Harry Potter -- Reality Or Just Fantasy? Or Both?!

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HARRY POTTER -- REALITY OR JUST FANTASY? OR BOTH?!

Title: Harry Potter -- Reality Or Just Fantasy? Or Both?!

Subtitle: Once you understand Satanism, you will realize you have been lied to by the defenders of Harry Potter books. :eek: You will also realize the enormity of the false statement by Chuck Colson that "no contact is made with the supernatural" world.

As I began researching the craze over the Harry Potter books, I searched the Internet for pro-Potter sites. Two major defense themes of these sites were that Potter fell under the category of Free Speech and should not be "censored" in any way, and that Potter was simply "Fantasy" and therefore, harmless. Several Christian ministries picked this latter defense up quite readily, beginning with Chuck Colson stating that the magic saturating the Potter books was all right and not harmful, because it was just mechanical magic [like card tricks and illusions], and that no contact was made with the supernatural world.

Christianity Today picked up this quote and used it in an article they entitled, "Why We Like Harry Potter". Focus On The Family repeated Colson's quote, and used it to deliver a conditional acceptance of Harry Potter, even though they spent considerable time and effort exposing its blatant Witchcraft and expressing concern over it. Focus On The Family based its conditional acceptance of Harry Potter squarely on the un-Biblical concept inherent in the New Evangelical notion that a Christian needs to be like the world to win the world for Jesus Christ [Read NEWS1388 for full explanation]. Focus basically concluded that a Christian needs to read Harry Potter in order to be able to speak with relevance to the unsaved who are reading it.

FANTASY VERSUS REALITY TO A SATANIST

One of the most common themes of these pro-Potter sites is that the blatant, bold, and bodacious advanced Witchcraft that literally fills these novels is not harmful, because it is just a story. Potter books are not Reality, they are Fantasy. As Fantasy, they pose no threat to anyone who reads them, even to the most enthusiastic. Because the stories are just Fantasy, they will not cause anyone to actually go into Witchcraft.

Of course, that explanation does not seem to fit with the pictures to which we were subjected showing youngsters from ages 8 and up, dressing like Witches and Wizards, having thunderbolts drawn in the middle of their foreheads, and emulating Harry and his friends as much as possible. This activity, we are told, is still just Fantasy, so we are not to worry.

During most debates today, neither side seems alert enough to ensure that definitions of key words are identical on both sides of the debate. A Communist's great advantage in any debate is that they had secretly changed the meanings of key words, and very few people are any the wiser. For example, 'peace' to most Westerners is the absence of war or limited conflict; but, the Communist definition of peace is the complete obedience of every citizen to the dictatorial rule of the Party. If a person was not willing to subject himself to such obedience, the Communist Party would show that citizen the ultimate 'peace', the 'peace' of the grave; this fact is one of the key reasons Communism kills so many people when they take over a country.

There are so many more examples of this word redefinition process that books have been written on the subject. It is too bad that they are all out of print, now that Communism has officially failed.

With this concept firmly entrenched in our minds, let us examine the word redefinition that has occurred with the Harry Potter books. Defenders of Potter say that no one should worry about the Witchcraft in these books, since they are only 'Fantasy', and not Reality. And, kids as young as 8 years old are supposedly sophisticated enough to know the difference. Even Christian ministries are getting in on this theme. As we noted in NEWS1377, Chuck Colson boldly states that the Witchcraft in Potter is not real, and that no contact is made with the supernatural world. Christianity Today, in their article, "Why We Like Harry Potter", quotes Chuck Colson and says that the Witchcraft is simply another example of "literary device". No one seems to remember that was one of the defenses made a couple decades ago about Pornography. Even Focus On The Family stated that the Potter Witchcraft was just Fantasy, as we have already noted, above.

Since so many Potter defenders are singing exactly the same tune, I consider it highly likely that someone involved in the publishing and promotion of the Harry Potter books originated this theme, and passed it down the ranks. Certainly, all major news networks are singing this tune, and too many Christians are too accepting of it. Truly, we are at the End of the Age, of which Jesus spoke in Matthew 24, where He warned on three occasions within that chapter, not to be deceived by the unparalleled deception that would characterize the Kingdom of Antichrist. Are you this deceived today? Are your spiritual eyes open enough to see the truth once it is presented to you? If you are, then please see and listen.

The average person on the street in America today will define "fantasy" as "make-believe", or "pretend". Indeed, my Tormont Webster's Illustrated Encyclopedic Dictionary defines "fantasy" thusly: "The realm of vivid imagination ... illusion ... make-believe". This concept is deeply rooted in the mind of the average person of the Western world, so that when he or she is told that Harry Potter is just make-believe, this average person relaxes their guard dramatically, and feels falsely assured.

However, the Satanist and any person practicing the occult has a far different definition of the word, "fantasy". They believe that the Fantasy World is just as real as this dimension in which we live, work, and play. They consider the Fantasy World to be just another dimension, a dimension of which only they are aware.

Further, the occultist believes the Fantasy dimension is more exciting, and more adventurous, than the real world. This fact is depicted best in the extremely occultic [and Satanic] movie, "The Wizard of Oz". When Dorothy is in her real world in Kansas, the picture is a bland black and white; however, when she steps into the next dimension, her Fantasy World, the picture is a vivid color, and everything Dorothy does is far more exciting than in her real world. While Dorothy, who is a White Magic Witch, has to battle with the Black Magic Witches whom she encounters, she is shown to be triumphant. You see, this entire television and movie concept of "good always triumphing over evil" is nothing more, nor less, than the Satanic concept of White Magic Witchcraft triumphing over Black Magick Witchcraft.

Most occultists deeply desire to spend more and more time in their Fantasy World . They can travel there through Astral Travel, in which their soul actually leaves their body to go into the next dimension; of course, a demonic spirit must remain in the body to keep it from dying, as it will when it has no spirit. The Bible speaks to this fact most clearly; in Genesis 25:8, God describes Abraham's death in this manner: "Then Abraham's spirit was released , and he died ..." [Parallel Bible, KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary].

Of course, a person that practices Astral Travel is demonically possessed. The spirit that stays behind to keep the human body alive is the spirit(s) possessing that Satanist.

Occultists can also enhance their entry into the Fantasy World through drugs, especially the hallucinogenic variety. These drugs are so effective in transporting a person through the Fantasy World that they are highly sought after by occultists. However, these hallucinogenic drugs also debilitate the mind so much that the Illuminati forbids any of its members from taking them.

Occultists can also enter their Fantasy World through advanced visualization. Children are being taught Visualization techniques through Public Schools, sometimes as far down as First Grade under the guise of relaxation techniques during recess. Now, you know the ultimate end such satanic practices can bring a person.

Do not be deceived; this Fantasy World is the supernatural world of the demonic. While in this dimension the spirit of the Satanist is thoroughly deceived by the demonic host, by being given a counterfeit experience that is truly blessed, and very satisfying. The entire experience of the Fantasy World occurs in the supernatural [demonic] realm.

ENTERING THE FANTASY WORLD IN HARRY POTTER

The entire Hogwarts School of Wizardry and Witchcraft takes place in the Fantasy World! Therefore, over 90% of each Harry Potter book occurs in the supernatural [demonic] realm! :eek: Now can you see how monstrous the false information Chuck Colson has just given Christian parents, when he assures them that no contact is made with the supernatural realm!

J.K. Rowling makes use of a very simple device to describe the portal into which a Witch and Wizard can leave the Muggles world of Reality, and enter the Fantasy World of Witchcraft. Let us turn to the second book of the series, Chamber of Secrets to see how entering the portal into the Fantasy World is accomplished.

'Harry had caught the Hogwarts Express the previous year. The tricky part was getting onto platform nine and three quarters, which wasn't visible to the Muggle eye. What you had to do was walk through the solid barrier dividing platforms nine and ten. It didn't hurt, but it had to be done carefully so that none of the Muggles noticed you vanishing."

" 'Percy first,' said Mr. Weasley, looking around at the clock overhead, which showed they had only five minutes to disappear casually through the barrier. Percy strode briskly forward and vanished. Mr. Weasley went next; Fred and George followed." [p. 67]

Just like that, these Witches and Wizards of the Weasley family, plus Harry Potter, vanished into the Portal separating the Real World from the Fantasy World. They literally traveled astrally, and spent the next nine months in the Fantasy World, in which Hogwarts School of Wizardry and Witchcraft was located. The only "poetic license" Rowling takes in this scenario is that she does not leave the physical body behind while the spirit is moving and living in the Fantasy World; she takes the entire body and soul into the Fantasy World. But, this is the only differentiation she makes. Every other detail is perfectly in sync with the occult practice of entering into the Fantasy Dimension. Therefore, over 90% of any Harry Potter book occurs in the realm of the supernatural .

How, then, can Chuck Colson give a bold assurance to Christian parents that it is just fine for their kids to read Harry Potter because no contact is ever made with the supernatural world? Of all factors in investigative journalism, establishing motive is the most difficult, and I am not about to start in this instance. However, you now know the truth -- all the activities occurring in the Hogwarts School of Wizardry and Witchcraft occur in the Fantasy Realm of the Occult.

Truly, we are the time of the age of which Jesus warned in Matthew 24. On three different occasions, He warned against deception. Listen:

Matthew 24:3-4 -- "While He was seated on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately and said, 'Tell us, when will this take place, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?' Jesus answered them, 'Be careful that no misleads you (deceiving you and leading you into error')." I find this exchange highly instructive; the disciples asked Jesus for THE sign of His coming and of the accompanying End of the Age. However, Jesus gave them many signs, from verses 4-32. When a person gives a complex answer to any question, he is likely to prioritize the answers, beginning with the most important. In this case, the first sign Jesus gave was to warn of the unparalleled deception of the Christian believer. THE hallmark characteristic of the End of the Age is unparalleled deception .

