Have you sinned on CC today?

[p_rehbein]

No..........BUT I just have started reading the BDF.......so, I suspect it is just a matter of time........

 

[Prov910]

Question: Are all Christian message boards contentious and argumentative?

I ask this because I'm not familiar with Christian message boards aside from CC. I did belong to a very small Christian message board several years back, where I made a couple hundred posts over the course of about a year. On that message board the members were quite civil to each other in every forum *except* the Christianity forum. When it came to talking about God and the bible they were every bit as argumentative as what I've seen in the BDF.

OTOH, I've also been a member of a couple different sports message boards over the years. In general the sports message boards were much more civil than what I've seen in the BDF. I kid you not! I find this odd because at church and bible study the people are always so nice. Is it the anonymity of the Internet that makes people act like this?

 

[FlSnookman7]

Question: Are all Christian message boards contentious and argumentative?

I ask this because I'm not familiar with Christian message boards aside from CC. I did belong to a very small Christian message board several years back, where I made a couple hundred posts over the course of about a year. On that message board the members were quite civil to each other in every forum *except* the Christianity forum. When it came to talking about God and the bible they were every bit as argumentative as what I've seen in the BDF.

OTOH, I've also been a member of a couple different sports message boards over the years. In general the sports message boards were much more civil than what I've seen in the BDF. I kid you not! I find this odd because at church and bible study the people are always so nice. Is it the anonymity of the Internet that makes people act like this?

I think it wise to remember that it's entirely possible that non Christians come here merely to cause strife. What better way to divide than to infiltrate and conquer from within? No matter, because here as everywhere my God is bigger and all powerful and His Word reaches who He wishes it to reach and serves the purpose He intends it to serve.

 

[notuptome]

Some essay analysing a website about dogs.. well it's a dog shelter. If I could write up an essay analysing the many sins in CC that would be much much more interesting

Write about the dumb dogs on here who cannot bark.

Isa 56:10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[seed_time_harvest]

What does sin mean,

Sanctifation In Nothing

sin=transgression of the law.Someone might ask,well,who can be saved because we are all breaking GOD's law?JESUS atoned for us as a man satisfying the demand of the law and now the Issue Is faith for whosoever will,can Inherit eterNal LIFE.

Without JESUS,we have to be perfect physically to Inherit eternal life and no man would be able to do this perfectly because of the weakness of the flesh.

With JESUS ,where we are weak JESUS Is strong.

 

[Depleted]

Okay, so if I understand you correctly, there are times when we leave the judgement to God or Jesus, but there are other times when it's okay for us to take judgement of others into our own hands.

Is that consistent or inconsistent with the passage of Matthew 7 I quoted above?

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I suspect that you get my point—and I'm apparently not going to convince you—so I'll leave it at that with you.

Absolutely agrees! The difference comes with the word "brother." Brother means something. Brother = wheat. It's when not-brother/tare pretend to be brother, it's time to judge.

And judging isn't a bad thing. Parents, teachers, bosses, and we judge all the time. We just do a lousy job with it, if we don't know the person. But "brother." Brother means family connection. In this case, family connection comes straight up from God. And we're asked to love our brother. We treat brother different than neighbor or enemy.

But because we know them. And, if he/she isn't brother, than we treat the person as neighbor or enemy. We're taught to love them too, but in a different way.

I won't let an enemy anywhere near my family until I know he/she is safe around my family. But I will pray for enemy, and will witness, if he/she lets me. If not, all I can do is show the door out and continue to pray that God has mercy on that person. If any time in the future that person is changed by God, then enemy is out and brother is in.

I think that too is a problem on here. Too many want to treat brothers as enemies and too many think we should be trusting enemy, and that is counted as love. That's not love. But if we don't know the difference, the door is revolving to the same chaos as BDF has most of the time.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Yes I did. I watched a halloween documentary and ate peanut butter pumpkins while on CC.

 

[Depleted]

Question: Are all Christian message boards contentious and argumentative?

I ask this because I'm not familiar with Christian message boards aside from CC. I did belong to a very small Christian message board several years back, where I made a couple hundred posts over the course of about a year. On that message board the members were quite civil to each other in every forum *except* the Christianity forum. When it came to talking about God and the bible they were every bit as argumentative as what I've seen in the BDF.

OTOH, I've also been a member of a couple different sports message boards over the years. In general the sports message boards were much more civil than what I've seen in the BDF. I kid you not! I find this odd because at church and bible study the people are always so nice. Is it the anonymity of the Internet that makes people act like this?

LOL I suspect you haven't run into many Philadelphia sports fans!

Besides, no matter how much we love sports, it's not the same thing as loving God. I've been to civilized needlework forums too, but it's assumed everyone knows if you wrap the yarn around the crochet needle, you're not making a single stitch. For some strange reason, arguing over stitches is more common in religion and politics.

 

[NayborBear]

Question: Are all Christian message boards contentious and argumentative?

I ask this because I'm not familiar with Christian message boards aside from CC. I did belong to a very small Christian message board several years back, where I made a couple hundred posts over the course of about a year. On that message board the members were quite civil to each other in every forum *except* the Christianity forum. When it came to talking about God and the bible they were every bit as argumentative as what I've seen in the BDF.

OTOH, I've also been a member of a couple different sports message boards over the years. In general the sports message boards were much more civil than what I've seen in the BDF. I kid you not! I find this odd because at church and bible study the people are always so nice. Is it the anonymity of the Internet that makes people act like this?

Sometimes it is anonymity, that causes people to behave "differently." Sometimes, is things said with fingers, that cannot be said by mouth. (example: John the Baptist's Dad).

Apparently, you have not been at the same Bible studies, that I have attended!...lol

 

[notuptome]

I was on a Pentecostal, full gospel board a while back. They of course banned me when I pressed them on the efficacy of the blood of Christ. They were not interested in the security of the believer.

Sound doctrine often presents an unacceptable level of truth to those who cannot tolerate it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[joaniemarie]

When Jesus said that anyone who is angry has already murdered and anyone looking at another with lust was already committing adultery, He was trying to show the jews that no one could keep the law enough to save themselves. The law's purpose was to lead us to Jesus. Once we are there we no longer have need of the law...

Galatians 3:24-25 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The problem is that in order to trust in Jesus alone for not only our salvation but our righteousness we must put down our ego and pride and have faith in what we can not see. This is a very, very hard thing indeed. In fact many large institutions like the rcc and others realize that we will find this difficult so they play on that to keep people in bondage to them.

We are the righteousness of God in Christ....

2 Corinthians 5:21 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Since the Word says we are the righteousness of God in Christ we then must ask, does God sin? Has God ever sinned? Will God sin at some point in the future?

The entire gospel of Jesus is that we must trust and have faith in the fact that we are who He has made us to be and not the product of our own actions. Thank God we do not reap what we sow when it comes to salvation or Heaven would be empty for all eternity.

So even though I think I sin, it looks like I sin and it feels like I sin God says I am the righteousness of God in Christ. Either what I see, think and feel is mistaken or God is mistaken, hint, it is NOT God who is mistaken. I must then conclude that all the facts I see, think and feel must be wrong as they do not line up with the Word of God. Again, this is such a difficult thing to do that indeed many will be called but few will be chosen.

Here is what God says about those who can not trust in Jesus finished work on the cross....


Romans 10:3-4 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

This is really the meat of the Word so instead of reacting try praying then reading the Word for yourself. Properly divided the bible holds all the answers to any question. Shalom.

This is one of the best posts I've read here in a while. Sure there are good posts written here every day but not on the subject of the righteousness of God in Christ. I'm always interested in hearing about righteousness and what it means to us believers. But it's rarely discussed here on CC sorry to say.

I've been accused of being redundant in my posts about it on a day to day basis. But I can't help it because it's the key to learning how to apply Jesus and His promises and the flowing of the Holy Spirit in our lives as believers. Many Christians are clueless to the truth of who they are in Christ under the new covenant.

