Grace is Unmerited Favor. Where's that in the Bible?

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JesusIsAll

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#61
King James Version: Rom 3:24 "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"

So one does not have to be CONDITIONALLY in Christ to be freely justified, or redeemed?
Whatever you're saying may or may not have merit, when one figures out just what you're saying. Do you need to know how to be saved?
 
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Angelique

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#62
Can we go back to the kosher dill?? That made more sense than strings on unwrapped gifts!!!
 

crossnote

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#63
Boxing and wrapping a gift to give is strained???
I am talking about boxed and wrapped gifts. It takes work to unwrap and unbox......but the gift is still not earned.
A gift is a gift whether it is wrapped or not...obfuscating.
 
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JesusIsAll

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#64
I found this good prayer for salvation, the only condition a desire to repent from sin, the ways of selfish evil and death, and come to Jesus Christ for salvation, call upon Him, to born a child of God, by the work of His Holy Spirit,

Heavenly Father, have mercy on me, a sinner. I believe in you and that your word is true. I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God and that he died on the cross so that I may now have forgiveness for my sins and eternal life. I know that without you in my heart my life is meaningless.

I believe in my heart that you, Lord God, raised Him from the dead. Please Jesus forgive me, for every sin I have ever committed or done in my heart, please Lord Jesus forgive me and come into my heart as my personal Lord and Savior today. I need you to be my Father and my friend.

I give you my life and ask you to take full control from this moment on; I pray this in the name of Jesus Christ.

Amen.

When we accept Jesus Christ, we receive the Holy Spirit, who will guide you into a deeper faith. Nothing complicated.
 
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psychomom

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#65
i will say this...

salvation IS by Works.

just not ours!
 
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JesusIsAll

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#66
Can we go back to the kosher dill?? That made more sense than strings on unwrapped gifts!!!
Dem dills, mercy I dun' ferget! Wuz a wonderin' iffin' y'alls coood be tellin' me how ah gets mah 40 cent back, iffin' ah alreddy et 'em all? Seein' 'bout dis heer grace, h'aint no wurks impressin' 'o God reemorse dill pickill gairanteee, or sumpin'?
 
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Angelique

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Dem dills, mercy I dun' ferget! Wuz a wonderin' iffin' y'alls coood be tellin' me how ah gets mah 40 cent back, iffin' ah alreddy et 'em all? Seein' 'bout dis heer grace, h'aint no wurks impressin' 'o God reemorse dill pickill gairanteee, or sumpin'?
I bet when you was a child you got called speshul....lol
 
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JesusIsAll

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#68
I bet when you was a child you got called speshul....lol
Pert near, dey allways sayin' ah gots a speshul berain, dat I's mentlee challinged. Tho I don' do no braggin'.
 

Elin

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Pert near, dey allways sayin' ah gots a speshul berain, dat I's mentlee challinged. Tho I don' do no braggin'.
Thanks, guys, for the relief!

I think it's double funny to me because I don't have the ability for it.
 
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JesusIsAll

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#71
Thanks, guys, for the relief!

I think it's double funny to me because I don't have the ability for it.
Always welcome, Idiots R Us at your service...
 
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Angelique

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#75
Does Amanda have a coupon for kosher dill??..
 
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JesusIsAll

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#76
or, as my friend Amanda says, misery doesn't love company...

it demands it! lol
I only find it a problem when me or myself start behaving in a borderline narcissistic fashion, and times like these I just go off and ponder CC threads in a monastic mode, monumental questions like who killed Goliath or whether Mary was the biological mother of Jesus.
 
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JesusIsAll

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#77
Goliath is dead??? Why didnt anyone tell me
According to some investigative work on CC, it's a cold case. You're probably not in a gossipy enough circle to hear all the speculation. I had also thought him dead, by a guy named David, until learning on CC that it was Colonel Mustard in the pantry, even implications of God's involvement. I'm thinking it will be an upcoming Dateline Mystery, once they round up all the usual suspects, sans God.
 
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Angelique

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According to some investigative work on CC, it's a cold case. You're probably not in a gossipy enough circle to hear all the speculation. I had also thought him dead, by a guy named David, until learning on CC that it was Colonel Mustard in the pantry, even implications of God's involvement. I'm thinking it will be an upcoming Dateline Mystery, once they round up all the usual suspects, sans God.
Pantry?????? Lol .. giggles. They didnt get the kosher dill too?

Gossipy circle?? Naaa.. I stick to being square..then I can stand in the corner.
 
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Karraster

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#79
Every good gift we have from God is a result of His grace on account of Jesus Christ.
Can someone list a biblical example where grace is merited (earned)?...sounds like an oxymoron to me.
Study to show thyself approved brother. If Grace is most accurately described as unmerited favor (God is good to us even though we don't deserve it), then why was Grace upon our Messiah? Luke 2:40 And the Child grew and became strong in spirit, filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.
Are you fully prepared to say that grace was upon our Messiah even though He didn't deserve it?
 
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Karraster

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#80
That is incorrect.

You are viewing salvation in the context of a package you receive instead of being the result of an active dynamic which produces a manifest result.

In other words you perceive salvation as reaching a destination without using the engine in your car to get there.

When Paul says we are "saved by grace through faith" he is speaking of the "working dynamic" that produces a genuine salvation. He is not speaking of some package which God gives you because you accept it.

The grace of God that brings salvation is this...

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

In other words this grace is God's divine influence upon our heart, it is the leading of God drawing us. If you look up the Greek definition of grace you will find listed "divine influence upon the heart."

Now faith is when we yield wholeheartedly yield to that divine influence upon the heart (Jesus taught we must be DOERS and not only hearers). That is why faith in Hebrews 11 is connected to action, by faith Abraham left his abode, by faith Noah built the Ark. In other words faith is where we wholeheartedly trust in God and therefore yield to His instruction, we become DOERS of the word.

It is through the active dynamic of "grace THROUGH faith" that the salvation of the soul is wrought. If this dynamic does not exist then faith is received in vain. That is why Paul wrote...

2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

There must be a "working together with God" in order to be "made the righteousness of God in Him."

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The false teachers have removed this dynamic from the Gospel and thus preach the perception of salvation absent the means to get there. Thus salvation is twisted into being purely forensic or positional. Thus salvation is twisted to be inclusive of ongoing iniquity within the heart.

Paul spoke of grace in...

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

The quickening is key, for that is the washing of regeneration by the Spirit of God whereby we are made alive to God once more. It involves a total transformation from darkness to light.

Very few people are being quickened today because biblical repentance has been subverted. People do not crucify their old man in repentance and thus the rebellion never ceases and therefore they never exercise true faith, thus they cannot be saved by grace through faith. Instead they are deceived into believing that faith is just trust and that grace is the free gift, if they therefore trust in the free gift and accept it they think they are saved. It's a deception because NOTHING has changed in the heart.

Now I am sure most people will not want to take very seriously what I have written but I would warn you to seriously think about it. When one is deceived they do not know it and that is why deception works. If you are deceived you will not know it and the wall to break through that deception is often very difficult.

Think about it please.
Brother I couldn't agree more. Thank you, very well said. blessings~k