Matthew 24:11 -- "And many false prophets will rise up and deceive and lead many into error." We should expect false "Christian" leaders to arise, to give false assurances to Christians and lead them astray. The fact that we are seeing such a huge number of just such false leaders calling themselves "Christian" is proof positive that we are living in the Last Days of Time.

Matthew 24:24 -- "For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect." [All above quotes from Parallel Bible, KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary]
 
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Fiction is evil. Kill the imagination, die, die, die!
 

Hizikyah

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this is all a part of the normalization of evil, to make it accpeted in every household and mind. There has also been an major increse of satanic symbolisim in cartoons, movies, commercials, music, etc, it is to subconsciously get people comfortable with it, and then more and more fill the earth with it. It is even in christian music.

And a big part of it are these pastors admit some like Potter or a certian holiday is pagan, but that its ok. People listen to their pastors and this basically sears people's consciousness with a hot iron, you know, "i know its wrong but I still do it" kind of thing.

terrible.
 
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It's always great to hear people who've never read the books tell those of us who have, how evil they are. The Harry Potter books are great storytelling and are a fun story of friendship and the power of sacrificial love. Witchcraft is evil though, but the magic in Harry Potter is the magic of fairy tales, nothing more. The one instance of real magic is performed by the main villain and he's never glamourised. He's always seen as doing great evil. He's not celebrated. There's even a class called "Defence Against the Dark Arts".
 
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(Deuteronomy 18:9-13) 9“When you are entered into the land that your God is giving you, you must not learn to do according to the detestable things of those nations. 10 There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer, 11or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12 For everybody doing these things is something detestable to God, and on account of these detestable things Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you. 13You should prove yourself faultless with your God....... God has not changed.
 
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One - a believer should have discernment, and should be able to come to their own conclusion about the matter
Two - if a pagan is all about harry potter, their blind, of course.
Three - don't try to take a particular sin you don't like, and make a pagan do it, lest you become a pharasee - preach the Gospel to them, if God should grant them repentance, then the Holy Spirit will convict about those books
 

Hizikyah

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It's always great to hear people who've never read the books tell those of us who have, how evil they are. The Harry Potter books are great storytelling and are a fun story of friendship and the power of sacrificial love. Witchcraft is evil though, but the magic in Harry Potter is the magic of fairy tales, nothing more. The one instance of real magic is performed by the main villain and he's never glamourised. He's always seen as doing great evil. He's not celebrated. There's even a class called "Defence Against the Dark Arts".
I have not read Potter but i can say that any book where any kind of magic is performed is uestionable, and any one getting power not from Yahweh is certianly dangerous.

Also I think satan works in this manner, apperaring harmless just to get its foot in the door, then can later lead to worse things.

Look at the ninja turtles, I grew up watching that cartoon, turtles are the slowest silliest things, but in a cartoon they are violent ninjas. When i got older I liked martial arts and boxing also, im not saying those things or knowing how to defend yourself is evil, but just showing how things in our childhood can shape who we are and what we are interested in.

Witchcract is much more dangerous than *most topics, so I particularly am wary of anything with magic, etc
 
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I have not read Potter but i can say that any book where any kind of magic is performed is questionable, and any one getting power not from Yahweh is certainly dangerous.

Also I think satan works in this manner, appearing harmless just to get its foot in the door, then can later lead to worse things.

Look at the ninja turtles, I grew up watching that cartoon, turtles are the slowest silliest things, but in a cartoon they are violent ninjas. When i got older I liked martial arts and boxing also, im not saying those things or knowing how to defend yourself is evil, but just showing how things in our childhood can shape who we are and what we are interested in.

Witchcraft is much more dangerous than *most topics, so I particularly am wary of anything with magic, etc
Oh, I could easily tell you hadn't read the series. As for witchcraft, I'm totally against the sort forbidden in the Bible, but that's not the kind in HP. The Bible describes some magical practices, real magic, not the fairytale kind. It doesn't encourage the reader to perform the magic, it describes such things to help tell the story. If you're going to be consistent, you might need to throw out your Bible, since you find it questionable.

I'm a big believer in being discerning and using critical thinking, I'm also a committed Christian.
 
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It is too bad that they are all out of print, now that Communism has officially failed.
Wait. You have a communist president of the most powerful nation on Earth, and communism has officially failed? :D I thought the world had mostly been communised, but under a different name so most people didn't notice.

