with scripture.

Lee me say one more time

col 2:14

blotting out the handwriting ordinance, you not agree than you change into


blotting out only Moses handwriting ordinance

and you you ignore it.

Why I spend time to read all those manipulated verse if it will not change you.

if it make you repent, I will do what ever I can dear. God want me to love other, mean to do what ever I can to bring you to the Lord, not to Ellen.

but, diplomatic approach seem not work. It may need pray.
 
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i never seen that movie, but I did prove brother LGF change col 2:14 dear
No you didn't dear maybe in your mind you did but your mind is not God's Word. According to God's Word you reject the writings of the bible in order to follow your tradtion that breaks God's Commandments. This is something Jesus and the Apostles never did.

This is why you can only speak your own words over God's and cannot answer the posts and scriptures in them that disagree with you.

If you have God's WORD prove what you say is correct dear. Simply saying you have proved something when you have not only says you do not have God's Word and try to make your words over God's Word.

Only God's Word is true dear and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the traditions of men that break the Commandments of God.

1. CLICK ME FOR COL 2:14-17


2. CLICK HERE; WHAT MAKES UP THE OLD COVENANT?

3. CLICK HERE; SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT?.

4. CLICK HERE; WHY THE SABBATH CANNOT BE A CEREMONIAL LAW?

5. CLICK HERE: WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO ENTER GOD'S REST?

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

graceNpeace

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None of which is being addressed in this thread.
If this is the case, then why did LGF mention it (investigative judgement)?
Furthermore, this thread is a bastardisation of a key text that totally destroys SDA doctrine relating to the law and Sabbath-keeping.
LGF is an unashamed SDA apologist who is pursuing an aggressive defence of Ellen G. White's writings.
The fact that he won't admit to this is neither here nor there to anyone who knows what Ellen G. White wrote and the subsequent development of SDA doctrine.

Given that in SDA doctrine Ellen G. White is regarded as, at least, co-authoritative with the Bible and that LGF is trying to argue his case on a supposedly orthodox Christian forum that believes in sola scripture, LGF cannot afford to admit that his primary source of revelation is, in fact, Ellen G. White.

The lack of honesty shown by LGF in admitting the true source of his doctrinal beliefs (Ellen G. White) is entirely consistent with the outreach activities of the SDA church, which is notorious for not revealing, and actively hiding, its true identity. In Australia, at least, the SDA church has been taken to task several times in this regard.

Trying to debate on SCRIPTURAL terms, what LGF is asserting, is a fruitless exercise primarily because most individuals who attempt this do not realise that they are not debating Scripture on its own merits. Rather LGF is employing any tactic to defend revelation (small r revelation) and doctrine that is extra-Biblical. The fact that he is fond of deluging his posts with Scripture does not mean that he is devoted to Scripture and its meaning - rather, he is defending Ellen G. White and her beliefs.

As a result this thread, and every other thread started by LGF, is debated at cross-purposes, with most respondents unaware of who and what they are really arguing with (Ellen G. White). For LGF Scripture is most emphatically NOT his final authority, it is Ellen G. White. LGF steadfastly refuses to acknowledge this key fact, all the while maintaining his devotion to Scripture (sola scriptura), when in fact Scripture is merely a vehicle for selling the heretical propaganda of Ellen G. White.

This forum would not tolerate Mormon's for the very excellent reason that they also appeal to extra-Biblical authority, yet LGF appears to enjoy a free run here - largely due to ignorance of what the SDA church really believe.
Ellen G. White is not merely regarded as a respected theologian in the SDA Church. She is regarded as a Prophet who has added Revelation to the Bible. This is an outrageous claim in itself. Furthermore, her published writings have been found to be of a very poor standard with innumerable instances of plagiarism. She herself claimed these writings as Revelation directly from God yet she has just copied bits and pieces, as she saw fit, of the writings of others without ever acknowledging the fact.
This is just a form of FRAUD.
The SDA Church has steadfastly refused to acknowledge the controversy swirling around Ellen G. White and her writings. In fact they have elevated her to the status of prophet and her writings as having, at least, co-authority with the Bible.

