Hades - in the spiritual realm or the physical?
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Depends on which reality itself you are trying to apply it to. On the "Flat Earth Theory" and accompanying models such a thing as Hades wouldn't seem so out of the ordinary or impossible. With the accepted Globe Earth model you could have Hades in the "hot core" area, but aren't all planets suppose to have hot cores and all that?
"Sheol" is the Hebrew word for Hades according to Google.
"Sheol" is the Hebrew word for Hades according to Google.
Hades is one of four words improperly translated into hell from the original languages of Hebrew and Greek. In Greek, as Sheol in Hebrew, Hades is the general term for the place of the dead. The Greek had another word for "grave" used specifically. This was mnemeion, as in --
So it is definitely established that the Holy Spirit uses the word Hades as an equivalent for Sheol. And the Septuagint (Greek translation of Old Testament) uses the word Hades throughout for Sheol. So whatever Sheol means, so we are to understand Hades.
Hades in Greek, has just the same primary meaning as Sheol in Hebrew and "hell" in English. It is derived, according to the lexicons, from eidon, "to see," with the prefix a, meaning "not," therefore it means "not seen," or "unseen."
All 11 passages where Hades occurs are consistent with the meaning of Sheol -- the universal hidden resting place of all the dead, and none give any possible suggestion of, or support to, the orthodox ideas of hell, except one, Luke 16:23, the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus.
This is the only instance, of all the 76 occurrences of Sheol and Hades, that gives any hint of consciousness or torment, and Christ is speaking in parables, and is using a popular superstition to confound its own supporters.
In Rev. 20:13-14, we learn that Hades ("hell" in our version) is to be "cast into the lake of fire." To the orthodox conception, this presents an absurd paradox. To them, Hades IS hell, and the lake of fire is hell, therefore hell is going to be cast into hell, and that will be the end of hell -- how then can hell be eternal? And what is the hell that hell is cast into in order to destroy hell?
But in the true Scriptural picture there is harmony and reason. Hades is the grave and the lake of fire is a symbol of everlasting destruction. As the final glorious conclusion, death and the grave, the signs and inseparable accompaniments of this mortal dispensation, are to be abolished, destroyed, consumed. Paul says similarly (1 Cor. 15:26) --
Death and Hades (the grave) will have followed all other traces of mortality and evil into eternal oblivion. THIS is Hades (the grave) being cast into the lake of fire -- completely consumed and obliterated.
Paul says later in the same chapter (1 Cor. 15:54) --
But death and the grave DO claim them, but they do not eternally prevail over them. At his return, he will use these keys, and all whom he calls from the graves will come forth (John 5:28) just as he called Lazarus from the grave and he came forth. To this Paul refers when he says (1 Cor. 15:55-57) --
- "Jesus therefore cometh to the grave -- mnemeion" (John 11:38).
- "The graves -- mnemeion -- were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose" (Matt. 27:52).
So it is definitely established that the Holy Spirit uses the word Hades as an equivalent for Sheol. And the Septuagint (Greek translation of Old Testament) uses the word Hades throughout for Sheol. So whatever Sheol means, so we are to understand Hades.
Hades in Greek, has just the same primary meaning as Sheol in Hebrew and "hell" in English. It is derived, according to the lexicons, from eidon, "to see," with the prefix a, meaning "not," therefore it means "not seen," or "unseen."
All 11 passages where Hades occurs are consistent with the meaning of Sheol -- the universal hidden resting place of all the dead, and none give any possible suggestion of, or support to, the orthodox ideas of hell, except one, Luke 16:23, the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus.
This is the only instance, of all the 76 occurrences of Sheol and Hades, that gives any hint of consciousness or torment, and Christ is speaking in parables, and is using a popular superstition to confound its own supporters.
In Rev. 20:13-14, we learn that Hades ("hell" in our version) is to be "cast into the lake of fire." To the orthodox conception, this presents an absurd paradox. To them, Hades IS hell, and the lake of fire is hell, therefore hell is going to be cast into hell, and that will be the end of hell -- how then can hell be eternal? And what is the hell that hell is cast into in order to destroy hell?
But in the true Scriptural picture there is harmony and reason. Hades is the grave and the lake of fire is a symbol of everlasting destruction. As the final glorious conclusion, death and the grave, the signs and inseparable accompaniments of this mortal dispensation, are to be abolished, destroyed, consumed. Paul says similarly (1 Cor. 15:26) --
- "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
Death and Hades (the grave) will have followed all other traces of mortality and evil into eternal oblivion. THIS is Hades (the grave) being cast into the lake of fire -- completely consumed and obliterated.
Paul says later in the same chapter (1 Cor. 15:54) --
- "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
- "Upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
- "I have the keys of Hades and of death" (Rev. 1:18).
But death and the grave DO claim them, but they do not eternally prevail over them. At his return, he will use these keys, and all whom he calls from the graves will come forth (John 5:28) just as he called Lazarus from the grave and he came forth. To this Paul refers when he says (1 Cor. 15:55-57) --
- "O Death, where is thy sting? O Grave, where is thy victory? . . .
- "Thanks be to God who giveth us the victory through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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I don't want to hijack the purpose of this thread with controversy.
1. The perception of where you live is very important, and with lies you can deceive and manipulate as well as discredit the credible. Many Atheists I interact with and myself when I was an atheist mock the author of The Bible for describing a flat earth or old world perception of the universe.
2. You can fly over the North Pole on the Flat Earth Model too
1. The perception of where you live is very important, and with lies you can deceive and manipulate as well as discredit the credible. Many Atheists I interact with and myself when I was an atheist mock the author of The Bible for describing a flat earth or old world perception of the universe.
2. You can fly over the North Pole on the Flat Earth Model too
The verse that speaks of hades and death being thrown into the lake fire caught my attention, I understand it was used to speak of hell but it's strange how the wording is used in the scripture itself. The way it's written it is almost as if hades and death were being referred to as if they were actual beings, i mean how do you throw a spiritual place and a life ending happening into a realm of fire?
From my understanding hell is a place within the spiritual realm just as heaven is also a place within the spiritual realm, that being said very few have ever been to the spiritual realm or even seen heaven or hell. But what about death and hades? I know in mythology hades was the keeper of hell or the God of death and torture and the bible speaks of hades but not as an actual being if i am correctly remembering. However death is spoken of as an actual being in the bible like when death took the lives of every first born in egypt when god sent all the plagues to make Pharoh submit
From my understanding hell is a place within the spiritual realm just as heaven is also a place within the spiritual realm, that being said very few have ever been to the spiritual realm or even seen heaven or hell. But what about death and hades? I know in mythology hades was the keeper of hell or the God of death and torture and the bible speaks of hades but not as an actual being if i am correctly remembering. However death is spoken of as an actual being in the bible like when death took the lives of every first born in egypt when god sent all the plagues to make Pharoh submit
That was an angel of death.
Edit: it is actually the Lord:
When the LORD goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.
Edit: it is actually the Lord:
When the LORD goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.
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How I understand it is that death, and the grave, are destroyed in the lake of fire... because death is the consequence of sin, and sin is eliminated in the new heavens and earth... only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life (via faith) pass from death into life ever after. All else pass into the second death, which is the eternal punishment promised the unbelieving.
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So we don't have the GPS coordinates yet then??..
Although I did get an email regarding Hades from one disgruntled member:
Although I did get an email regarding Hades from one disgruntled member: