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an increasingly popular claim today is the notion that jesus did not actually die on a friday...most commonly it is suggested that jesus died on a wednesday...others have suggested that jesus died on a thursday or even a tuesday...a few people have even argued that jesus did not rise from the dead on a sunday!

however this view is mistaken...as i will show in this thread...jesus -did- die on a friday and he -did- rise on a sunday and there is absolutely no alternative that does not contradict scripture...


to begin with...much of the confusion comes from misconceptions about the timing and duration of the passover or feast of unleavened bread... many are under the mistaken impression that passover and the feast of unleavened bread are two separate festivals...with the feast of unleavened bread beginning twenty-four hours after the passover seder...

but scripture indicates that this idea is incorrect...and shows that the terms 'passover' and 'feast of unleavened bread' are actually interchangeable names for the same seven day feast...

ezekiel 45:21..."In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, you shall have the Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten."
luke 22:1..."Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, was approaching."

furthermore scripture shows that the passover seder marked the first day of the feast unleavened bread...

matthew 26:17..."Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, 'Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?'"
mark 14:12..."On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was being sacrificed, His disciples *said to Him, 'Where do You want us to go and prepare for You to eat the Passover?'"
luke 22:7..."Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed."

so the passover seder corresponded with the first day of the feast of unleavened bread...the feast of unleaved bread did -not- begin a day later as many people have assumed...

the feast of unleavened bread began on a fixed date in the hebrew calendar each year...specifically the fifteenth day of the month of abib...

leviticus 23:6..."Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread."
numbers 28:17..."On the fifteenth day of this month shall be a feast, unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days."

so the passover and feast of unleavened bread went as follows...

abib 15...first day of the feast of unleavened bread...beginning with passover seder...sacred assembly held...
abib 16...second day of the feast of unleavened bread...
abib 17...third day of the feast...
abib 18...fourth day...
abib 19...fifth day...
abib 20...sixth day...
abib 21...seventh day of the feast of unleavened bread...sacred assembly held...

someone will probably object that scripture states that the passover seder was held on the evening of the -fourteenth- day...implying that it was the fourteenth day when the seder was held...with the feast of unleavened bread not beginning until one day later on the fifteenth day...

but this notion is based on another misconception...it turns out that when scripture speaks of the evening of a certain day...it is actually indicating the -end- of that day and the -beginning- of the next day... this convention is clear from the scripture on the day of atonement...

leviticus 23:27-32..."On exactly the tenth day of this seventh month is the day of atonement; it shall be a holy convocation for you, and you shall humble your souls and present an offering by fire to the Lord. You shall not do any work on this same day, for it is a day of atonement, to make atonement on your behalf before the Lord your God. If there is any person who will not humble himself on this same day, he shall be cut off from his people. As for any person who does any work on this same day, that person I will destroy from among his people. You shall do no work at all. It is to be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwelling places. It is to be a sabbath of complete rest to you, and you shall humble your souls; on the ninth of the month at evening, from evening until evening you shall keep your sabbath."

it is clear from this scripture that the evening of the ninth day was regarded as the -ending- of the ninth day and the -beginning- of the tenth day which was the day of atonement...with the ninth day not actually being part of the day of atonement...

so applying scripture's own convention to passover and the feast of unleavened bread...it is equally clear that the evening of the passover seder was the -end- of the fourteenth day of the month and the -beginning- of the fifteenth day of the month...the fourteenth day itself was not part of the passover observance or the feast of unleavened bread...


having established that...we can say that anything that took place in the daylight hours immediately following the night of the seder happened on what scripture would call the fifteenth day...

that is significant because jesus was crucified in the daylight hours immediately following the night of the seder he held with his disciples...that means jesus was crucified on the fifteenth day of the month...


someone may try to argue that jesus' last supper was not actually the passover seder...but that is disproved by mark 14:12...which i quoted above...it clearly shows that the passover lambs were killed on the evening of the same day jesus' disciples obtained the use of the upper room for his last supper...so there is no doubt that the last supper was a passover seder...


having established that jesus was crucified on the fifteenth day of the month of abib...we now look to the fact that the day following jesus' crucifixion was a sabbath...

mark 15:42..."When evening had already come, because it was the preparation day, that is, the day before the Sabbath,"
john 19:31..."Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

the entire basis of all 'anti good friday' arguments is the notion that this sabbath could have been one of the days of assembly associated with the feast of unleavened bread...however we can now see that this is impossible...

given that jesus was crucified on the fifteenth day of abib...it is clear that the sabbath of the following day would have fallen on the sixteenth day of abib...however in the laws regarding the passover and feast of unleavened bread there is no provision for a sabbath on the sixteenth day of abib...but only on the fifteenth and twenty-first days of the month...

in fact it is apparent that the sabbatical assembly was actually held on the day of the crucifixion...which likely explains how the jews were so quickly assembled before pilate to observe the trial of jesus...they would have been assembling anyway...

this all means that this sabbath can -only- be the weekly saturday sabbath...and if the day after jesus' crucifixion was a saturday...then jesus was crucified on a friday...


having established that jesus was crucified on a friday...it is relatively easy to prove that jesus rose on a sunday...here are the relevant scriptures...

matthew 28:1..."Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave."
mark 16:2..."Very early on the first day of the week, they *came to the tomb when the sun had risen."
mark 16:9..."Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."
luke 24:1..."But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared."
john 20:1..."Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene *came early to the tomb, while it *was still dark, and *saw the stone already taken away from the tomb."

the unanimous testimony of all four gospel writers is pretty much non debateable...jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week...a sunday...


so in conclusion i have proven from scripture that jesus could not have been crucified on any other day but a friday...and that he rose from the dead on a sunday...scripture simply does not allow any alternative such as a wednesday crucifixion...

