God's sovereignity and man's "freedom"...

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MarcR said:
Sorry I misread my notes. You are indeed correct. One of the Hazzards of doing research when you wake up in the middle of the night. I can't at the moment figure out who I was actually talking about; but I will post a correction when I figure it out.
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Not a problem. (and I wake up in the middle of the night a lot!) I look forward to your update sir!
 
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To the KJVO's...you have your own thread. Don't come to this one and derail it. Thanks bunches.
 
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John146 said:
What's amazing is the KJV spurred on the greatest revival the world has ever seen. That's called fruit. The new versions have led to the Laodicean Age. That's called corrupt fruit.
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What's really amazing is you, in your "KJB" idolatry, attribute a revival to a Bible version rather than to God almighty. Your disregard for other versions is tragic and your loss.
 
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trofimus said:
How could such outstanding scholars believe in a "damnable" doctrine?

I still do not get it.

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Lets summarize the history:

Roman catholic priest devoted his Greek compilation to pope. Calvinists took it and translated it to English. You live by this book and think it cannot be done better.
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Being a Calvinist is not a damnable doctrine. It's just a false doctrine that has no validity of Scripture.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
I wouldn't mention Charles Finney as the cause of a revival. He introduced much of the heresies we have on this board today through his 'preachings'. :( :rolleyes:
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From a TULIP perspective I understand your point of view. As neither an Arminean nor a Calvinist I don't agree; but, we don't need to derail the thread over that discussion.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
To the KJVO's...you have your own thread. Don't come to this one and derail it. Thanks bunches.
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KJVO'ers will go down in history as a false sect. That will be its 15 minutes of fame in the entire scheme of things. (My apologies my brother for responding to KJVO nonsense. It seems it is everywhere here, and threads tend to blend together lately!) :D
 
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SovereignGrace said:
To the KJVO's...you have your own thread. Don't come to this one and derail it. Thanks bunches.
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Actually if you go back to post 98 you will see Angela attacking the KJV and bringing up the subject. I should have just let it go. I will not bring it back up on this thread.
 
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Actually, the derailment started on post # 3...
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Could you define "God's sovereignty" since it's not found in the Bible?
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John146 erroneously stated that "God's sovereignty" is not found in the bible. What's the error is he has conflated the KJV to being the 'bible', the others corrupt. Utter foolishness.

Now, let's stay on topic. I posted these last two posts to show who the culprit is in derailing this thread. It was not Angela, but John146.
 
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preacher4truth said:
Not a problem. (and I wake up in the middle of the night a lot!) I look forward to your update sir!
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The person I should have mentioned instead of Increase Mather was Henry Dunster as first president of Harvard who arrived on the Mayflower in 1635.

The 1620 revival was in New Holland and was led by a preacher named Peter Koheg (Spelling unclear in document) in what is now Delaware and sothern New Jersey.

My notes had fallen and were not reassembled correctly.

There was of course no 1620 New England Revival because there was no 1620 New England.
 
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That does not sound like the God of Scripture.
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It does not sound like the God of scripture because it is not the God of scripture. Man and God both can't be sovereign, so they usurp Him.
 
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MarcR said:
The person I should have mentioned instead of Increase Mather was Henry Dunster as first president of Harvard who arrived on the Mayflower in 1635.

The 1620 revival was in New Holland and was led by a preacher named Peter Koheg (Spelling unclear in document) in what is now Delaware and sothern New Jersey.

My notes had fallen and were not reassembled correctly.
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I know there's not a whole we agree on in soteriology, but I truly love the way you handle yourself, especially on this thread. I mean this...I love you my Brother.
 
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MarcR said:
The person I should have mentioned instead of Increase Mather was Henry Dunster as first president of Harvard who arrived on the Mayflower in 1635.

The 1620 revival was in New Holland and was led by a preacher named Peter Koheg (Spelling unclear in document) in what is now Delaware and sothern New Jersey.

My notes had fallen and were not reassembled correctly.
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Thanks and no worries. Although we differ in soteriological understanding I highly respect you sir.
 
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as if no one can go back and read? are you a nark? do we need one?

when he responds will you be fair and converse or blame him for further derail?
SovereignGrace said:
John146 erroneously stated that "God's sovereignty" is not found in the bible. What's the error is he has conflated the KJV to being the 'bible', the others corrupt. Utter foolishness.

Now, let's stay on topic. I posted these last two posts to show who the culprit is in derailing this thread. It was not Angela, but John146.
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SovereignGrace said:
John146 erroneously stated that "God's sovereignty" is not found in the bible. What's the error is he has conflated the KJV to being the 'bible', the others corrupt. Utter foolishness.

Now, let's stay on topic. I posted these last two posts to show who the culprit is in derailing this thread. It was not Angela, but John146.
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He shows a profound inability to deduce and think critically. Not saying this in derogation, but in observation. He is missing so much.
 
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Zi said:
as if no one can go back and read? are you a nark? do we need one?

when he responds will you be fair and converse or blame him for further derail?
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He falsely accused Angela of the derailment, when he started it on post # 3 page 1. Plus, he's on ignore. But every once in a while I will take a glimpse, knowing he's addressing a post of mine.

Got anything of worth to add to the thread, or just a drive by post and then buh bye?
 
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SovereignGrace said:
He falsely accused Angela of the derailment, when he started it on post # 3 page 1. Plus, he's on ignore. But every once in a while I will take a glimpse, knowing he's addressing a post of mine.



Got anything of worth to add to the thread, or just a drive by post and then buh bye?
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Just the typical drive by, that's her nature.
 
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joaniemarie said:
A good question is what does God's sovereignty have to do with how we view Him and us? Does it mean God never changes His mind? Does it mean we can be on a course of destruction (and rightly so) but when we pray in the name of Jesus., God changes our course?.... but if we didn't pray., our course might not have been changed? Yes. Prayer changes things.

God's sovereignty is a fact but how it plays out in our lives is a mystery. What is not a mystery is we need to have a close relationship with Jesus every day that includes talking to Him and Him talking to us through the Holy Spirit and by reading the Bible and "allowing" the Holy Spirit to lead us if we want God's will done in our lives. If we don't do those things., God's will is not going to be done in our lives.

For myself., I don't worry about the major mysteries anymore but I do want to be in His will and how to be in His will is not a mystery.
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Do you for one second think God changes His mind? For someone to change their mind, it means that they learned something that caused them to change it. If God changes His mind, then He is not omniscient. But who cares about God's attributes? Many on here sure don't.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
Do you for one second think God changes His mind? For someone to change their mind, it means that they learned something that caused them to change it. If God changes His mind, then He is not omniscient. But who cares about God's attributes? Many on here sure don't.
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Answer the question without insults. Did God change His mind concerning Nineveh? Please explain.

4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. 5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

and yet...

10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
 
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