Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

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John 5:17-18

But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
you seem more concerned with what the JEWS say and do than what Jesus and the Father say and do !
 

Blain

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Technically if people want to keep the sabbath it's both saturday and sunday. For the Hebrews the next day begins at sunset so to us it's only sunset on saturday for them it's officially sunday. But we who are in Christ are under a new covenant and a new order we honor sabbath in our hearts and by resting in him everyday. Spending time with him naturally helps us feel more at peace even on a horribly stressful day, I mean I can have the worst day where everything that could have gone wrong went wrong but if I can spend at least five or ten minutes with him alone that entire day was worth it. This is because there is serenity in resting in him and by spending that treasured personal time with him he eases our daily pain and stress and gives us peace.
 

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What is legalism? No one that I know BELIEVES that we are saved by anythng that we do. WE are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH and NOT OF OURSELVES it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS lest any man should boast.

However if your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (James 2:18-20; 26; Romans 6:23). If your tree has NO FRUIT then it is cast down and thrown into the FIRE (Matthew 7:12-23; Hebrews 10:26-27).

Many do not know why God has given us GRACE and FAITH. Let's see what God says.........

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.


Romans 6
1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31,
Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.


WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
26,
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Now make NO mistake here these are God's WORDS not mine. I am no one. If you feel God speaking to you HARDEN NOT your heart. GOD is blessing you with HIS SPIRIT calling you because he wants to have a closer walk with you.

God is a spirit and those who WORSHIP him must worship him in SPIRIT and in TRUTH.


Sola Scriptura (On God's Word alone). Let's be honest here, who are you really following? God's WORD or the Catholic tradition? God knows many do it out of ignirance and in these times of ignorance God winks at but is now calling all men EVERYWHERE to REPENT.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

LGF wants everyone to believe that he, and by extension the SDA Church believes in salvation by grace through faith, but that is quite false.
The SDA Church STRONGLY believes in works salvation!
One has to follow the teachings and practice of the SDA Church including keeping the Sabbath.
They do not teach assurance of salvation.
The ridiculous doctrine of investigative judgment apparently means that Jesus judges according to their obedience to these various doctrines.

This doctrine of investigative judgement is a foundational doctrine of the SDA belief system tied to the establishing of the SDA Church in 1844. This doctrine was an invention of Ellen G. White that came about when the pastor of a Baptist church by the name of William Miller predicted the return of Jesus Christ for October 22, 1844. A group of believers called Millerites sold their homes and possessions and resigned their jobs in anticipation of this event. It did not happen!
Most of the Millerites realised the folly of their position and returned back to Baptist congregations.

However, many stung by pride decided that while Miller might have been wrong in some respects he was not in others. Led by Hiram Edson they decided that the interpretation of Daniel 8:14 meant only that Jesus Christ's entrance into the Most Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary rather than his Second Coming.
Over several decades, led primarily by Ellen G. White and her writings this incredible comedy of errors morphed into the doctrine of the investigative judgement.

I get that most people have not investigated the SDA Church to this extent - but be sure of this:
* The SDA Church DOES NOT believe in salvation by grace through faith!
*They strongly believe in works salvation - just read posts from LGF nailing down the absolute requirement to follow the law and keep the Sabbath as defined by the SDA!
*The doctrine of investigative judgement where Jesus Christ apparently judges us for our obedience to the law and Sabbath-keeping is a direct consequence of the debacle of a failed prophesy in 1844. According to this doctrine it was in 1844 that Jesus Christ entered into
the Most Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary to begin his work of second judgement.
*Even more telling is the fact that William Miller himself recognised his errors and returned to orthodox Christianity.

And now we have LGF, in all his glory, telling us all about our failures and doctrinal insufficiencies!
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!

LGF talks of salvation by grace through faith yet his footnotes expose the lies.........
 

posthuman

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No I did not miss the point. I am full aware that Christ Himself is our Rest, just as He Himself is our Peace. But the OP clearly said that we should literally observe the sabbath every day. Which would mean a perpetual holiday with dire consequences. And as already indicated in the Ten Commandments, the 7th day of the week was given as the sabbath.