During the Passover Week how many Sabbaths are there? Take a guess, please. There are TWO during that week every single year. The seventh Day of Passover is called Passover Sabbath or the High Sabbath (the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread), which frequently is Friday, and was the year Jesus died, followed by the Weekly Sabbath which is always on Saturday. THE EXACT SAME RULES THAT APPLY TO THAT HIGH SABBATH, as does the Weekly Sabbath. Thus during that week NO DEAD BODY could remain on the cross on FRIDAY or SATURDAY. When did that High Sabbath begin? Sundown Thursday.

Eve of Passover on Shabbat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Two Sabbaths of Passover
 
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During the Passover Week how many Sabbaths are there? Take a guess, please. There are TWO during that week every single year. The seventh Day of Passover is called Passover Sabbath or the High Sabbath (the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread), which frequently is Friday, and was the year Jesus died, followed by the Weekly Sabbath which is always on Saturday. THE EXACT SAME RULES THAT APPLY TO THAT HIGH SABBATH, as does the Weekly Sabbath. Thus during that week NO DEAD BODY could remain on the cross on FRIDAY or SATURDAY. When did that High Sabbath begin? Sundown Thursday.

Eve of Passover on Shabbat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Two Sabbaths of Passover
sigh...another person who hasn't actually read the post they are responding to...all of this is dealt with in my first post in this thread...

certain people seem to assume that since there were sabbaths associated with the passover that they can then put those sabbaths on whatever date they want to make their 'anti good friday' scenario work...but that is not the case... the passover sabbaths were fixed with respect to the lunar calendar...they -always- happened on the fifteenth day and the twenty-first day of the month...that is the first and seventh days of the feast...

i already proved in my post that jesus died on the first day of the feast...the fifteenth of the month... the sabbath after jesus' death would be the sixteenth of the month...the second day of the feast... but there is no special feast sabbath on the second day of the feast or the sixteenth of the month...so this sabbath can -only- have been the weekly saturday sabbath...meaning the day jesus died was a friday...there is no other possibility...
 

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sigh...another person who hasn't actually read the post they are responding to...all of this is dealt with in my first post in this thread...

certain people seem to assume that since there were sabbaths associated with the passover that they can then put those sabbaths on whatever date they want to make their 'anti good friday' scenario work...but that is not the case... the passover sabbaths were fixed with respect to the lunar calendar...they -always- happened on the fifteenth day and the twenty-first day of the month...that is the first and seventh days of the feast...

i already proved in my post that jesus died on the first day of the feast...the fifteenth of the month... the sabbath after jesus' death would be the sixteenth of the month...the second day of the feast... but there is no special feast sabbath on the second day of the feast or the sixteenth of the month...so this sabbath can -only- have been the weekly saturday sabbath...meaning the day jesus died was a friday...there is no other possibility...

Messianic Jews will disagree with you, I think I trust their opinions a whole bunch more, than yours:

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http://www.torahresource.com/EnglishArticles/PassionChronology.pdf

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Thus, the Pesach lamb is to be slaughtered on the 14th day of the 1st month (called Nisan after the exile)
“at twilight,” a translation of םִ י ַּרבְֲעָה ין ֵּב, “between the evenings.” The Sages discussed the exact meaning of this
phrase, and came to the conclusion that this was the time after 3:00pm and before 6:00pm, the time of the day
when the sun has begun its descent to the horizon, but before it actually sets.


The next day, the 15th of the month, is the first day of Chag HaMatzot (Feast of Unleavened Bread), and is a
Sabbath, meaning that no ordinary work is to be done. But one should remember that from a biblical perspective,
the day begins in the evening. Thus, when the Pesach meal is being eaten, starting sometime after 3:00pm on the
14th, at sunset (6:00pm in ancient Israel) the 14th ends and the 15th begins. In this way the Pesach celebration and
Chag HaMatzot meld together into a single feast. Indeed, by the 1st Century the 14th is considered part of Chag
HaMatzot, and is so labelled in the Gospels. Luke even identifies the 14th by noting that it was the day on which
the Pesach lamb had to be slain, yet he calls this day the first day of Chag HaMatzot:

. . . [/quote]

The lamb is always slaughtered on the Day of Preparation (the day before), NOT on the High Sabbath. I have understood for a long time that the 15th of Nisan fell on Friday that year, but here is one site that claims if fell on Thursday. Either way there is no such thing as GOOD FRIDAY, as it does not square with fulfilling the Passover Lamb prophesy.

Two Sabbaths
 
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Messianic Jews will disagree with you, I think I trust their opinions a whole bunch more, than yours:

[qoute]
http://www.torahresource.com/EnglishArticles/PassionChronology.pdf

. . .
Thus, the Pesach lamb is to be slaughtered on the 14th day of the 1st month (called Nisan after the exile)
“at twilight,” a translation of םִ י ַּרבְֲעָה ין ֵּב, “between the evenings.” The Sages discussed the exact meaning of this
phrase, and came to the conclusion that this was the time after 3:00pm and before 6:00pm, the time of the day
when the sun has begun its descent to the horizon, but before it actually sets.


The next day, the 15th of the month, is the first day of Chag HaMatzot (Feast of Unleavened Bread), and is a
Sabbath, meaning that no ordinary work is to be done. But one should remember that from a biblical perspective,
the day begins in the evening. Thus, when the Pesach meal is being eaten, starting sometime after 3:00pm on the
14th, at sunset (6:00pm in ancient Israel) the 14th ends and the 15th begins. In this way the Pesach celebration and
Chag HaMatzot meld together into a single feast. Indeed, by the 1st Century the 14th is considered part of Chag
HaMatzot, and is so labelled in the Gospels. Luke even identifies the 14th by noting that it was the day on which
the Pesach lamb had to be slain, yet he calls this day the first day of Chag HaMatzot:

. . .
The lamb is always slaughtered on the Day of Preparation (the day before), NOT on the High Sabbath. I have understood for a long time that the 15th of Nisan fell on Friday that year, but here is one site that claims if fell on Thursday. Either way there is no such thing as GOOD FRIDAY, as it does not square with fulfilling the Passover Lamb prophesy.

