GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Dan_473]

As is your custom you only post scriptures which support your ancient religious traditions.

But if you were interested in letting the Word which became Flesh direct your footsteps, you would see differently.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Did the Mainstream Preachers of His Time know what they worshipped?

I think not.

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

Do you think those Mainstream preachers thought they were serving satan?


They had corrupted God's Word and had preached lies about God for centuries.


Matt. 15: 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

How long after Isaiah was this written?

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Not God.

Is a Jew a Jew Spiritually for does DNA matter? Is Jerusalem a place or Spiritual mindset.

You are preaching to people about God and you have no idea what you are talking about because you openly reject His instructions, and follow the instructions of men you don't even know.

Israelite males were told go to Jerusalem three times a year

Jesus says that will change

ibelieve we already agreed that God can change commandments

 

[Dan_473]

As is your custom you only post scriptures which support your ancient religious traditions.

But if you were interested in letting the Word which became Flesh direct your footsteps, you would see differently.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Did the Mainstream Preachers of His Time know what they worshipped?

I think not.

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

Do you think those Mainstream preachers thought they were serving satan?


They had corrupted God's Word and had preached lies about God for centuries.


Matt. 15: 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

How long after Isaiah was this written?

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Not God.

Is a Jew a Jew Spiritually for does DNA matter? Is Jerusalem a place or Spiritual mindset.

You are preaching to people about God and you have no idea what you are talking about because you openly reject His instructions, and follow the instructions of men you don't even know.

"You are preaching to people about God and you have no idea what you are talking about because you openly reject His instructions, and follow the instructions of men you don't even know."

i suggest leaving off the personal attacks.

 

[Dan_473]

Always be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks you about the hope you have. Be ready to give the reason for it. But do it gently and with respect.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter3&version=NIRV

 

[Endoscopy]

"We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin."

You think Paul is talking about himself in Christ? The man who said, he died to himself, but lives only to Christ, it's not him, but Christ who lives, that if we are not lead by the Spirit we are not His, and that we are free from the law of sin and death.

We are under the law!! Jesus said the law is eternal. We admit this when we say we sin since sin is breaking the law. Paul is saying his mind wants to follow God but his sin nature causes him to fail. If you admit you have sinned then you are doing what Paul was talking about. Allowing the law of sin in all of us to have us sin!! We can only thank Jesus for his sacrifice allowing us to be saved by grace through faith in Jesus as our savior!!!

 

[Jackson123]

We are under the law!! Jesus said the law is eternal. We admit this when we say we sin since sin is breaking the law. Paul is saying his mind wants to follow God but his sin nature causes him to fail. If you admit you have sinned then you are doing what Paul was talking about. Allowing the law of sin in all of us to have us sin!! We can only thank Jesus for his sacrifice allowing us to be saved by grace through faith in Jesus as our savior!!!

This is a confusing part of the Bible. We are a sinner, no question. We break the law. Than we save by grace through faith.

Is ok to kill every day and save because salvation by grace?

than we know salvation change us, mean when Jesus in us, we will stop killing.

it call repent. Is our salvation stop us of doing sin? Is salvation make us holy without sin?

 

[Cee]

We are under the law!! Jesus said the law is eternal. We admit this when we say we sin since sin is breaking the law. Paul is saying his mind wants to follow God but his sin nature causes him to fail. If you admit you have sinned then you are doing what Paul was talking about. Allowing the law of sin in all of us to have us sin!! We can only thank Jesus for his sacrifice allowing us to be saved by grace through faith in Jesus as our savior!!!

Ew, I am not under the law. Speak for yourself.

 

[beta]

No, under the New covenant the law is no longer binding - the Sabbath was given as part of the Torah to Moses, and it is no longer binding....
Jesus Christ, by His crucifixion fulfilled the righteous demands of the Law - all of it!
Not selected bits and pieces with special exemptions like the Sabbath...

This fiction that man changed things is plain wrong - nothing more than crude propaganda from the SDA and other Sabbatarian groups.

All you ever do is deny/reject the 7th day Sabbath with never any scripture to support your accusations....because there are none !
Yashua as our Example lived and kept the Sabbath day, He did not need to keep commanding it....anyone who has HIS Spirit will himself keep it !!!

 

[beta]

sure, the day is still the Sabbath

we follow the spirit regarding keeping it

so why the problems and controversies ?

 

[beta]

the issue isn't Did Jesus tellus before hand

but something different after the "but now"

Heb 7v12 For the Priesthood being changed there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
This refers to the change 'from the letter TO the Spirit ! it does NOT allow us to change times and days ! THAT is what christians have done through and by the church of Rome and is leading many to be deceived ! changing GOD's Day is a serious SIN that will keep you out of HIS Kingdom !

 

[Jackson123]

Heb 7v12 For the Priesthood being changed there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
This refers to the change 'from the letter TO the Spirit ! it does NOT allow us to change times and days ! THAT is what christians have done through and by the church of Rome and is leading many to be deceived ! changing GOD's Day is a serious SIN that will keep you out of HIS Kingdom !

how to change time and days?

 

[Shamah]

Heb 7v12 For the Priesthood being changed there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
This refers to the change 'from the letter TO the Spirit ! it does NOT allow us to change times and days ! THAT is what christians have done through and by the church of Rome and is leading many to be deceived ! changing GOD's Day is a serious SIN that will keep you out of HIS Kingdom !