What Sabbatarians generally forget is that the Sabbath was a sign between God and Israel (Exodus 31:12-18). What Sabbatarians wish to suppress and ignore is that ever since the resurrection of Christ, the first day of the week has been named as "the Lord's Day" and is therefore the Christian sabbath -- a day for rest and worship.
Another thing often neglected is that God clearly and expressly stated the purpose He had in giving Israel sabbaths to observe: so that they would know it is the LORD - not themselves - who sanctifies them.

This is some truth we must pick up and carry every day!
 

posthuman

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No I did not miss the point. I am full aware that Christ Himself is our Rest, just as He Himself is our Peace. But the OP clearly said that we should literally observe the sabbath every day. Which would mean a perpetual holiday with dire consequences. And as already indicated in the Ten Commandments, the 7th day of the week was given as the sabbath.

What Sabbatarians generally forget is that the Sabbath was a sign between God and Israel (Exodus 31:12-18). What Sabbatarians wish to suppress and ignore is that ever since the resurrection of Christ, the first day of the week has been named as "the Lord's Day" and is therefore the Christian sabbath -- a day for rest and worship.
I really don't like the term 'Christian sabbath'

What believers tend to do on the 8th day isn't 'sabbath observation' any more than giving money to a common congregational fund is 'tithing'

The day is not changed. The veil is removed and the law of the Sinai covenant does not bind us, but that is not the same as moving the weekly sabbath to another day.

I understand what's generally meant by the phrase, but I do not think it is the correct way to state what's meant to be expressed, and it does lead to misinterpretation
 

graceNpeace

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I really don't like the term 'Christian sabbath'

What believers tend to do on the 8th day isn't 'sabbath observation' any more than giving money to a common congregational fund is 'tithing'

The day is not changed. The veil is removed and the law of the Sinai covenant does not bind us, but that is not the same as moving the weekly sabbath to another day.

I understand what's generally meant by the phrase, but I do not think it is the correct way to state what's meant to be expressed, and it does lead to misinterpretation
Yes, particularly with a legalist like LGF on the prowl!
 

posthuman

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you seem more concerned with what the JEWS say and do than what Jesus and the Father say and do !
You seem pretty concerned with falsely accusing me...?
 

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The New Testament Sabbath rest is spiritual not physical. It is called “The peace that surpasses understanding”, and yes, every hour, every minute, every second of everyday find peace and rest in knowing that we are going to heaven, and that ‘this too shall pass.’
 
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I think you miss the point - Jesus Christ Himself is our Sabbath rest!
I am pretty sure Ariel is not advocating sitting on our backsides doing nothing every day of the week!
Now here is another funny one and mystery. Where in God's Word does it say that Jesus is a Sabbath?

Sola Scriptura, Jesus is not a Sabbath. There is no scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath. How can the Sabbath be Jesus when God's Word says the Sabbath is the 7th DAY of the WEEK that Jesus created?

Genesis 2
1,
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And
ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And
GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

RESTEDH7673שָׁבַת shabath (shaw-ɓath') v.to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.
{used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific)}[a primitive root]KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep Sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

Some points to note from the scriptures...............

v1 God completed creation in 6 days and RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v2 God RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v3 God SET APART the 7TH DAY and made THE 7TH DAY a HOLY DAY
v2 The 7TH DAY is part of the FINISHED WORK of the CREATION WEEK

CONCLUSION: Gods SABBATH was made in the CREATION WEEK on the 7th DAY of CREATION. It is part of a FINISHED WORK in creation. The 7th DAY God set apart as a HOLY day because he RESTED from the WORK of CREATION

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Let's now look at God's 4th commandment............