However, these hallucinogenic drugs also debilitate the mind so much that the Illuminati forbids any of its members from taking them.
I don't disagree with the gist of the article, but this sentence made me smile. I wonder how the Illuminati forbids its members from taking the drugs... Perhaps its only official, card-carrying Illuminati members that are forbidden the drugs, but their underlings, (e.g. Council on Foreign Relations members, Bill Gates, Barry from Kenya, George Jr. etc.) are not subject to the same prohibitions?
 

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Wait. You have a communist president of the most powerful nation on Earth, and communism has officially failed? :D I thought the world had mostly been communised, but under a different name so most people didn't notice.

I don't disagree with the gist of the article, but this sentence made me smile. I wonder how the Illuminati forbids its members from taking the drugs... Perhaps its only official, card-carrying Illuminati members that are forbidden the drugs, but their underlings, (e.g. Council on Foreign Relations members, Bill Gates, Barry from Kenya, George Jr. etc.) are not subject to the same prohibitions?
Mussolini said communisim should actually be called corpratisim. I myself view communisim/Socialism/Facisim/Corpratisim as pretty much the same.

Yeah my understanding was all the puppets are put through drug induced brain washing sessions. Like MK Ultra...
 
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Fiction is evil. Kill the imagination, die, die, die!

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


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Hizikyah

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??? wait till you see Bill Clinton here. odd. wow.

President Clinton's father was killed in a car accident shortly before he was born. His mother remarried in 1950 and he was adopted by his step-father. He was governor of Arkansas, and US president

Just happened to be adopted by one of the 13 "bloodlines"

Bill Clinton - BRAINWASHED PUPPET ! - YouTube
 
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I'm totally against witchcraft but portraying it in fiction as evil, as something to fight against, I believe that's commendable. It's when witchcraft is seen as something good, then there's real issues. And no, in Harry Potter, you're either born or not born with the magical abilities, you can't just learn the practices like in the real occult world. Also, HP magic is very different to witchcraft.
 
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I once worked with someone who bore an uncanny resemblance to Harry. So I will have to say reality, if not aspects of both fantasy and reality.
 
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I'm totally against witchcraft but portraying it in fiction as evil, as something to fight against, I believe that's commendable. It's when witchcraft is seen as something good, then there's real issues.
Equivocating magic with spiritual warfare might qualify. :eek:
There's even a class called "Defence Against the Dark Arts". In our world that would be called "Spiritual Warfare".

And no, in Harry Potter, you're either born or not born with the magical abilities, you can't just learn the practices like in the real occult world. Also, HP magic is very different to witchcraft.
HP magic, it looks like California.

Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

pharmakos: a poisoner, sorcerer, magician
Original Word: φάρμακος, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: pharmakos
Phonetic Spelling: (far-mak-os')
Short Definition: a magician, sorcerer
Definition: a magician, sorcerer.

Cognate: 5333 phármakos – properly, a sorcerer; used of people using drugs and "religious incantations" to drug people into living by their illusions – like having magical (supernatural) powers to manipulate God into giving them more temporal possessions.

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It's always great to hear people who've never read the books tell those of us who have, how evil they are. The Harry Potter books are great storytelling and are a fun story of friendship and the power of sacrificial love.
Hear, hear!

A niece, when she was sixteen (now she's twenty-four) loaned me the first book and made me promise to read it. I did as requested and when I finished it ran out and purchased each sequel in quick succession. I've now read the series through twice. They are wonderful books. I can't imagine anyone thinking otherwise. They are everything you've stated.
 
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Hmm, I see people in this topic who have a hard time separating reality from fictional entertainment. But perhaps those people are right, perhaps they should stay away from that stuff. For those of us who can discern the difference between reality and fantasy entertainment (harry potter), knock yourself out.
 
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Thanks, Cycel.
My favourites are Book 3 - The Prisoner of Azkaban, Book 4 - The Goblet of Fire, Book 6 - The Half-Blood Prince. But my absolute favourite is Book 7 - The Deathly Hallows. Book 5 - The Order of the Phoenix, is very good but takes quite a bit to get going and is also rather angsty. Book 1 - The Philosopher's Stone is enjoyable but a bit simple and Book 2 - The Chamber of Secrets, is very similar but the last third is rather good.

My absolute favourites though are Books 3 and 7.
 
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It's complete fantasy.

And with good morals, too.

Always be friendly, trust in others, be brave, don't bully people, LOVE.

I don't see how we accept Shakespeare (Macbeth), Tolkien (LotR) and CS Lewis (Narnia), but think JK Rowling is possessed by the Devil...
 

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Harry Potter the movie, full of demons, a whole hive of them.

Harry Potter the book, if it was approved by GOD it would have been hated by many not loved by them. and JK rolling got a sell out if am not mistaken


The world will always hate those who speak of truth, holiness and righteousness.
Yes it will always hate us, why? because CHRISTs Word has no place in them but it has been kept in us..!!..