Two Sabbaths[/QUOTE]

Your last comment doesn't make sense. If it happened on a Friday, then Good Friday does exist.
 
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Also, your claiming that for 2000 years, we've been wrong? By the way, also realize the New Moon Festival didn't always happen on the New Moon. This is one of the reasons why the Essenes broke away.
 
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Messianic Jews will disagree with you, I think I trust their opinions a whole bunch more, than yours:

http://www.torahresource.com/EnglishArticles/PassionChronology.pdf

. . .
Thus, the Pesach lamb is to be slaughtered on the 14th day of the 1st month (called Nisan after the exile)
“at twilight,” a translation of םִ י ַּרבְֲעָה ין ֵּב, “between the evenings.” The Sages discussed the exact meaning of this
phrase, and came to the conclusion that this was the time after 3:00pm and before 6:00pm, the time of the day
when the sun has begun its descent to the horizon, but before it actually sets.


The next day, the 15th of the month, is the first day of Chag HaMatzot (Feast of Unleavened Bread), and is a
Sabbath, meaning that no ordinary work is to be done. But one should remember that from a biblical perspective,
the day begins in the evening. Thus, when the Pesach meal is being eaten, starting sometime after 3:00pm on the
14th, at sunset (6:00pm in ancient Israel) the 14th ends and the 15th begins. In this way the Pesach celebration and
Chag HaMatzot meld together into a single feast. Indeed, by the 1st Century the 14th is considered part of Chag
HaMatzot, and is so labelled in the Gospels. Luke even identifies the 14th by noting that it was the day on which
the Pesach lamb had to be slain, yet he calls this day the first day of Chag HaMatzot:

. . .

The lamb is always slaughtered on the Day of Preparation (the day before), NOT on the High Sabbath. I have understood for a long time that the 15th of Nisan fell on Friday that year, but here is one site that claims if fell on Thursday. Either way there is no such thing as GOOD FRIDAY, as it does not square with fulfilling the Passover Lamb prophesy.

Two Sabbaths
i will trust the scriptures i quoted a lot more than i trust anyone's opinion...

anyway the source you just quoted is in agreement with what i wrote...the seder marked the end of the fourteenth day and the beginning of the fifteenth day...and this fifteenth day was the first day of the feast of unleavened bread...

the inevitable consequence of this fact...as i have already pointed out...is that jesus was crucified on the fifteenth day of the month...and that this day can only have been a -friday- since the only way for the sixteenth day of the month to be a sabbath is if it is the weekly saturday sabbath...
 
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Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Matt. 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

3 days and 3 nights; 3 - 24 hour periods = 72 hours

We know that Jesus died around three pm and was probably buried around 6:00pm on what tradition has as Good Friday - we would count that evening 6 pm to Saturday 6pm which would be 24 hours; then Saturday 6pm to Sunday am???? Where is the 72 hours? There isn't any way to make 72hrs from Friday evening to Sunday morning -
 
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Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Matt. 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

3 days and 3 nights; 3 - 24 hour periods = 72 hours

We know that Jesus died around three pm and was probably buried around 6:00pm on what tradition has as Good Friday - we would count that evening 6 pm to Saturday 6pm which would be 24 hours; then Saturday 6pm to Sunday am???? Where is the 72 hours? There isn't any way to make 72hrs from Friday evening to Sunday morning -
scripture doesn't say -anything- about seventy-two hours...that is a modern -assumption- about what 'three days and three nights' meant...an assumption that turns out to be false...

and if you read the first post in this thread...there is absolutely no alternative to a friday crucifixion and a sunday resurrection...they are the only days that actually match the biblical account...

if you insist on a seventy-two hour time period...then basically you are insisting that scripture is in hopeless contradiction with itself...

but if we humble ourselves and reject this tendency to impose on the text a modernist assumption that it must have been seventy-two hours...and instead let scripture itself determine its own timekeeping convention...then there is no contradiction at all...

for obvious reasons we should prefer the second option...
 
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sigh...another person who hasn't actually read the post they are responding to...all of this is dealt with in my first post in this thread...

certain people seem to assume that since there were sabbaths associated with the passover that they can then put those sabbaths on whatever date they want to make their 'anti good friday' scenario work...but that is not the case... the passover sabbaths were fixed with respect to the lunar calendar...they -always- happened on the fifteenth day and the twenty-first day of the month...that is the first and seventh days of the feast...

i already proved in my post that jesus died on the first day of the feast...the fifteenth of the month... the sabbath after jesus' death would be the sixteenth of the month...the second day of the feast... but there is no special feast sabbath on the second day of the feast or the sixteenth of the month...so this sabbath can -only- have been the weekly saturday sabbath...meaning the day jesus died was a friday...there is no other possibility...
if people just believed what they read, even the most basics tenets of the christian faith would be testified to by the Holy Spirit as true. whether one has researched the feasts of that year or not. it's very clear. God did a work in those days that no one would believe. and no matter the complaints from the rabbinic crowd, Jesus changed everything.

i see so many belonging to this mosaic/antichristian rabbinic religious sect who just have to find ways to make the bible say what it does not, so they can justify their twisted beliefs. i even see some eating lamb during their jewish feasts! and calling it godly. what an insult to Christ.

thanks again for an extremely well done study. refreshing. two thumbs up.
 
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and if you read the first post in this thread...there is absolutely no alternative to a friday crucifixion and a sunday resurrection...they are the only days that actually match the biblical account...
but the terrible christian church has observed this for thousands of years. we can't do what those "pagans" have always done (sarcasm).
 