No Bible-believing Christian can afford to tolerate such a situation. LGF is absolutely complicit in this huge lie. Not only is he peddling the heretical doctrines invented by Ellen G. White, he is steadfastly denying the real source of everything that he is claiming - Ellen G. White. This is fraudulent!
Were he to have clearly stated up front the source of his doctrinal position (the writings of Ellen G. White) then it would be possible to debate with him on somewhat equal terms because then one could clearly see the appeal to extra-Biblical authority...

Furthermore, concern about the SDA Church is not limited to its strange theological and doctrinal positions, but also its practice. Most uniformed Christians just regard the SDA Church, although a bit "different" from other Christian denominations as part of the Christian brotherhood. The situation from within the SDA Church is much different!
The SDA Church regards everyone not within its membership as wholly apostate and hell-bound!
Reinforcing its cultic practices is the fact that if anyone attempts to leave the SDA fold they are subject to extreme social and psychological pressures. In the case of SDA clergy wishing to leave that church the abuse to which they are subject is simply criminal!

So, for those who wish to interact with LGF bear in mind that he does not see himself bound by the same rules of Biblical interpretation as Bible-believing Christians, nor the same rules of spiritual interaction. Instead he will impose the doctrines of Ellen G. White onto the Biblical text content in the belief that this is correct given that her writings are of at least equal authority with the Bible and will aggressively push his beliefs on this forum, again content in the belief that all of us are hopeless apostates.....

Be warned!
 
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If this is the case, then why did LGF mention it (investigative judgement)?
Furthermore, this thread is a bastardisation of a key text that totally destroys SDA doctrine relating to the law and Sabbath-keeping.
LGF is an unashamed SDA apologist who is pursuing an aggressive defence of Ellen G. White's writings.
The fact that he won't admit to this is neither here nor there to anyone who knows what Ellen G. White wrote and the subsequent development of SDA doctrine.

Given that in SDA doctrine Ellen G. White is regarded as, at least, co-authoritative with the Bible and that LGF is trying to argue his case on a supposedly orthodox Christian forum that believes in sola scripture, LGF cannot afford to admit that his primary source of revelation is, in fact, Ellen G. White.

The lack of honesty shown by LGF in admitting the true source of his doctrinal beliefs (Ellen G. White) is entirely consistent with the outreach activities of the SDA church, which is notorious for not revealing, and actively hiding, its true identity. In Australia, at least, the SDA church has been taken to task several times in this regard.

Trying to debate on SCRIPTURAL terms, what LGF is asserting, is a fruitless exercise primarily because most individuals who attempt this do not realise that they are not debating Scripture on its own merits. Rather LGF is employing any tactic to defend revelation (small r revelation) and doctrine that is extra-Biblical. The fact that he is fond of deluging his posts with Scripture does not mean that he is devoted to Scripture and its meaning - rather, he is defending Ellen G. White and her beliefs.

As a result this thread, and every other thread started by LGF, is debated at cross-purposes, with most respondents unaware of who and what they are really arguing with (Ellen G. White). For LGF Scripture is most emphatically NOT his final authority, it is Ellen G. White. LGF steadfastly refuses to acknowledge this key fact, all the while maintaining his devotion to Scripture (sola scriptura), when in fact Scripture is merely a vehicle for selling the heretical propaganda of Ellen G. White.

This forum would not tolerate Mormon's for the very excellent reason that they also appeal to extra-Biblical authority, yet LGF appears to enjoy a free run here - largely due to ignorance of what the SDA church really believe.
Ellen G. White is not merely regarded as a respected theologian in the SDA Church. She is regarded as a Prophet who has added Revelation to the Bible. This is an outrageous claim in itself. Furthermore, her published writings have been found to be of a very poor standard with innumerable instances of plagiarism. She herself claimed these writings as Revelation directly from God yet she has just copied bits and pieces, as she saw fit, of the writings of others without ever acknowledging the fact.
This is just a form of FRAUD.
The SDA Church has steadfastly refused to acknowledge the controversy swirling around Ellen G. White and her writings. In fact they have elevated her to the status of prophet and her writings as having, at least, co-authority with the Bible.

No Bible-believing Christian can afford to tolerate such a situation. LGF is absolutely complicit in this huge lie. Not only is he peddling the heretical doctrines invented by Ellen G. White, he is steadfastly denying the real source of everything that he is claiming - Ellen G. White. This is fraudulent!
Were he to have clearly stated up front the source of his doctrinal position (the writings of Ellen G. White) then it would be possible to debate with him on somewhat equal terms because then one could clearly see the appeal to extra-Biblical authority...

Furthermore, concern about the SDA Church is not limited to its strange theological and doctrinal positions, but also its practice. Most uniformed Christians just regard the SDA Church, although a bit "different" from other Christian denominations as part of the Christian brotherhood. The situation from within the SDA Church is much different!
The SDA Church regards everyone not within its membership as wholly apostate and hell-bound!
Reinforcing its cultic practices is the fact that if anyone attempts to leave the SDA fold they are subject to extreme social and psychological pressures. In the case of SDA clergy wishing to leave that church the abuse to which they are subject is simply criminal!

So, for those who wish to interact with LGF bear in mind that he does not see himself bound by the same rules of Biblical interpretation as Bible-believing Christians, nor the same rules of spiritual interaction. Instead he will impose the doctrines of Ellen G. White onto the Biblical text content in the belief that this is correct given that her writings are of at least equal authority with the Bible and will aggressively push his beliefs on this forum, again content in the belief that all of us are hopeless apostates.....

Be warned!
Hello GNP,

Here you go stating your words over God's WORD again speaking of yourself and not of God.

There is some posts waiting for you from God's WORD in relation to the INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT that you have not responded to in POST # 7228 linked and POST # 7229 linked.

I have provided scripture from God's WORD. Where are your sciptures? I guess if you have nothing from the WORD of GOD to share you can only speak your own words over Gods' Word.

This is what many of the religious teachers did against Jesus in his day because they did not know Gods Word and did not recognise it when God was speaking to them. They called Jesus of the devil because they did not know him or God's WORD. So will it be with all those who follow him and those who follow the devil.

Did you have anything from God's Word to share?

Only God's Word is true we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. UNBELIEVERS will NOT inherit the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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graceNpeace

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Hello GNP,

Here you go stating your words over God's WORD again speaking of yourself and not of God.

There is some posts waiting for you from God's WORD in relation to the INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT that you have not responded to in POST # 7228 linked and POST # 7229 linked.

I have provided scripture from God's WORD. Where are your sciptures?

Did you have anything from God's Word to share?

Only God's Word is true we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. UNBELIEVERS will NOT inherit the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
I don't care what YOU say - YOU are no authority to me!
Furthermore YOU do not speak for the authority of the God, or the Word of God.
YOU speak for your own heretical beliefs, period!
 
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I don't care what YOU say - YOU are no authority to me!
Furthermore YOU do not speak for the authority of the God, or the Word of God.
YOU speak for your own heretical beliefs, period!
INDEED I am not, but God is and you reject his Word. I share only the Word of God if you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW Gods' Word then you are not of GOD neither do you know him.

1 John 2
3,
And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Jackson123

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No you didn't dear maybe in your mind you did but your mind is not God's Word. According to God's Word you reject the writings of the bible in order to follow your tradtion that breaks God's Commandments. This is something Jesus and the Apostles never did.

This is why you can only speak your own words over God's and cannot answer the posts and scriptures in them that disagree with you.

If you have God's WORD prove what you say is correct dear. Simply saying you have proved something when you have not only says you do not have God's Word and try to make your words over God's Word.

Only God's Word is true dear and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the traditions of men that break the Commandments of God.

