Good Friday and Easter Sunday

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The Good Friday, Ishtar Sunday tradition is the basis of the Catholic church changing the day of worship from the Sabbath to the first day of the week. That matters a great deal.
6th day of the week and the 1st day of the week for the death and resurrection. the OP has shown it.
 

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While I respect that many Christians are legitimately celebrating the death and resurrection of our Savior, and His resurrection is certainly something to be celebrated, Easter IS NOT Biblical.

It was never done or taught in the Bible.
The Disciples never did.
Jesus never did.

It's not Biblical.

At least Passover is in the Bible, and Jesus and the disciples celebrated it.
 
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does it matter what day? i'm not sure the day Jesus died or what day He rose, but i believe with all my heart that He did die, then come back to life in 3 days. The teaching of Jesus dying on wednesday a coming back to life on Sabbath, makes more sense to me than friday till sunday, so i'll stick with that one for now. The thing i believe is that it happened, but can't say for sure what days.
Good point. there is however an interesting comparison with Passover, and three days later in Exodus.

Now I have known for some time that the resurrection day is substantially profound in the Christian realm of today, but in my ignorance, I was never able to connect it with the slaughter of the Passover Lamb in Exodus until deeper study into the Word of God.

Get a load of this written in Exodus 15:22-25a. “So Moses brought Israel from the Red sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur; and they went three days in the wilderness, and found no water. And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah. And the people murmured against Moses, saying, What shall we drink? And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet:”

The Word of God says it best so I will just quote John 4:7, 11-14 to the end of this chapter. “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink. The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.”
According to the Biblical Sabbath days, and the women buying spices to anoint the dead body of Jesus, we can surmise that the day Christ died was on Wednesday, which would have been the fourteenth of Abib/Nisan according to Luke 23:54-56. “And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.” This phrase indicates that night had already fallen, and was the beginning of the “high day” being the first day of “The Feast of Unleavened Bread” called “Passover.” We also see that the women “which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.”

The day falling between the first day of “Unleavened Bread,” called a Sabbath in Luke 23:54, and the weekly Sabbath would be the day the women prepared spices for anointing the body of Jesus. “And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.” Take note that they rested after preparing the spices.

Then, in Mark 16:1-4 we see on the eighteenth day of the monthwhen the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.”
 
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We can't say easter is all bad, same as christmas. Easter and christmas, get people thinking more about Christ on those days churches are packed. People seem more friendly and compassionate, i'm not a big fan of those days, but i do see some goodness come from them. As long as Jesus is kept in the days, and the easter bunny and santa are left out, they seem alright.
 
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We can't say easter is all bad, same as christmas. Easter and christmas, get people thinking more about Christ on those days churches are packed. People seem more friendly and compassionate, i'm not a big fan of those days, but i do see some goodness come from them. As long as Jesus is kept in the days, and the easter bunny and santa are left out, they seem alright.
I agree to an extent brother, but santa, bunnies, and eggs seems to be teaching young children to focus on those things rather then Jesus Christ, because it's more fun than sitting in a church pew listening to a preacher. Actions speak louder that words in most cases, especially to children. Sad, but true.

Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old , he will not depart from it.
 
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What is really interesting and the core of discussion here is trying to establish a Good Friday, Ishtar Sunday tradition when the scriptural evidence is about the Passover and Days of Unleavened Bread.

Doesn't that strike you odd?
The history of the Jewish calendar may be divided into three periods—the Biblical, the Talmudic, and the post-Talmudic. The first rested purely on the observation of the sun and the moon, the second on observation and reckoning, the third entirely on reckoning.

That there is a slight error in the Jewish calendar—due to inaccuracies in the length of both the lunar and the solar years upon which it is based—has been asserted by a number of writers.

The following calculation of the differences between the Jewish and Gregorian lengths of the year and month was privately made for the writer byProf. William Harkness, formerly astronomical director of the United States Naval Observatory at Washington:


1 year = 365d. 05h. 997 12/19 ḥalaḳim or 365d. 05h. 55m. 25.439 s. 48m. 46.069 s. true value (29d. 12h. 793 ḥalaḳim) 235 = 6939d. 16h. 595 ḥalaḳim = 19 years 29d. 12h. 44m. 3⅓s. True value = 29d. 12h. 44m. 02.841s.