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an increasingly popular claim today is the notion that jesus did not actually die on a friday...most commonly it is suggested that jesus died on a wednesday...others have suggested that jesus died on a thursday or even a tuesday...a few people have even argued that jesus did not rise from the dead on a sunday!

however this view is mistaken...as i will show in this thread...jesus -did- die on a friday and he -did- rise on a sunday and there is absolutely no alternative that does not contradict scripture...


to begin with...much of the confusion comes from misconceptions about the timing and duration of the passover or feast of unleavened bread... many are under the mistaken impression that passover and the feast of unleavened bread are two separate festivals...with the feast of unleavened bread beginning twenty-four hours after the passover seder...

but scripture indicates that this idea is incorrect...and shows that the terms 'passover' and 'feast of unleavened bread' are actually interchangeable names for the same seven day feast...

ezekiel 45:21..."In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, you shall have the Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten."
luke 22:1..."Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, was approaching."

furthermore scripture shows that the passover seder marked the first day of the feast unleavened bread...

matthew 26:17..."Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, 'Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?'"
mark 14:12..."On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was being sacrificed, His disciples *said to Him, 'Where do You want us to go and prepare for You to eat the Passover?'"
luke 22:7..."Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed."

so the passover seder corresponded with the first day of the feast of unleavened bread...the feast of unleaved bread did -not- begin a day later as many people have assumed...

the feast of unleavened bread began on a fixed date in the hebrew calendar each year...specifically the fifteenth day of the month of abib...

leviticus 23:6..."Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread."
numbers 28:17..."On the fifteenth day of this month shall be a feast, unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days."

so the passover and feast of unleavened bread went as follows...

abib 15...first day of the feast of unleavened bread...beginning with passover seder...sacred assembly held...
abib 16...second day of the feast of unleavened bread...
abib 17...third day of the feast...
abib 18...fourth day...
abib 19...fifth day...
abib 20...sixth day...
abib 21...seventh day of the feast of unleavened bread...sacred assembly held...

someone will probably object that scripture states that the passover seder was held on the evening of the -fourteenth- day...implying that it was the fourteenth day when the seder was held...with the feast of unleavened bread not beginning until one day later on the fifteenth day...

but this notion is based on another misconception...it turns out that when scripture speaks of the evening of a certain day...it is actually indicating the -end- of that day and the -beginning- of the next day... this convention is clear from the scripture on the day of atonement...

leviticus 23:27-32..."On exactly the tenth day of this seventh month is the day of atonement; it shall be a holy convocation for you, and you shall humble your souls and present an offering by fire to the Lord. You shall not do any work on this same day, for it is a day of atonement, to make atonement on your behalf before the Lord your God. If there is any person who will not humble himself on this same day, he shall be cut off from his people. As for any person who does any work on this same day, that person I will destroy from among his people. You shall do no work at all. It is to be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwelling places. It is to be a sabbath of complete rest to you, and you shall humble your souls; on the ninth of the month at evening, from evening until evening you shall keep your sabbath."

it is clear from this scripture that the evening of the ninth day was regarded as the -ending- of the ninth day and the -beginning- of the tenth day which was the day of atonement...with the ninth day not actually being part of the day of atonement...

so applying scripture's own convention to passover and the feast of unleavened bread...it is equally clear that the evening of the passover seder was the -end- of the fourteenth day of the month and the -beginning- of the fifteenth day of the month...the fourteenth day itself was not part of the passover observance or the feast of unleavened bread...


having established that...we can say that anything that took place in the daylight hours immediately following the night of the seder happened on what scripture would call the fifteenth day...

that is significant because jesus was crucified in the daylight hours immediately following the night of the seder he held with his disciples...that means jesus was crucified on the fifteenth day of the month...


someone may try to argue that jesus' last supper was not actually the passover seder...but that is disproved by mark 14:12...which i quoted above...it clearly shows that the passover lambs were killed on the evening of the same day jesus' disciples obtained the use of the upper room for his last supper...so there is no doubt that the last supper was a passover seder...


having established that jesus was crucified on the fifteenth day of the month of abib...we now look to the fact that the day following jesus' crucifixion was a sabbath...

mark 15:42..."When evening had already come, because it was the preparation day, that is, the day before the Sabbath,"
john 19:31..."Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

the entire basis of all 'anti good friday' arguments is the notion that this sabbath could have been one of the days of assembly associated with the feast of unleavened bread...however we can now see that this is impossible...

given that jesus was crucified on the fifteenth day of abib...it is clear that the sabbath of the following day would have fallen on the sixteenth day of abib...however in the laws regarding the passover and feast of unleavened bread there is no provision for a sabbath on the sixteenth day of abib...but only on the fifteenth and twenty-first days of the month...

in fact it is apparent that the sabbatical assembly was actually held on the day of the crucifixion...which likely explains how the jews were so quickly assembled before pilate to observe the trial of jesus...they would have been assembling anyway...

this all means that this sabbath can -only- be the weekly saturday sabbath...and if the day after jesus' crucifixion was a saturday...then jesus was crucified on a friday...


having established that jesus was crucified on a friday...it is relatively easy to prove that jesus rose on a sunday...here are the relevant scriptures...

matthew 28:1..."Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave."
mark 16:2..."Very early on the first day of the week, they *came to the tomb when the sun had risen."
mark 16:9..."Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."
luke 24:1..."But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared."
john 20:1..."Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene *came early to the tomb, while it *was still dark, and *saw the stone already taken away from the tomb."

the unanimous testimony of all four gospel writers is pretty much non debateable...jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week...a sunday...


so in conclusion i have proven from scripture that jesus could not have been crucified on any other day but a friday...and that he rose from the dead on a sunday...scripture simply does not allow any alternative such as a wednesday crucifixion...
it would be edifying and useful to examine this thread more carefully. this poster has done a very good job.
there may be errors, but i can't see them. for those who would struggle against this, do you have better biblical and historical evidence than this poster?
 