Exodus 20
8,
Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the
SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11,
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested theSEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Some points to note from the scriptures...............

v8 God tells us to REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY to keep it HOLY
v10
God tells us the 7th DAY of the WEEK is his SABBATH DAY
v8;10
God tells us the 7th DAY is to be kept as a HOLY day and NO secular WORK is to be done on this day
v11 God tells us the reason is because it is a memorial of CREATION and the CREATOR and God blessed the 7th DAY and made it a HOLY DAY.


CONCLUSION: Gods SABBATH was made in the CREATION WEEK on the 7th DAY of CREATION. It is part of a FINISHED WORK in creation. The 7th DAY God set apart as a HOLY day because he RESTED from the WORK of CREATION. God commnads us in the 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments to REMEMBER the 7th DAY of the WEEK it is a HOLY DAY that NO secular WORK is to be conducted.

And so the mystery continues to find Sola Scriptura. How can Jesus be a Sabbath when he is the creator of the Sabbath and God says the Sabbath is the 7th DAY of the week?

The mystery continues... who BELIEVES God's WORD?

Sola Scriptura (On God's Word alone). Let's be honest here, who do you really follow? God's WORD or your Catholic tradition?

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).


 
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LGF wants everyone to believe that he, and by extension the SDA Church believes in salvation by grace through faith, but that is quite false.
The SDA Church STRONGLY believes in works salvation!
One has to follow the teachings and practice of the SDA Church including keeping the Sabbath.
They do not teach assurance of salvation.
The ridiculous doctrine of investigative judgment apparently means that Jesus judges according to their obedience to these various doctrines.

This doctrine of investigative judgement is a foundational doctrine of the SDA belief system tied to the establishing of the SDA Church in 1844. This doctrine was an invention of Ellen G. White that came about when the pastor of a Baptist church by the name of William Miller predicted the return of Jesus Christ for October 22, 1844. A group of believers called Millerites sold their homes and possessions and resigned their jobs in anticipation of this event. It did not happen!
Most of the Millerites realised the folly of their position and returned back to Baptist congregations.

However, many stung by pride decided that while Miller might have been wrong in some respects he was not in others. Led by Hiram Edson they decided that the interpretation of Daniel 8:14 meant only that Jesus Christ's entrance into the Most Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary rather than his Second Coming.
Over several decades, led primarily by Ellen G. White and her writings this incredible comedy of errors morphed into the doctrine of the investigative judgement.

I get that most people have not investigated the SDA Church to this extent - but be sure of this:
* The SDA Church DOES NOT believe in salvation by grace through faith!
*They strongly believe in works salvation - just read posts from LGF nailing down the absolute requirement to follow the law and keep the Sabbath as defined by the SDA!
*The doctrine of investigative judgement where Jesus Christ apparently judges us for our obedience to the law and Sabbath-keeping is a direct consequence of the debacle of a failed prophesy in 1844. According to this doctrine it was in 1844 that Jesus Christ entered into
the Most Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary to begin his work of second judgement.
*Even more telling is the fact that William Miller himself recognised his errors and returned to orthodox Christianity.

And now we have LGF, in all his glory, telling us all about our failures and doctrinal insufficiencies!
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!

LGF talks of salvation by grace through faith yet his footnotes expose the lies.........
Now GNP,

No my friend I share God's WORD. You share your own words because you do not have God's Word to help you so your words are all you have. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Sola Scriptura... the mystery continues and where have you gone. It use to be the love or Protestantism now it has disappeared hidden away by the Mother of harlots and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

Did you want to share scriptures on the INVESTIGATIVE JUDGEMENT? (Sola Scriptura?). Indeed all will come to judgement there is nothing hidden that shall now be revealed come judgement day.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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What Sabbatarians generally forget is that the Sabbath was a sign between God and Israel (Exodus 31:12-18). What Sabbatarians wish to suppress and ignore is that ever since the resurrection of Christ, the first day of the week has been named as "the Lord's Day" and is therefore the Christian sabbath -- a day for rest and worship.
Yet who is God's Israel in the NEW COVENANT? (Sola Scriptura)

WHO ARE GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT?