According to these calculations the Jewish year exceeds the Gregorian by 6 m. 39.37s. and the Jewish month by .492 s. Insignificant as these differences may appear, they will cause a considerable divergence in the relations between Nisan and spring as time goes on, and may require a Pan-Judaic Synod to adjust.

CALENDAR, HISTORY OF - JewishEncyclopedia.com
 
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scripture doesn't say -anything- about seventy-two hours...that is a modern -assumption- about what 'three days and three nights' meant...an assumption that turns out to be false...

and if you read the first post in this thread...there is absolutely no alternative to a friday crucifixion and a sunday resurrection...they are the only days that actually match the biblical account...

if you insist on a seventy-two hour time period...then basically you are insisting that scripture is in hopeless contradiction with itself...

but if we humble ourselves and reject this tendency to impose on the text a modernist assumption that it must have been seventy-two hours...and instead let scripture itself determine its own timekeeping convention...then there is no contradiction at all...

for obvious reasons we should prefer the second option...
nope scripture doesn't say anything about seventy two hours - but it does say three days and three nights. Nor does scripture say that there isn't 24 hours in a day - why would I assume that the days were any different than they are now? EXCEPT for the fact that days were reckoned from sunset to sunset.

I don't see how I have 'insisted that scripture is in hopeless contradiction'.

Facts we know - 1) Christ died around 3:00pm and had to be buried before sunset that day because the following day was a 'high Sabbath', a special holy day, [John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,)] . . . not the regular weekly sabbath. 2) He was to be in the grave three days and three nights. He was raised the third day [1 Cor. 15:4] 3) He was already gone very early in the morning of the first day of the week [Luke 24:1] - at the rising of the sun [Mark 16:2]; as it began to dawn the first day of the week [Matt. 28:1]; the first day of the week - while it was yet dark [John 20:1]
 
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John 13
29 Some thought that, since Judas kept the money bag, Jesus told him, “Go, buy what we need for the feast,” or that he should give something to the poor.

buy what they needed for the feast.....they had just eaten?


"A voluntary peace offering was made on Passover and another, a compulsory one, on the next day, Nisan 15, the first day of the Festival of Unfermented Cakes. It was this second offering that the Jews were afraid they might not be able to eat if they contracted defilement in the judgment hall of Pilate".
Alfred Edersheim, The Temple, 1874, pp. 186, 187
 

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Minor problem with that,if the Passover lambs were killed at the BEGINNING of the 14th and not the end,you end up with almost a 30 hour window between the times the Passover meal was eaten and when they left Egypt. The angel came at MIDNIGHT of Nissan 15. So why would God have them prepare a meal that was to be eaten in HASTE almost 30 or more hours BEFORE they were to leave? The meal was eaten the SAME NIGHT THEY LEFT EGYPT.
The Jews were killing the Passover lambs on the afternoon of the 14th at about 3:00pm. Guess Who else died at that time? Perfect timing to coincide with the symbolism of the death of the Passover lambs, the Lamb of God died.

You really ought to put all the scriptures together and you find that the NEW TESTAMENT Passover is celebrated the evening of the 14th just as Christ shows in Luke 22 where He CHANGED the Passover symbols to the bread and wine.
 

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During the day of feast of the Passover no work was allowed. It was similar to a Sabbath. No one was allowed to kindle a fire or carry a water jar. The stores were all closed.
Keep this firmly in mind.

The eating of the sacrificed lamb and the unleavened bread was begun after sunset on the beginning of the Passover. In Roman Jerusalem, the Jews observed the beginning of each day at sunset. According to one Rabbi it was known the day had begun when the first stars appeared. The Romans observed the beginning of each day at midnight. If the Jews were to arrest Jesus during the Passover as opposed to the day of preparation for the Passover, they would have risked the anger of the people for violating the sacred feast by doing work.
Well so much for your fanciful idea that Christ was crucified on the 15th, the First Day of Unleavened Bread, the HIGH DAY.

The Last Supper and time of the Passover Feast

Now remember about no work and the shops being closed?

Mar 15:46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.
Mar 15:47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.

So Christ is entombed and the stone rolled in place. Sealed as it were.

Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.

Now remember this was about sunset and the tomb is sealed.