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i will trust the scriptures i quoted a lot more than i trust anyone's opinion...

anyway the source you just quoted is in agreement with what i wrote...the seder marked the end of the fourteenth day and the beginning of the fifteenth day...and this fifteenth day was the first day of the feast of unleavened bread...

the inevitable consequence of this fact...as i have already pointed out...is that jesus was crucified on the fifteenth day of the month...and that this day can only have been a -friday- since the only way for the sixteenth day of the month to be a sabbath is if it is the weekly saturday sabbath...

Again NO, the Day of preparation is ALWAYS the 14th of Nisan, and that is the Day that the passover lamb is sacrificed in late afternoon before Sundown. It is consumed on the 15th, but they can not do any work after Sundown on the 14th, including killing and preparing the sacrifice. Ask any practicing JEW.

Passover (Pesach)

Preparing for the Passover

A lot of preparation was put in for the Passover. On the 10th of Nisan a lamb was brought into home (Exodus 12:3,6). This was the Passover Lamb that was kept until the 14th. On the Eve of Passover, all leaven were to be searched out and burned (Exodus 12:19). It was also a symbolic way of leaving the sinful life of Egypt.
The Passover Meal

On the 14th of Nisan, just before sunset, the Passover Lamb was to be slaughtered and was roasted whole (no bone was to be broken) and eaten with unleavened bread and bitter herbs. The unleavened bread was made simply from flour and water and cooked very quickly. This ceremony was rich in symbolism: the blood of the lamb symbolized the cleansing of sins; bitter herbs, the bitterness of slavery in Egypt; the unleavened bread, purity.
On the Eve of Passover is between 3:00 PM and 6:00 PM on the 14th of Nisan. The 15th of Nisan has always been considered a HIGH SABBATH to the Jews, even though it usually did not fall on a Saturday. Ask any Rabbi. I first learned of this from Dr. Zola Levitt who was a practicing JEW who was led to become a born again Chrisitan.
ZLM Video: “Passover”

2 Chronicles 30:15 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Then they slaughtered the Passover lambs on the fourteenth day of the second month. The priests and the Levites
were ashamed, and sanctified themselves, and brought the burnt offerings to the house of the LORD.

Numbers 9:11 (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] On the fourteenth day of the second month, at twilight, they may keep it. They shall eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.

2 Chronicles 35:1 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now Josiah kept a Passover to the LORD in Jerusalem, and they slaughtered the Passover lambs on the fourteenth day of the first month.


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NOTICE the discrepancy that PUT two Scriptures mentioning the Passover being held in the SECOND MONTH instead of the FIRST MONTH. I was wondering if I found a major typo, but kept searching for a better answer and found it in Dr. John MacArthur's Commentary on 2 Chron. 30:2. HOWEVER NOTICE, that even then the Passover lambs were sacrificed on the 14th:

2 Chron. 30:2 second month -
This call to Passover was to unite the nation again in worship. Normally, the Passover would be in the first month (March/April). The rule of exception for individuals who were unclean or absent (Num. 9:9-11) was applied to the whole nation.

The MacArthur Bible Commentary.
 

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The lamb is always slaughtered on the Day of Preparation (the day before), NOT on the High Sabbath. I have understood for a long time that the 15th of Nisan fell on Friday that year, but here is one site that claims if fell on Thursday. Either way there is no such thing as GOOD FRIDAY, as it does not square with fulfilling the Passover Lamb prophesy.

Two Sabbaths
Your last comment doesn't make sense. If it happened on a Friday, then Good Friday does exist.[/QUOTE]


Two Sabbaths






WHEN WAS CHRIST JESUS CRUCIFIED? - WAS IT ON GOOD FRIDAY?

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[TD="width: 100%"]Christ Jesus celebrated His last Passover Seder Feast (The "Last Supper") aftersundown on the Hebrew’s 14th day, of their 1st month, in springtime, CE 31.
Non-Hebrews would call that night in CE 31, Tuesday evening, while the Hebrews (both then and now) know that night as Wednesday, once the sun has set.
After sunrise the next morning, still a Hebrew’s Wednesday, and still the day of the Feast of Passover, Christ Jesus was crucified.
He was declared officially dead that same afternoon and His burial was completed just a moment before sundown.[/TD]
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What I am finding, is lots of sites say he died on the 14th of Nisan between 3:00 PM and 6:00 PM. What they cannot seem to agree on is what day of the week was the 14th of Nisan the year Christ died. Why is that so hard to pin down, when we know how many days there were in the Hebrew Calendar? Plus every seventh year you had to add a whole month during the year of Jubilee. The above two place the 14th of Nisan that year as being a Wednesday. But I have seen some who claim it was Thursday, and I suppose some who would insist the 14th was a Friday. However, it has been my experience, that those who insist that Christ was crucified on Friday, know little about the Jewish rule that required that the sacrificial lamb was always scrificed for passover on the 14th.




 
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an increasingly popular claim today is the notion that jesus did not actually die on a friday...most commonly it is suggested that jesus died on a wednesday...others have suggested that jesus died on a thursday or even a tuesday...a few people have even argued that jesus did not rise from the dead on a sunday!

however this view is mistaken...as i will show in this thread...jesus -did- die on a friday and he -did- rise on a sunday and there is absolutely no alternative that does not contradict scripture...


to begin with...much of the confusion comes from misconceptions about the timing and duration of the passover or feast of unleavened bread... many are under the mistaken impression that passover and the feast of unleavened bread are two separate festivals...with the feast of unleavened bread beginning twenty-four hours after the passover seder...

but scripture indicates that this idea is incorrect...and shows that the terms 'passover' and 'feast of unleavened bread' are actually interchangeable names for the same seven day feast...

ezekiel 45:21..."In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, you shall have the Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten."
luke 22:1..."Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, was approaching."

furthermore scripture shows that the passover seder marked the first day of the feast unleavened bread...

matthew 26:17..."Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, 'Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?'"
mark 14:12..."On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was being sacrificed, His disciples *said to Him, 'Where do You want us to go and prepare for You to eat the Passover?'"
luke 22:7..."Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed."