1. CLICK ME FOR COL 2:14-17


2. CLICK HERE; WHAT MAKES UP THE OLD COVENANT?

3. CLICK HERE; SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT?.

4. CLICK HERE; WHY THE SABBATH CANNOT BE A CEREMONIAL LAW?

5. CLICK HERE: WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO ENTER GOD'S REST?

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Let do this dear

give me no more than 5 sentence answer, on col 2:14 what is :

1. Handwriting mean.
2. Ordinance mean
3. Blotting out mean

i hope this question make you aware that you change the verse
 
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Hardly....
But, I emphatically reject your bastardised interpretations of the Word!
INEED you reject God's WORD. Only God's Word has been shared with you and say Sola Scriptura yet provide nothing from God's Word when ONLY God's WORD is shared with you then you respond not with Sola Scriptura but with your own words over God's in order to follow your Catholic heritage.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

graceNpeace

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INEED you reject God's WORD. Only God's Word has been shared with you and say Sola Scriptura yet provide nothing from God's Word when ONLY God's WORD is shared with you then you respond not with Sola Scriptura but with your own words over God's in order to follow your Catholic heritage.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Like I said - your bleatings and threats are of no consequence to me...
 
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Let do this dear

give me no more than 5 sentence answer, on col 2:14 what is :

1. Handwriting mean.
2. Ordinance mean
3. Blotting out mean

i hope this question make you aware that you change the verse
Hello dear, God's Word from v14 GREEK meaning from the bible says.....

1. Handwriting mean = written legal manucript
2. Ordinance mean = CIVIL, CEREMONIAL, ECCLESIASTICAL laws
3. Blotting out mean = Erase, rub out gone

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GREEK BIBLE MEANING

v14
, BLOTTING OUT < G1813 ἐξαλείφωexaleipho (ex-a-lei'-fō) v. means to rub out, i.e. obliterate, erase> the HANDWRITING < G5498 χειρόγραφον cheirographon (chei-ro'-gra-fon) n. means something hand-written (“chirograph”), i.e. a manuscript specially, a legal document > of ORDINANCES < G1378 δόγμα dogma (d̮og'-ma) n. means ordinance; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical laws> that was against us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


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MORE SUPPORTING SCRIPTURE 1

MORE SUPPORTING SCRIPTURE 2

Hope this help you dear.

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Only God's Word is true dear and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the traditions of men that break the Commandments of God.

1. CLICK ME FOR COL 2:14-17


2. CLICK HERE; WHAT MAKES UP THE OLD COVENANT?

3. CLICK HERE; SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT?.

4. CLICK HERE; WHY THE SABBATH CANNOT BE A CEREMONIAL LAW?

5. CLICK HERE: WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO ENTER GOD'S REST?

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Dan your two answers were from the same question earlier.

If you cannot find the scripture that states how many commandments were written by God on the two tables of stone I am happy to help you.
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Exo 34:28
And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deu 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spoke unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

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Should we continue now?

No hurry when you are ready. Happy to move through this slowly.
this is what gave me pause

Exodus 24: 12. And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. - Bible Offline

so i agree that God wrote the Ten commandments on two tables of stone

there may have been other tables with laws on them
 
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Originally Posted by LoveGodForever


Dan your two answers were from the same question earlier.

If you cannot find the scripture that states how many commandments were written by God on the two tables of stone I am happy to help you.
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Exo 34:28
And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deu 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spoke unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

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Should we continue now?

No hurry when you are ready. Happy to move through this slowly.
this is what gave me pause

Exodus 24: 12. And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. - Bible Offline

so i agree that God wrote the Ten commandments on two tables of stone

there may have been other tables with laws on them

No worries Dan take your time. There is no other tables that God wrote on there is only two that have the 10 commandments written on them (see scriptures above posted earlier) 10 Commandments on tables of stone....

Ok your think now there may be more tables of stone that God wrote on... Here is another scriopture that may help to show there is only two that have the 10 Commandments and no other laws did God write besides the 10 Commandments.

So we can add this next verse which should help you here...

Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of speaking with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Are you ready to move forward now?
Do you know what the OLD Covenant is and what laws make up the OLD Covenant and why God commanded these laws to be separated in the ARK of the Covenant?

No need for a long answer if your not able to.
 

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Hello dear, God's Word from v14 GREEK meaning from the bible says.....