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Bringing the spices - To embalm the body of our Lord: but Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea had done this before the body was laid in the tomb. See Joh_19:39, Joh_19:40. But there was a second embalming found necessary: the first must have been hastily and imperfectly performed; the spices now brought by the women were intended to complete the preceding operation.

Where did they get the spices? Remember in that day a lot was used…

What is significant is the amount of spice brought to the tomb; it is estimated to be anywhere between seventy-five to hundred pounds. This is a huge amount; the common poor person would not be able to afford any spices to bury their loved ones. Those better off could afford some but not usually this amount. This is enough spice for the burial of a king.

Luk 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Luk 24:2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
Luk 24:3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

So, we have the death and burial and then the First Day of Unleavened Bread. They could not obtain spices because all the stores are closed. So when did they get the spices? Friday, they obtained them Friday and then rested according to what?

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

What Sabbath is commanded in the Commandments? The Feast Days? Nope, the seventh day Sabbath. The second Sabbath that week.

So here is the scenario…

Wednesday – Christ crucified and buried just before sunset.

Thursday – The First Day of Unleavened Bread, the High Day, no work is done and no spices obtained or prepared

Friday – the women obtained and prepared spices and then rested according to the Commandment.

Saturday – Sabbath, no work and no spices

Sunday – Women go there before dawn (John 20:1, still dark) and Christ is already gone.

The Good Friday, Ishtar Sunday myth fits none of the scriptures.
 
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The Jews were killing the Passover lambs on the afternoon of the 14th at about 3:00pm. Guess Who else died at that time? Perfect timing to coincide with the symbolism of the death of the Passover lambs, the Lamb of God died.

You really ought to put all the scriptures together and you find that the NEW TESTAMENT Passover is celebrated the evening of the 14th just as Christ shows in Luke 22 where He CHANGED the Passover symbols to the bread and wine.
Passover commences on the 15th of the Hebrew month of Nisan and lasts for either seven days (in Israel) or eight days (in the diaspora). In Judaism, a day commences at dusk and lasts until the following dusk, thus the first day of Passover only begins after dusk of the 14th of Nisan and ends at dusk of the 15th day of the month of Nisan. The rituals unique to the Passover celebrations commence with the Passover Seder when the 15th of Nisan has begun.
Passover - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nisan 15 was the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread according to Lev. 23:6.

but when God placed his name on jerusalem, they merged the days of unleavened bread with passover, and passover was then in Christ's day and is even today observed either on the 14th or 15th.

Deuteronomy 16
1Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night. 2Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there. 3Thou shalt eat no leavened bread with it; seven days shalt thou eat unleavened bread therewith, even the bread of affliction; for thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt in haste: that thou mayest remember the day when thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt all the days of thy life

John 18:28
"Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover."

Mark 14:12
And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

Luke 22:7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.

Mark 14
The Last Supper
12On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus’ disciples asked him, “Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”

13So he sent two of his disciples, telling them, “Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him. 14Say to the owner of the house he enters, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ 15He will show you a large room upstairs, furnished and ready. Make preparations for us there.”

16The disciples left, went into the city and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.
17When evening came, Jesus arrived with the Twelve. 18While they were reclining at the table eating, he said, “Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me—one who is eating with me.”

19They were saddened, and one by one they said to him, “Surely you don’t mean me?”

20“It is one of the Twelve,” he replied, “one who dips bread into the bowl with me. 21The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”
22While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.”

23Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, and they all drank from it.

24“This is my blood of thec covenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them. 25“Truly I tell you, I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

26When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

27“You will all fall away,” Jesus told them, “for it is written:
“ ‘I will strike the shepherd,
and the sheep will be scattered.’d

28But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.”

29Peter declared, “Even if all fall away, I will not.”

30“Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “today—yes, tonight—before the rooster crows twicee you yourself will disown me three times.”

31But Peter insisted emphatically, “Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you.” And all the others said the same.

32They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, “Sit here while I pray.” 33He took Peter, James and John along with him, and he began to be deeply distressed and troubled. 34“My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death,” he said to them. “Stay here and keep watch.”

35Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him.36“Abba,f Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.”

37Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Simon,” he said to Peter, “are you asleep? Couldn’t you keep watch for one hour? 38Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
39Once more he went away and prayed the same thing. 40When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. They did not know what to say to him.