so the passover seder corresponded with the first day of the feast of unleavened bread...the feast of unleaved bread did -not- begin a day later as many people have assumed...

the feast of unleavened bread began on a fixed date in the hebrew calendar each year...specifically the fifteenth day of the month of abib...

leviticus 23:6..."Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread."
numbers 28:17..."On the fifteenth day of this month shall be a feast, unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days."

so the passover and feast of unleavened bread went as follows...

abib 15...first day of the feast of unleavened bread...beginning with passover seder...sacred assembly held...
abib 16...second day of the feast of unleavened bread...
abib 17...third day of the feast...
abib 18...fourth day...
abib 19...fifth day...
abib 20...sixth day...
abib 21...seventh day of the feast of unleavened bread...sacred assembly held...

someone will probably object that scripture states that the passover seder was held on the evening of the -fourteenth- day...implying that it was the fourteenth day when the seder was held...with the feast of unleavened bread not beginning until one day later on the fifteenth day...

but this notion is based on another misconception...it turns out that when scripture speaks of the evening of a certain day...it is actually indicating the -end- of that day and the -beginning- of the next day... this convention is clear from the scripture on the day of atonement...

leviticus 23:27-32..."On exactly the tenth day of this seventh month is the day of atonement; it shall be a holy convocation for you, and you shall humble your souls and present an offering by fire to the Lord. You shall not do any work on this same day, for it is a day of atonement, to make atonement on your behalf before the Lord your God. If there is any person who will not humble himself on this same day, he shall be cut off from his people. As for any person who does any work on this same day, that person I will destroy from among his people. You shall do no work at all. It is to be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwelling places. It is to be a sabbath of complete rest to you, and you shall humble your souls; on the ninth of the month at evening, from evening until evening you shall keep your sabbath."

it is clear from this scripture that the evening of the ninth day was regarded as the -ending- of the ninth day and the -beginning- of the tenth day which was the day of atonement...with the ninth day not actually being part of the day of atonement...

so applying scripture's own convention to passover and the feast of unleavened bread...it is equally clear that the evening of the passover seder was the -end- of the fourteenth day of the month and the -beginning- of the fifteenth day of the month...the fourteenth day itself was not part of the passover observance or the feast of unleavened bread...


having established that...we can say that anything that took place in the daylight hours immediately following the night of the seder happened on what scripture would call the fifteenth day...

that is significant because jesus was crucified in the daylight hours immediately following the night of the seder he held with his disciples...that means jesus was crucified on the fifteenth day of the month...


someone may try to argue that jesus' last supper was not actually the passover seder...but that is disproved by mark 14:12...which i quoted above...it clearly shows that the passover lambs were killed on the evening of the same day jesus' disciples obtained the use of the upper room for his last supper...so there is no doubt that the last supper was a passover seder...


having established that jesus was crucified on the fifteenth day of the month of abib...we now look to the fact that the day following jesus' crucifixion was a sabbath...

mark 15:42..."When evening had already come, because it was the preparation day, that is, the day before the Sabbath,"
john 19:31..."Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

the entire basis of all 'anti good friday' arguments is the notion that this sabbath could have been one of the days of assembly associated with the feast of unleavened bread...however we can now see that this is impossible...

given that jesus was crucified on the fifteenth day of abib...it is clear that the sabbath of the following day would have fallen on the sixteenth day of abib...however in the laws regarding the passover and feast of unleavened bread there is no provision for a sabbath on the sixteenth day of abib...but only on the fifteenth and twenty-first days of the month...

in fact it is apparent that the sabbatical assembly was actually held on the day of the crucifixion...which likely explains how the jews were so quickly assembled before pilate to observe the trial of jesus...they would have been assembling anyway...

this all means that this sabbath can -only- be the weekly saturday sabbath...and if the day after jesus' crucifixion was a saturday...then jesus was crucified on a friday...


having established that jesus was crucified on a friday...it is relatively easy to prove that jesus rose on a sunday...here are the relevant scriptures...

matthew 28:1..."Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave."
mark 16:2..."Very early on the first day of the week, they *came to the tomb when the sun had risen."
mark 16:9..."Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."
luke 24:1..."But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared."
john 20:1..."Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene *came early to the tomb, while it *was still dark, and *saw the stone already taken away from the tomb."

the unanimous testimony of all four gospel writers is pretty much non debateable...jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week...a sunday...


so in conclusion i have proven from scripture that jesus could not have been crucified on any other day but a friday...and that he rose from the dead on a sunday...scripture simply does not allow any alternative such as a wednesday crucifixion...
Luke 23
The Death of Jesus
44By this time it was about noon, and darkness fell across the whole land until three o’clock. 45The light from the sun was gone. And suddenly, the curtain in the sanctuary of the Temple was torn down the middle. 46Then Jesus shouted, “Father, I entrust my spirit into your hands!”h And with those words he breathed his last.

47When the Roman officeri overseeing the execution saw what had happened, he worshiped God and said, “Surely this man was innocent.j48And when all the crowd that came to see the crucifixion saw what had happened, they went home in deep sorrow.k 49But Jesus’ friends, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance watching.

The Burial of Jesus
50Now there was a good and righteous man named Joseph. He was a member of the Jewish high council,51but he had not agreed with the decision and actions of the other religious leaders. He was from the town of Arimathea in Judea, and he was waiting for the Kingdom of God to come. 52He went to Pilate and asked for Jesus’ body. 53Then he took the body down from the cross and wrapped it in a long sheet of linen cloth and laid it in a new tomb that had been carved out of rock. 54This was done late on Friday afternoon, the day of preparation,l as the Sabbath was about to begin.
 