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

Colossians 3:11,
WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK
circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

Hebrews 8:10-12,

BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Gentiles are now grafted into God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:13-24)


If you are NOT a part of God's ISRAEL then you are NOT a part of the NEW COVANANT PROMISE (Heb 8:10-12)

Sola Scriptura where are you? The Mystery continues....

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WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?


Matthew 12
8,
FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD OF THE SABBATH DAY.

THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS JESUS IS A SABBATH OR THE LORD'S DAY IS SUNDAY?

????????????? there is none.

Sorry all. Let's be honest here.

Are we really following God (Sola Scriptura) or following the Catholic Church?


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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

graceNpeace

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Now GNP,

No my friend I share God's WORD. You share your own words because you do not have God's Word to help you so your words are all you have. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Sola Scriptura... the mystery continues and where have you gone. It use to be the love or Protestantism now it has disappeared hidden away by the Mother of harlots and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

Did you want to share scriptures on the INVESTIGATIVE JUDGEMENT? (Sola Scriptura?). Indeed all will come to judgement there is nothing hidden that shall now be revealed come judgement day.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Big fat raspberry to that one....
Jesus entered into the Most Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary to start His second judgement in 1844!!!???!!
(Falls to ground laughing...)
 
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Big fat raspberry to that one....
Jesus entered into the Most Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary to start His second judgement in 1844!!!???!!
(Falls to ground laughing...)
Now GNP where are your scriptures? Are you speaking your own words again over God's WORD? Now where is Sola Scriptura?

Ok you want to talk investigative judgement. Let's share scripture....

PART 1/2

INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT

Who will be judged?


Psa 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

Eccl 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Acts 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick [living] and dead.
2 Tim 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick [living] and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Answer: Everyone, both the righteous and wicked, the living and dead, will be judged.


What will be the standard of Judgment?


1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Eccl 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Eccl 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Answer: The 10 commandments of God are the standard of judgment.


Who is judged first, the righteous or the wicked?


1 Pet 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

1 Tim 5:24 Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
1 Tim 5:25 Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.


Answer: The righteous believers are judged first and rewarded, and then later the wicked are sentenced and condemned.


Who is the presiding Judge?


The courtroom scene in Daniel:


Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down [set in place], and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: ...


A similar scene in Revelation:


Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit; and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Rev 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

Answer: The Ancient of Days (God the Father). Jesus is the Lamb who takes the book from the hand of Father on the throne.


Who is our Advocate (Defense Attorney) in the Judgment of the professed Saints?


Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God [the Father] for us:

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


Answer: Jesus Christ is our Defense Attorney before God the Father.


Who is the Accuser (Prosecuting Attorney) of the professed Saints?


Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.


Answer: Satan is the Accuser (Prosecuting Attorney).


How will evidence be given in the Judgment of the professed Saints?


Dan 7:10 ... the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Mal 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
Mal 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

Exo 32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Answer: The record books of heaven on the professed saints will be opened in evidence before the court: the Lamb's book of life, and the book of remembrance of their deeds in service to the Lord, faithfully recorded by witnessing angels. The book with 7 seals in Revelation chapters 5 thru 8 is the Lamb's book of life (Phil. 4:3, Rev. 3:5, 13:8, 17:8, 20:12,15, 21:27, 22:19). It is the last will and testament of Jesus Christ (Heb. 9:14-17), the new covenant, that lists those who will inherit eternal life and the kingdom of God. When the reading of the Lamb's book of life ends, probation for humanity has come to a close, as all those who inherit have been identified.

God does not need to keep books for Himself, but rather they are kept for others who do not have His omniscience. These books are available to the heavenly hosts in the court for their investigation, that they may know that God is just.

What events follow the beginning of the Investigative Judgment of the professed Saints?