41Returning the third time, he said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of sinners. 42Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!”

43Just as he was speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, appeared. With him was a crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests, the teachers of the law, and the elders.

44Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them: “The one I kiss is the man; arrest him and lead him away under guard.” 45Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, “Rabbi!” and kissed him. 46The men seized Jesus and arrested him. 47Then one of those standing near drew his sword and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.

48“Am I leading a rebellion,” said Jesus, “that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me?49Every day I was with you, teaching in the temple courts, and you did not arrest me. But the Scriptures must be fulfilled.” 50Then everyone deserted him and fled.

51A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him, 52he fled naked, leaving his garment behind.

53They took Jesus to the high priest, and all the chief priests, the elders and the teachers of the law came together. 54Peter followed him at a distance, right into the courtyard of the high priest. There he sat with the guards and warmed himself at the fire.

55The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death, but they did not find any. 56Many testified falsely against him, but their statements did not agree.

57Then some stood up and gave this false testimony against him: 58“We heard him say, ‘I will destroy this temple made with human hands and in three days will build another, not made with hands.’ ” 59Yet even then their testimony did not agree.

60Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 61But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.

Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”

62“I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

63The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64“You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”

They all condemned him as worthy of death. 65Then some began to spit at him; they blindfolded him, struck him with their fists, and said, “Prophesy!” And the guards took him and beat him.

66While Peter was below in the courtyard, one of the servant girls of the high priest came by. 67When she saw Peter warming himself, she looked closely at him.

“You also were with that Nazarene, Jesus,” she said.

68But he denied it. “I don’t know or understand what you’re talking about,” he said, and went out into the entryway.g

69When the servant girl saw him there, she said again to those standing around, “This fellow is one of them.” 70Again he denied it.

After a little while, those standing near said to Peter, “Surely you are one of them, for you are a Galilean.”

71He began to call down curses, and he swore to them, “I don’t know this man you’re talking about.”

72Immediately the rooster crowed the second time.h Then Peter remembered the word Jesus had spoken to him: “Before the rooster crows twicei you will disown me three times.” And he broke down and wept.


about 3am and Jesus is still alive on the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb...only a few more hours to go until sunrise..

did it only take them 3 hours to do everything they had to do, and for him to suffer and die before the lambs were sacrificed? were the lambs sacrificed at 3am? or the following day?
 

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nope scripture doesn't say anything about seventy two hours
Actually, in a round about way it does. It says three day and three nights...

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

Daylight consists of 12 hours and then there is the night. So to the next day period would be 12 more hours. 12 hours day and 12 hours night. 3 * 12 hour days = 36 hours + 3 * 12 hour nights = 36 hours = 72 hours.

- but it does say three days and three nights. Nor does scripture say that there isn't 24 hours in a day - why would I assume that the days were any different than they are now? EXCEPT for the fact that days were reckoned from sunset to sunset.

I don't see how I have 'insisted that scripture is in hopeless contradiction'.

Facts we know - 1) Christ died around 3:00pm and had to be buried before sunset that day because the following day was a 'high Sabbath', a special holy day, [John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,)] . . . not the regular weekly sabbath. 2) He was to be in the grave three days and three nights. He was raised the third day [1 Cor. 15:4] 3) He was already gone very early in the morning of the first day of the week [Luke 24:1] - at the rising of the sun [Mark 16:2]; as it began to dawn the first day of the week [Matt. 28:1]; the first day of the week - while it was yet dark [John 20:1]
 
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Actually, in a round about way it does. It says three day and three nights...

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

Daylight consists of 12 hours and then there is the night. So to the next day period would be 12 more hours. 12 hours day and 12 hours night. 3 * 12 hour days = 36 hours + 3 * 12 hour nights = 36 hours = 72 hours.
Hi john832:

I was actually responding to RachelBibleStudent's comment:
scripture doesn't say -anything- about seventy-two hours...that is a modern -assumption- about what 'three days and three nights' meant...an assumption that turns out to be false...

Thanks for the info . . . it just backs up the 24 hour day/night :)
 
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Actually, in a round about way it does. It says three day and three nights...