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when you allow the bible to speak its own language...friday to sunday -is- three days...that was the -entire point- of this thread...but you seem to have a gift for missing the obvious...

i proved in my second post in this thread that partial days are counted as days in their own right...in other words a period shorter than twenty-four hours can still be considered a 'day' in many cases... however that fact also has the direct consequence that periods -longer- than twenty-four hours -cannot- be considered a single day...so your suggestion of a 100 hour 'day' is an impossibility...

it is only the insistence on imposing modern timekeeping conventions on the biblical narrative that resulted in an apparent contradiction between the 'three days and three nights' and the established friday to sunday period of time that jesus was in the tomb... simply remove that anachronistic assumption and the 'contradiction' vanishes...

most likely the forty days jesus was in the desert has not been controversial because the narrative surrounding that period has far fewer time constraints...a person could get away with implicitly assuming modern timekeeping conventions there without creating a contradiction...and therefore nobody felt the need to controversially reinvent the entire narrative to get rid of their self inflicted confusion...

it is important to stress that neither narrative contains any inherent contradiction...it is only because of an anachronistic hermeneutic that anything in the crucifixion-resurrection narrative ever appeared even slightly contradictory in the first place...
When you say that a "100-hour day is an impossibility", you yourself are "imposing modern timekeeping conventions on the biblical narrative". Why should anyone assume that days in Genesis were the same length as a modern day? There's nothing in the context to suggest a 24-hour period. And I already brought up the lack of a "timekeeping" sun and Earth, which is where we get our modern idea of a 24-hour day. A day on Mars, for example, is a different length of time because Mars revolves at a different interval. Why, without these tools that actually measure the length of a day, would anyone assume that days were the same length? The irony here is that you're lecturing me about making assumptions from only what is observed now and putting those assumptions on the bible narrative while you're doing it yourself.

And I agree with you that "nobody felt the need to controversially reinvent the entire narrative [of the temptation of Christ] to get rid of their self-inflicted confusion". That was my point. I said that nobody was trying to apologize for the length of those 40 days or trying to clarify how long they actually were because there was no need, so readers just assume that they were 40 days from a modern perspective. Christians feel free to "impose modern timekeeping conventions on the biblical narrative" (that thing you just said I was doing wrong) because it isn't necessary for them to do otherwise.

You can stress the lack of contradictions all you want, but I presented evidence and you didn't make an effort here to show why that evidence was wrong. Do you think it's impossible for the bible to contain contradictions? There are some rather obvious ones, especially when it comes to "timekeeping".
 

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an increasingly popular claim today is the notion that jesus did not actually die on a friday...most commonly it is suggested that jesus died on a wednesday...others have suggested that jesus died on a thursday or even a tuesday...a few people have even argued that jesus did not rise from the dead on a sunday!

however this view is mistaken...as i will show in this thread...jesus -did- die on a friday and he -did- rise on a sunday and there is absolutely no alternative that does not contradict scripture...


to begin with...much of the confusion comes from misconceptions about the timing and duration of the passover or feast of unleavened bread... many are under the mistaken impression that passover and the feast of unleavened bread are two separate festivals...with the feast of unleavened bread beginning twenty-four hours after the passover seder...

but scripture indicates that this idea is incorrect...and shows that the terms 'passover' and 'feast of unleavened bread' are actually interchangeable names for the same seven day feast...

ezekiel 45:21..."In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, you shall have the Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten."
luke 22:1..."Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, was approaching."

furthermore scripture shows that the passover seder marked the first day of the feast unleavened bread...

matthew 26:17..."Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, 'Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?'"
mark 14:12..."On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was being sacrificed, His disciples *said to Him, 'Where do You want us to go and prepare for You to eat the Passover?'"
luke 22:7..."Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed."

so the passover seder corresponded with the first day of the feast of unleavened bread...the feast of unleaved bread did -not- begin a day later as many people have assumed...

the feast of unleavened bread began on a fixed date in the hebrew calendar each year...specifically the fifteenth day of the month of abib...

leviticus 23:6..."Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread."
numbers 28:17..."On the fifteenth day of this month shall be a feast, unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days."

Very nice except you left this part out...

Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.

The Passover is on the FOURTEENTH day of the first month.

so the passover and feast of unleavened bread went as follows...
for your calculations, again you conveniently left out...

Abib 14...Passover

abib 15...first day of the feast of unleavened bread...beginning with passover seder...sacred assembly held...
abib 16...second day of the feast of unleavened bread...
abib 17...third day of the feast...
abib 18...fourth day...
abib 19...fifth day...
abib 20...sixth day...
abib 21...seventh day of the feast of unleavened bread...sacred assembly held...

someone will probably object that scripture states that the passover seder was held on the evening of the -fourteenth- day...implying that it was the fourteenth day when the seder was held...with the feast of unleavened bread not beginning until one day later on the fifteenth day...

but this notion is based on another misconception...it turns out that when scripture speaks of the evening of a certain day...it is actually indicating the -end- of that day and the -beginning- of the next day... this convention is clear from the scripture on the day of atonement...

leviticus 23:27-32..."On exactly the tenth day of this seventh month is the day of atonement; it shall be a holy convocation for you, and you shall humble your souls and present an offering by fire to the Lord. You shall not do any work on this same day, for it is a day of atonement, to make atonement on your behalf before the Lord your God. If there is any person who will not humble himself on this same day, he shall be cut off from his people. As for any person who does any work on this same day, that person I will destroy from among his people. You shall do no work at all. It is to be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwelling places. It is to be a sabbath of complete rest to you, and you shall humble your souls; on the ninth of the month at evening, from evening until evening you shall keep your sabbath."
What this scirpture actually reinforces is that days begin at sunset and end at sunset. The evening portion of the day is the BEGINNING of the day, not the end of it and running it into the next day...