1. Handwriting mean = written legal manucript
2. Ordinance mean = CIVIL, CEREMONIAL, ECCLESIASTICAL laws
3. Blotting out mean = Erase, rub out gone

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GREEK BIBLE MEANING

v14
, BLOTTING OUT < G1813 ἐξαλείφωexaleipho (ex-a-lei'-fō) v. means to rub out, i.e. obliterate, erase> the HANDWRITING < G5498 χειρόγραφον cheirographon (chei-ro'-gra-fon) n. means something hand-written (“chirograph”), i.e. a manuscript specially, a legal document > of ORDINANCES < G1378 δόγμα dogma (d̮og'-ma) n. means ordinance; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical laws> that was against us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


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MORE SUPPORTING SCRIPTURE 1

MORE SUPPORTING SCRIPTURE 2

Hope this help you dear.

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Only God's Word is true dear and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the traditions of men that break the Commandments of God.

1. CLICK ME FOR COL 2:14-17


2. CLICK HERE; WHAT MAKES UP THE OLD COVENANT?

3. CLICK HERE; SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT?.

4. CLICK HERE; WHY THE SABBATH CANNOT BE A CEREMONIAL LAW?

5. CLICK HERE: WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO ENTER GOD'S REST?

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Thanks dear

1. Handwriting mean written legal manuscript.

manuscrip mean manual written /not print or type. All scripture originally manual written because there isn't printer or type writer then. So 10 C is in this category, because it is legal manuscript

2. You say ordinance mean ecclesiastical law

ecclesiastical law
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[h=3]nthe body of codified laws governing the affairs of a Christian church[/h]


I check in dictionary this mean the law governing the church, back tnan in Moses time call congregation.

so 10 C in this category

3. Blotting mean gone

that mean 1 and 2 gone in the sense of being fulfill after Jesus die on the cross.

That is why if SDA say you have to follow Jesus, if Jesus observe sabbath on Saturday, we have to do it, if Jesus circumcised we have to do it, how about women. Also SDA must prove that Jesus observe sabbath on Saturday after His resurrection, remember

the word nailed on the cross in col2:14

that mean handwriting ordinance gone after cross not before.
 

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2 Corinthians 3 can only be referring to one thing called a ministration of death written on tables of stone, taken away and replaced with something far more glorious.

When it says one covenant brought condemnation and we are ministers of a new and different one, there is no dissimulation.
 
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2 Corinthians 3 can only be referring to one thing called a ministration of death written on tables of stone, taken away and replaced with something far more glorious.

When it says one covenant brought condemnation and we are ministers of a new and different one, there is no dissimulation.
I see you decline to join the OLD Covenant discussion that leads into the NEW PH? Did you want to talk about 2 COR3 now? How can you know what the ministration of death is if you do not know what the COVENANT are or what is the ministration of death?

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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I don't want human feeble words that reject scripture. I have my Thompson Study Bible out and I expect you to accept the teaching of the divinely inspired Word, that gets shredded to pieces on here and elsewhere.
Then why do you post website studies and teachings from random websites that teach against God's LAW and the prophets? This is something Jesus or the Apostles never did.

Although you did post one the other day that supports what is being said here on this OP in relation to the CEREMONIAL laws of COL 2 which was good. Maybe you should have read that one before you posted it though I guess as it does not agree with your teachings.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

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2 Corinthians 3 can only be referring to one thing called a ministration of death written on tables of stone, taken away and replaced with something far more glorious.

When it says one covenant brought condemnation and we are ministers of a new and different one, there is no dissimulation.
Ministration is the way it is conveyed. GOD's intent went from being written in the Letter and on Tables of Stone to the fleshy tables of our hearts. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel (those who will stand (contend) with GOD) after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:For the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the Word; The Book of the Law) down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the Word; The Book of the Law) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; The Book of the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; For Christ (The word; The Book of the Law in thy mouth, and in thy heart that thy do it with the right heart of faith) is the end of the (written) law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

(Heb 8:10; Rom 10:6-8,4)
 

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If this is the case, then why did LGF mention it (investigative judgement)?!
And yet you have not posted anything but an an attack on his person, Ellen White and the SDA Church. This is the Bible Discussion Forum on Christian chat not LoveGodForever, or Ellen White, or SDA forum of Christian Chat. Prove his posts are wrong rather than attack his character or something you know or think about him.
 

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Lest anyone beguile you with clever sounding argument...
Your post here translates to, "I have nothing to refute what they are saying, so now I will troll with random scripture that are not even addressing what is being put forth here."