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

Daylight consists of 12 hours and then there is the night. So to the next day period would be 12 more hours. 12 hours day and 12 hours night. 3 * 12 hour days = 36 hours + 3 * 12 hour nights = 36 hours = 72 hours.
oh brother. in that context Jesus is saying are there not 12 hours of sunlight in each day. the subject is his travelling near night falling.
 

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Passover commences on the 15th of the Hebrew month of Nisan and lasts for either seven days (in Israel) or eight days (in the diaspora). In Judaism, a day commences at dusk and lasts until the following dusk, thus the first day of Passover only begins after dusk of the 14th of Nisan and ends at dusk of the 15th day of the month of Nisan. The rituals unique to the Passover celebrations commence with the Passover Seder when the 15th of Nisan has begun.
Passover - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nisan 15 was the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread according to Lev. 23:6.

but when God placed his name on jerusalem, they merged the days of unleavened bread with passover, and passover was then in Christ's day and is even today observed either on the 14th or 15th.

Deuteronomy 16
1Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night. 2Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there. 3Thou shalt eat no leavened bread with it; seven days shalt thou eat unleavened bread therewith, even the bread of affliction; for thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt in haste: that thou mayest remember the day when thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt all the days of thy life

John 18:28
"Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover."

Mark 14:12
And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

Luke 22:7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.

Mark 14
The Last Supper
12On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus’ disciples asked him, “Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”

13So he sent two of his disciples, telling them, “Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him. 14Say to the owner of the house he enters, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ 15He will show you a large room upstairs, furnished and ready. Make preparations for us there.”

16The disciples left, went into the city and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.
17When evening came, Jesus arrived with the Twelve. 18While they were reclining at the table eating, he said, “Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me—one who is eating with me.”

19They were saddened, and one by one they said to him, “Surely you don’t mean me?”

20“It is one of the Twelve,” he replied, “one who dips bread into the bowl with me. 21The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”
22While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.”

23Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, and they all drank from it.

24“This is my blood of thec covenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them. 25“Truly I tell you, I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

26When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

27“You will all fall away,” Jesus told them, “for it is written:
“ ‘I will strike the shepherd,
and the sheep will be scattered.’d

28But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.”

29Peter declared, “Even if all fall away, I will not.”

30“Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “today—yes, tonight—before the rooster crows twicee you yourself will disown me three times.”

31But Peter insisted emphatically, “Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you.” And all the others said the same.

32They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, “Sit here while I pray.” 33He took Peter, James and John along with him, and he began to be deeply distressed and troubled. 34“My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death,” he said to them. “Stay here and keep watch.”

35Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him.36“Abba,f Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.”

37Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Simon,” he said to Peter, “are you asleep? Couldn’t you keep watch for one hour? 38Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
39Once more he went away and prayed the same thing. 40When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. They did not know what to say to him.

41Returning the third time, he said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of sinners. 42Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!”

43Just as he was speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, appeared. With him was a crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests, the teachers of the law, and the elders.

44Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them: “The one I kiss is the man; arrest him and lead him away under guard.” 45Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, “Rabbi!” and kissed him. 46The men seized Jesus and arrested him. 47Then one of those standing near drew his sword and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.

48“Am I leading a rebellion,” said Jesus, “that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me?49Every day I was with you, teaching in the temple courts, and you did not arrest me. But the Scriptures must be fulfilled.” 50Then everyone deserted him and fled.

51A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him, 52he fled naked, leaving his garment behind.

53They took Jesus to the high priest, and all the chief priests, the elders and the teachers of the law came together. 54Peter followed him at a distance, right into the courtyard of the high priest. There he sat with the guards and warmed himself at the fire.

55The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death, but they did not find any. 56Many testified falsely against him, but their statements did not agree.

57Then some stood up and gave this false testimony against him: 58“We heard him say, ‘I will destroy this temple made with human hands and in three days will build another, not made with hands.’ ” 59Yet even then their testimony did not agree.

60Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 61But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.

Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”

62“I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

63The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64“You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”

They all condemned him as worthy of death. 65Then some began to spit at him; they blindfolded him, struck him with their fists, and said, “Prophesy!” And the guards took him and beat him.

66While Peter was below in the courtyard, one of the servant girls of the high priest came by. 67When she saw Peter warming himself, she looked closely at him.

“You also were with that Nazarene, Jesus,” she said.