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Days begin at sunset and the night portion is the first part of day and the daylight portion is the last part of a day.

it is clear from this scripture that the evening of the ninth day was regarded as the -ending- of the ninth day and the -beginning- of the tenth day which was the day of atonement...with the ninth day not actually being part of the day of atonement...
Only problem here is that nowhere in the description of Atonement is the ninth day mentioned. What is said is that the Day of Atonement begins at even on the tenth day. Same with the the Passover, it begins at even of the fourteenth.

so applying scripture's own convention to passover and the feast of unleavened bread...it is equally clear that the evening of the passover seder was the -end- of the fourteenth day of the month and the -beginning- of the fifteenth day of the month...the fourteenth day itself was not part of the passover observance or the feast of unleavened bread...
Not at all, you have twisted scripture.


having established that...we can say that anything that took place in the daylight hours immediately following the night of the seder happened on what scripture would call the fifteenth day...
All you have established here is that you do not understand how days are actually marked from sunset to sunset.

that is significant because jesus was crucified in the daylight hours immediately following the night of the seder he held with his disciples...that means jesus was crucified on the fifteenth day of the month...
Interesting, but Christ was crucifed on the DAY BEFORE the Holy Day know as the First Day of Unleavened Bread...

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Here we see that Christ DIED.

Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

The High Day here is the First Day of Unleavened Bread, the 15th of ABIB and Christ was already dead and they buried Him before sunset, before the First Day of Unleavened Bread.

Joh 19:32 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
Joh 19:33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:



someone may try to argue that jesus' last supper was not actually the passover seder...but that is disproved by mark 14:12...which i quoted above...it clearly shows that the passover lambs were killed on the evening of the same day jesus' disciples obtained the use of the upper room for his last supper...so there is no doubt that the last supper was a passover seder...


having established that jesus was crucified on the fifteenth day of the month of abib...we now look to the fact that the day following jesus' crucifixion was a sabbath...
So what you have established is the jesus christ you are talking about was not killed on the Passover, the Passover is...

Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.

Remember, days begin at evening as we saw in Genesis and as Lev 23:32 palinly shows. So for the Passover to be at even on the fourteenth, it could not have been the fifteenth.

mark 15:42..."When evening had already come, because it was the preparation day, that is, the day before the Sabbath,"
This is a big hint here, the day before the Sabbath...

Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

The day before the First Day of Unleavened Bread.

john 19:31..."Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

the entire basis of all 'anti good friday' arguments is the notion that this sabbath could have been one of the days of assembly associated with the feast of unleavened bread...however we can now see that this is impossible...

given that jesus was crucified on the fifteenth day of abib...it is clear that the sabbath of the following day would have fallen on the sixteenth day of abib...however in the laws regarding the passover and feast of unleavened bread there is no provision for a sabbath on the sixteenth day of abib...but only on the fifteenth and twenty-first days of the month...

in fact it is apparent that the sabbatical assembly was actually held on the day of the crucifixion...which likely explains how the jews were so quickly assembled before pilate to observe the trial of jesus...they would have been assembling anyway...

this all means that this sabbath can -only- be the weekly saturday sabbath...and if the day after jesus' crucifixion was a saturday...then jesus was crucified on a friday...


having established that jesus was crucified on a friday...it is relatively easy to prove that jesus rose on a sunday...here are the relevant scriptures...

matthew 28:1..."Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave."
mark 16:2..."Very early on the first day of the week, they *came to the tomb when the sun had risen."
mark 16:9..."Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."
luke 24:1..."But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared."
john 20:1..."Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene *came early to the tomb, while it *was still dark, and *saw the stone already taken away from the tomb."

the unanimous testimony of all four gospel writers is pretty much non debateable...jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week...a sunday...


so in conclusion i have proven from scripture that jesus could not have been crucified on any other day but a friday...and that he rose from the dead on a sunday...scripture simply does not allow any alternative such as a wednesday crucifixion...
Now with this scripture in mind...

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

Please count three 12 hour days and three 12 hour nights from Friday at sunset to before dawn on Sunday morning.
 
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What is really interesting and the core of discussion here is trying to establish a Good Friday, Ishtar Sunday tradition when the scriptural evidence is about the Passover and Days of Unleavened Bread.

Doesn't that strike you odd?
 
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does it matter what day? i'm not sure the day Jesus died or what day He rose, but i believe with all my heart that He did die, then come back to life in 3 days. The teaching of Jesus dying on wednesday a coming back to life on Sabbath, makes more sense to me than friday till sunday, so i'll stick with that one for now. The thing i believe is that it happened, but can't say for sure what days.
 

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does it matter what day? i'm not sure the day Jesus died or what day He rose, but i believe with all my heart that He did die, then come back to life in 3 days. The teaching of Jesus dying on wednesday a coming back to life on Sabbath, makes more sense to me than friday till sunday, so i'll stick with that one for now. The thing i believe is that it happened, but can't say for sure what days.
It really does matter...

Mat 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Christ siad the only sign He would give that He was the Savior was three days and three nights in the tomb.

The Good Friday, Ishtar Sunday tradition is the basis of the Catholic church changing the day of worship from the Sabbath to the first day of the week. That matters a great deal.
 
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So what you have established is the jesus christ you are talking about was not killed on the Passover, the Passover is...

Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.

Remember, days begin at evening as we saw in Genesis and as Lev 23:32 palinly shows. So for the Passover to be at even on the fourteenth, it could not have been the fifteenth.



This is a big hint here, the day before the Sabbath...

Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

The day before the First Day of Unleavened Bread.



Now with this scripture in mind...

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

Please count three 12 hour days and three 12 hour nights from Friday at sunset to before dawn on Sunday morning.
Minor problem with that,if the Passover lambs were killed at the BEGINNING of the 14th and not the end,you end up with almost a 30 hour window between the times the Passover meal was eaten and when they left Egypt. The angel came at MIDNIGHT of Nissan 15. So why would God have them prepare a meal that was to be eaten in HASTE almost 30 or more hours BEFORE they were to leave? The meal was eaten the SAME NIGHT THEY LEFT EGYPT.