Dan 7:10 ... the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

2 Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Answer: In Daniel 7 the destruction of the little horn power comes after the opening of the books for the judgment of the Saints. So the books are opened for investigation, and judgment begins before the Second Advent, which is when the little horn / antichrist will be consumed. This judgment then is rightly called a Pre-advent Investigative Judgment. The kingdom parable of the wedding of the King's Son in Matt 22:1-13 illustrates this clearly when the King examines the wedding guests for the garment that He provided. Those not wearing the wedding garment are not permitted to attend the wedding supper, and are cast into outer darkness instead. This parable refers to the wedding supper of the Lamb, and the garment is Christ's righteousness, which is provided to those with faith. This examination, or judgment for fitness to attend the wedding supper, precedes the second coming, which is when the goats will be separated from the sheep.


Is there a specific day set for the revelation of God's judgment?


Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Answer: A day has indeed been appointed for the judgment of God to be revealed.


When is that day of judgment, when the Saints of God are judged righteous and rewarded by inheriting the Kingdom of God forever?


Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

2 Tim 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick [living] and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

(This warning that the hour of judgment is come; precedes the second coming, and warns those living that their judgment is underway, but will soon come to a close.)

Answer: The Saints will have been judged righteous before the second coming of Jesus (Mat 25:31), which is when the righteous (sheep) and the wicked (goats) will be forever separated, and God's judgment revealed, and His true Saints rewarded with eternal life.


What is the fate of the living wicked at the second coming of Jesus Christ?


Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse (Jesus), which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Answer: At the second coming of Jesus the living wicked will all be slain.


Will anyone's fate be changed after the Pre-advent Investigative Judgment of the Saints and the second coming of Jesus Christ?


Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


Answer: Everyone's fate will have been decided by the court of heaven before the second coming of Jesus, and nothing will change the verdict after the Pre-advent Investigative Judgment of the Saints has concluded (the close of probation). While only the books regarding the Saints of God have been examined in the Pre-advent Investigative Judgment, the wicked stand condemned by not having sought the defense of the righteousness of Jesus Christ, so their sins are not covered by Christ's righteousness, and they must bear responsibility for their own sins.


What is the reward of the faithful and righteous Saints of God?


Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Answer: The Saints of God will be rewarded with access to the tree of life, and by eating the fruit thereof, they will live forever. (The wicked, who will never be given access to the tree of life, will be denied eternal life, so they must perish.)


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INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT CONTINUED...

Who will judge the wicked?

Psa 149:5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
Psa 149:6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand;
Psa 149:7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;
Psa 149:8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
Psa 149:9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
1 Cor 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1 Cor 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?


Answer: The judgment of the wicked will be given to the Saints of God for their examination and ratification.


When will the judgment of the wicked by the Saints occur?


John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


Answer: During the millennium the Saints will judge the wicked. The righteous dead will be resurrected at the beginning of the thousand years to participate in this judgment of the wicked, but the wicked will not be resurrected until after the millennium and the examination of the evidence against the wicked has been completed.


How will the evidence against the wicked be presented?


Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Psa 69:27 Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.
Psa 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Jer 2:22 For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD.
Jer 17:13 O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.

Answer: The Saints during the millennium will have access to the heavenly books on the wicked and know why they are all lost. The wicked will not be found in the Lamb's book of life, but their wicked works will appear in the Book of Iniquity. At the conclusion of the millennium, the judgment of God the Father will be shown to have been fair and just, and so it will be affirmed by the Saints. All that will remain to be done is to execute (carry out) the judgment (sentence) of the court upon the wicked. This is the Executive judgment.


What happens at the conclusion of the Investigative Judgment of the wicked by the Saints?


Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.


Answer: At the end of the 1000 years, the wicked will all be resurrected, and will be persuaded by Satan to attack the New Jerusalem (camp of the saints), to take it by force, so that they might gain access to the tree of life and thereby live forever. Instead, they will face Executive Judgment before the great white throne of Jesus Christ.


Who will execute judgment on the wicked?


Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.


Answer: Jesus Christ will execute the judgment of the heavenly court upon the wicked.


What is the penalty imposed on the wicked?


Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Answer: The penalty imposed on the wicked is eternal death.


What happens after the wicked are cast into the lake of fire and destroyed?


Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. (Source here)


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So GNP where is your scripture? (Sola Scriptura please)

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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.... we honor sabbath in our hearts and by resting in him everyday. Spending time with him naturally helps us feel more at peace even on a horribly stressful day, I mean I can have the worst day where everything that could have gone wrong went wrong but if I can spend at least five or ten minutes with him alone that entire day was worth it. This is because there is serenity in resting in him and by spending that treasured personal time with him he eases our daily pain and stress and gives us peace.
Where does it say in God's WORD that we keep God's Sabbath by resting in Jesus everyday? Sola Scriptura the mystery continues to find you. Is this God's Word of the Catholic tradition that has led many to break God's Commandments?
 

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Romans 14:1-12

1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Seems on point...
 
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WHAT IS SOLA SCRIPTURA AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BELIEVE IN JESUS?

Matthew 4
4,
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.

John 17
17,
Sanctify them through thy truth: THY WORD IS TRUTH.

Psalms 119
11, YOUR WORD
have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

2 Peter 1
4,
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

John 8
31,
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32, And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33,
They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, Ye shall be made free?
34, Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
35,
And the servant abides not in the house for ever: but the Son abides ever.
36, If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

John 1

1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2, The same was in the beginning with God.
3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5, And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6, There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7, The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8, He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9, That was the true Light, which lights every man that cometh into the world.
10, He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11, He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12, But as many as received him,
<the WORD> to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name <the WORD is Savior Matt 1:21>:
13, Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14, AND THE WORD BECOME FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever.

John 14
6, Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH
<the WORD is truth; John 17:17>, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 1
21,
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS<the WORD> : for he shall save his people from their sins <the WORD is Saviour>.

John 3
16,
For God so LOVED the world that he gave his only begotten son that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES on HIM SHOULD HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE

Let's put it all together...........

We are to LIVE by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD (Matthew 4:4); IF we CONTINUE IN HIS WORD THEN ARE WE HIS DISCIPLES and we shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set us FREE from SIN (John 8:31-32; 34;36).

We are made HOLY BY THE WORD and ONLY God's Word is TRUTH (Psalms 119:172); We are BORN AGAIN by FAITH in the WORD

What is all this leading to, can you guess...............................

JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD the power of creation(John 1:1-14; Genesis chapters 1-2).
EVERLASTING LIFE IS GIVEN TO THOSE THAT BELIEVE EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.

THE NAME of JESUS means SAVIOR (Matthew 1:21). We are BORN AGAIN as we BELIEVE GOD"S WORD. JESUS meaning Saviour means that THE WORD OF GOD IS JESUS AND THE WORD OF GOD ARE ONE AND THE WORD IF GOD IS OUR SAVIOR AS WE BELIEVE IT! FAITH IS THE VICTORY!

To BELIEVE on the LORD JESUS MEANS TO LIVE BY FAITH IN EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD!

IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD YOU DO NOT BELIEVE in JESUS because HE IS THE WORD OF GOD! JESUS IS THE WORD AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TO BELIEVE.

Continuing..........

John 3
16, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son <the WORD>, that whosoever believes in him <the WORD> should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17, For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him <the WORD> might be saved.
18, He that believes on him <the WORD> is not condemned: but he that believe not <the WORD> is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name <the WORD IS SAVIOR> of the only begotten Son of God.
19, And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20, For every one that does evil hate the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21, But he that doe truth <the WORD> cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

If you reject God's WORD you reject the Gift of God's dear SON. SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

Which ever way my friend you want to say it you either BELIEVE and FOLLOW ALL of God's Word or you are still in your SINS.

Doesnt look good for some come judgement day. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE EVERY WORD.

Those who do not are UNBELIEVERS and UNBELIEVERS have no part in God's KINGDOM.