68But he denied it. “I don’t know or understand what you’re talking about,” he said, and went out into the entryway.g

69When the servant girl saw him there, she said again to those standing around, “This fellow is one of them.” 70Again he denied it.

After a little while, those standing near said to Peter, “Surely you are one of them, for you are a Galilean.”

71He began to call down curses, and he swore to them, “I don’t know this man you’re talking about.”

72Immediately the rooster crowed the second time.h Then Peter remembered the word Jesus had spoken to him: “Before the rooster crows twicei you will disown me three times.” And he broke down and wept.


about 3am and Jesus is still alive on the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb...only a few more hours to go until sunrise..

did it only take them 3 hours to do everything they had to do, and for him to suffer and die before the lambs were sacrificed? were the lambs sacrificed at 3am? or the following day?
It is quite itelling that your authority for which day is Passover is Wikipedia and that THEY (whomever they is) merged the Passover and First Day of Unleavened Bread together. Got some scripture for that?

Is it THEY that alos gave you the Good Friday, Ishtar Sunday fable?
 

john832

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Hi john832:

I was actually responding to RachelBibleStudent's comment:
scripture doesn't say -anything- about seventy-two hours...that is a modern -assumption- about what 'three days and three nights' meant...an assumption that turns out to be false...

Thanks for the info . . . it just backs up the 24 hour day/night :)
Well the three days and three nights is in Mat 12:39-40. We also have...

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

within three days.

Mat 17:23 And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.

on the third day

Mat 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

after three days

The only period of time that can fit these three different descriptions is exactly three days and we know that a day is an evening and a morning.
 

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While I respect that many Christians are legitimately celebrating the death and resurrection of our Savior, and His resurrection is certainly something to be celebrated, Easter IS NOT Biblical.

It was never done or taught in the Bible.
The Disciples never did.
Jesus never did.

It's not Biblical.

At least Passover is in the Bible, and Jesus and the disciples celebrated it.
We celebrate many secular holidays that aren't mentioned in the Bible. Birthdays, Memorial Day, 4th of July, etc. These are all holidays that celebrate humans and our achievements. What's wrong with a holiday, based upon biblical concepts such as the crucifixion and resurrection, that celebrates God rather than humans? Bringing up Ishtar doesn't really make any sense because nobody is using this holiday to worship Ishtar. Instead they are using it to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I don't really understand the problem here. Yes, Easter isn't mentioned in the Bible. However what it celebrates is central to our faith: the resurrection of Christ.
 
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It is quite itelling that your authority for which day is Passover is Wikipedia and that THEY (whomever they is) merged the Passover and First Day of Unleavened Bread together. Got some scripture for that?

Is it THEY that alos gave you the Good Friday, Ishtar Sunday fable?
[h=4]Saturday, April 06, 14th of Nisan, 4770[/h]4/6/1010 Fri, 14th of Nisan, 4770
4/6/1010 Fri, Erev Pesach


4/7/1010 Sat, 15th of Nisan, 4770
4/7/1010 Sat, Pesach I

Jewish Holidays for 1010

Probably the busiest and most hectic day of the year in every Jewish household is Erev Pesach, the day preceding Passover, for it entails getting rid of the last smidgen of chametz as well as preparing for the Seder.

Erev Pesach On Shabbat
 
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It is quite itelling that your authority for which day is Passover is Wikipedia and that THEY (whomever they is) merged the Passover and First Day of Unleavened Bread together. Got some scripture for that?
Deuteronomy 16
1Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night. 2Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there. 3Thou shalt eat no leavened bread with it; seven days shalt thou eat unleavened bread therewith, even the bread of affliction; for thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt in haste: that thou mayest remember the day when thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt all the days of thy life

can you read?
 
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It is quite itelling that your authority for which day is Passover is Wikipedia and that THEY (whomever they is) merged the Passover and First Day of Unleavened Bread together. Got some scripture for that?

Is it THEY that alos gave you the Good Friday, Ishtar Sunday fable?
you sound just like this cult.

Herbert W. Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God


The Worldwide Church of God owes its beginning to Herbert W. Armstrong, who like many cult leaders claims to be the only one capable of correctly interpreting scripture.

http://www.cs.uni-potsdam.de/ti/kreitz/Christian/Cults/5.armstrong.pdf