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 7:13, “For He of whom this is said belongs to another tribe, from which no one had attended at the Altar. For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 7:11-12, “Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed (#G3331), there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]For the priesthood being changed (#G3331)”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]changed” is word #G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis (me-ta'-the-sis) n., transposition, i.e. transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law). [from G3346], KJV: change, removing, translation, Root(s): G3346 [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis; 1) transfer: from one place to another 2) to change 2a) of things instituted or established[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]As in the priesthood on earth, the Levite priesthood has been abolished, and the Priesthood in the heavens, carried out by Yahshua is established. This “change” or “metathesis” is a removal of one that is replaced by another.[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]From G3346; transposition, that is, transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law):—change, removing, translation.[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]change” is word #G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi (me-ta-tiy'-thee-miy) v., 1. to transfer., 2. (literally) to transport., 3. (by implication) to exchange., 4. (reflexively) to change sides. [from G3326 and G5087], KJV: carry over, change, remove, translate, turn, Root(s): G3326, G5087[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi; 1) to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other) 1a) to transfer 1b) to change 1c) to transfer one's self or suffer one's self to be transferred 1c1) to go or pass over 1c2) to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi; From G3326 and G5087; to transfer, that is, (literally) transport, (by implication) exchange, (reflexively) change sides, or (figuratively) pervert:—carry over, change, remove, translate, turn.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]As in the Law has been transferred, not mediated by Levites but mediated by Yahshua the High Priest. This “change” or “metatithemi” is a transferral.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:6, “Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 7:24-25,"but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]through Him[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], ever living to make intercession for them."[/FONT]

 

[Shamah]

how to change time and days?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 12:9 “And the great dragon was thrown out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who leads all the world astray. He was thrown to the earth, and his messengers were thrown out with him.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950 - “Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Catholic Record, September 17, 1893 - “Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Magazine, USA (1975), Chicago, Illinois, “Under the blessing of the Pope Pius XI” - “It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible.”[/FONT]

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[Jackson123]

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"


Revelation 12:9 “And the great dragon was thrown out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who leads all the world astray. He was thrown to the earth, and his messengers were thrown out with him.”


Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950 - “Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.”


Catholic Record, September 17, 1893 - “Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.”


Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Magazine, USA (1975), Chicago, Illinois, “Under the blessing of the Pope Pius XI” - “It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible.”

Seem to me Dan 7:25 is talking about the antichrist to come. I believe it's the last pope, not happen yet.

 

[Gabriel2020]

It is not the pope, and the anti-christ will not set up in no other place other than Jerusalem. This man will be born to hate God, and everything God stands for. He will not come in by false pretense. He will make it known that he hates God.

 

[Jackson123]

It is not the pope, and the anti-christ will not set up in no other place other than Jerusalem. This man will be born to hate God, and everything God stands for. He will not come in by false pretense. He will make it known that he hates God.

Seem to me antichrist pretend to be christian

1 john 2

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

it say went out from us. Because John is Christian, so us in this verse represent Christian.

in other word, antichrist come from the organization that present to be Christian, but not

when out from us but not of us.

 

[graceNpeace]

All you ever do is deny/reject the 7th day Sabbath with never any scripture to support your accusations....because there are none !
Yashua as our Example lived and kept the Sabbath day, He did not need to keep commanding it....anyone who has HIS Spirit will himself keep it !!!

It wouldn't matter if I did - and I have!
Any evidence I give would just be ignored - as it has been!

In addition, I don't post for your benefit - you have so drowned in your own cultic legalistic beliefs to the extent that any logic and reasonable evidence presented just cannot be appreciated...

The Sabbath, along with the rest of the Torah, has been abrogated by the New covenant - there is NO obligation on any New covenant believer to observe the Sabbath!

 

[beta]

It wouldn't matter if I did - and I have!
Any evidence I give would just be ignored - as it has been!

In addition, I don't post for your benefit - you have so drowned in your own cultic legalistic beliefs to the extent that any logic and reasonable evidence presented just cannot be appreciated...

The Sabbath, along with the rest of the Torah, has been abrogated by the New covenant - there is NO obligation on any New covenant believer to observe the Sabbath!

Indeed no obligation in the NT as it was in the OT. NOW we are free to show God by our own 'free will and choice if we are WITH HIM or AGAINST HIM !!!
that is how God will judge your heart...based on your own free will....no longer by command !!!
Do you think that choosing another holy day apart from HIS OWN WILL is showing love to God ? nay...it is showing CONTEMPT for HIS CHOICE !!!

 

[graceNpeace]

So you must not believe God ?...

Oh, I believe God just fine....
YOUR INTERPRETATION of things - NO!

 

[mailmandan]

All you ever do is deny/reject the 7th day Sabbath with never any scripture to support your accusations....because there are none !

All you ever do is turn keeping the 7th day Sabbath under the Old Covenant for Israel (Exodus 24:1-3; 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Jeremiah 17:21; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19) into a legalistic prescription for the Church under the New Covenant and condemn those who do not keep the 7th day Sabbath without any scriptural support for your perverted Sabbath gospel!

Yashua as our Example lived and kept the Sabbath day, He did not need to keep commanding it....anyone who has HIS Spirit will himself keep it !!!

Of course He did because He was born under the law (Galatians 4:4). Believers are not under the OT law. Anyone who has HIS Spirit will not judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Heb 7v12 For the Priesthood being changed there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
This refers to the change 'from the letter TO the Spirit ! it does NOT allow us to change times and days ! THAT is what christians have done through and by the church of Rome and is leading many to be deceived ! changing GOD's Day is a serious SIN that will keep you out of HIS Kingdom !

Sounds like SDA propaganda.

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast

 

[graceNpeace]

Indeed no obligation in the NT as it was in the OT. NOW we are free to show God by our own 'free will and choice if we are WITH HIM or AGAINST HIM !!!
that is how God will judge your heart...based on your own free will....no longer by command !!!
Do you think that choosing another holy day apart from HIS OWN WILL is showing love to God ? nay...it is showing CONTEMPT for HIS CHOICE !!!

Hardly...
I worship God in spirit and in truth, any, and, every, day of the week - no exceptions!