ANSWER: JESUS IS SOLA SCRIPTURA. If you REJECT God's WORD then you are in UNBELIEVER and REJECT JESUS who is the LIVING WORD of God.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN not BELIEVING God's WORD will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

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Where does it say in God's WORD that we keep God's Sabbath by resting in Jesus everyday? Sola Scriptura the mystery continues to find you. Is this God's Word of the Catholic tradition that has led many to break God's Commandments?
Jer 31: 33"But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel afterthose days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Heb 8:
6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.7For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8But God found fault with the people and said[SUP]b[/SUP] :

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel

and with the people of Judah. 10This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds, and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.
 
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Romans 14:1-12

1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
The search for the Mystery of Sola Scriptura continues......

Where does it say in Romans 14 in fact all of ROMANS that it is talking about God's 4th Commandment?

Where is the Sabbath mentioned in Romans?

Where does it say God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now Commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

The search for Sola Scriptura continues.....

Romans 14 is talking about food connected to holy days and fasting it does not even mention God's 4th Commandment.

Romans 14
1,
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.The first thing we see here is that this chapter is about relating to a weak brother.
2, For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3, Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4, Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Now to the meat and potatoes…

5, One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6, He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Why is eating and fasting (not eating) connected to days here? Let’s see…...............

(6), He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

links to .....

Isaiah 58
5, Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul?
is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?

links to.....

Luke 18
11,
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12, I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

From Bullingers Companion Bible…........

Luke 18:12
Twice in the week. The law prescribed only one in the year (Lev_16:29. Num_29:7). By the time of Zec_8:19 there were four yearly fasts. In our Lord's day they were bi-weekly (Monday and Thursday), between Passover and Pentecost; and between the Feast of Tabernacles and the Dedication.

Yes they fasted sometimes two days a week and also annually in the feasts of Lev 23.

7, For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8, For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9, For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10, But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11, For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12, So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
13, Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14, I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean <ceremonially profaned, defiled or unholy> of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean<ceremonially profaned, defiled or unholy>, to him it is unclean.
15
, But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

(14) At the time meat and drink were offered to pagan idols. After it was offered it was sold in a meat market called the ‘Shambles’.

1Cor 10
25,
Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

Shambles ; μάκελλον; makellon; mak'-el-lon Of Latin origin [macellum ]; a butcher's stall, meat market or provision shop: - shambles.

There were those who were weak in the faith (verse 1) who were offended by the thought of food being offered to idols. They somehow thought that eating that food was somehow connecting them with the idolatrous practices around them.

Some points to consider in Romans 14:1-15............

1. The chapter is talking about a number of related topics
2. Overall it is talking about not juding those who are weak in the faith in relation to food connected to days or days dedicated to the Lord and that is all it is talking about.
3. Food connected to days in usually in relation to the annual festivals or fasting connected to weekly or Holy days unto the Lord (Lev 16:29. Num 29:7; Issaiah 58:5; Luke 18:11-12).
4. There is no mention of the Sabbath or God's 4th commandment in this chapter or the entire book of Romans.
5. Romans 14 is not talking about ABOLISHING ANY DAYS but only talking about judging others in relation to food or fasting connected to days dedicated to the LORD and food offered to idols.
6. The Chapter is consistant with all the other writing of Paul in relation to the jewish annual holy days fulfilled in Christ (eg, Colossains 2; Ephesians 2; Galatains 4:10; Hebrews 9:9-15; 10:1-17).
7. Paul's topics is summarised in v17; For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

It is very clear from reading the scriptures that this whole Chapter has nothing whatsoever at all to do with the 4th commandment which is to keep Holy the 7th day Sabbath but is talking about judging others in relation to food connected to holy days and idolatry.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Jer 31:33"But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel afterthose days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Heb 8:
6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.7For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8But God found fault with the people and said[SUP]b[/SUP] :

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel

and with the people of Judah. 10This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds, and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.
Indeed this is the NEW Covanant promise which is made to GOD's ISRAEL who are those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD.

Matthew 5
17,
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18, For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19, Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20, For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

27, You have heard that it was said by them of old time, You shall not commit adultery:
28, But I say unto you, That whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN not BELIEVING God's WORD will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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