They don't know about their righteousness and that it is unlike anything given before the Cross. We got the whole deal when we all got the Holy Spirit. He only came on certain people before the Cross. But now after the cross everything changed. He comes to live in all of us who are in Christ now. But if we don't learn about what these gifts mean., we can walk our whole Christian lives leaving them dormant.

Have you ever heard the saying "what you don't know can kill you" ? People die early for lack of knowledge. God says in Hosea 4:6a [SUP]6 [/SUP]My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge;

You are right Fish., this is the meat of the Word because it forces us to depend on the supernatural Holy Spirit to do for us what we can't do for ourselves in and from our flesh. We are so busy trying to establish ourselves in our own righteousness we won't believe He already gave us 100% righteousness IN Him. We think we are being good but we are being babies trying to strive for something we already have been given.

We are busy trying to live righteously it's like we were given an estate in a will and we hung it on a wall where we can read it every day but never going to the lawyer and cashing in on it. It's all there for us but we fail to utilize it because no one told us it's ours NOW.

Instead we are running around working and praying and crying and sacrificing to make it in life as we fail and falter in poverty of spirit and in the material things too. Our bodies are weak as well.

The Holy Spirit waited a looooong time for me to allow Him in the drivers seat. And even now it's a daily act of faith to let go and let Him lead., guide., direct and teach again and again. This I believe is the tribulation Jesus spoke of. Giving up ourselves daily is a matter of giving up our pride and earthly understanding and allowing the Holy Spirit to take over and bring us into His realm of living by faith and not by sight.

Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit for a reason and many Christians haven't learned about Him either. The flesh is so in our face it's not an easy task to stay in the Spirit if we try to do it by the flesh. And that is why we get NO WHERE and are disappointed.

Now I know why those believers who we all know an love in history who had strong faith and a strong testimony prayed allllllll the time. I understand now why Smith Wigglesworth began praying in tongues as soon as his feet touched the floor when he got out of bed in the morning.

These believers knew the need to follow closely in the Spirit because the world, the flesh and the devil will come at us (in our faces) so our human eyes see only those things that are material. Taking the Bread of life instead of bread for our stomachs. That's a major change.




There was a message on this morning about how the enemy is blinding the minds of them who believe not so that the light of the glorious gospel should shine unto them. 2 Cor. 4:4
4 [SUP]1-6 [/SUP]This is the ministry of the new agreement which God in his mercy has given us and nothing can daunt us. We use no hocus-pocus, no clever tricks, no dishonest manipulation of the Word of God. We speak the plain truth and so commend ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. If our Gospel is “veiled”, the veil must be in the minds of those who are spiritually dying. The spirit of this world has blinded the minds of those who do not believe, and prevents the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ, the image of God, from shining on them. For it is Christ Jesus the Lord whom we preach, not ourselves; we are your servants for his sake. God, who first ordered ‘light to shine in darkness’, has flooded our hearts with his light. We now can enlighten men only because we can give them knowledge of the glory of God, as we see it in the face of Jesus Christ.

This verse is actually discussing the unbeliever but it could also apply to me when I as a clueless., powerless., joyless., graceless., Christian. I refused for many years to learn more about Jesus and His salvation. It seemed logical that no Bible verse could be understood differently than we were taught. No preacher who could tell me more about God the Father., the Son or the Holy Spirit. And if someone challenged me I'd say they were against the Bible.

 

[joaniemarie]

Do you think that is a picture of me, today? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL


Here, Blue, have an iced coffee




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It will help take your mind off the missing chocolate

Wow., that looks so real I could almost lean forward and grab it. It looks much nicer than my reheated in the microwave cup of coffee. here.

 

[Prov910]

I think it wise to remember that it's entirely possible that non Christians come here merely to cause strife. What better way to divide than to infiltrate and conquer from within? No matter, because here as everywhere my God is bigger and all powerful and His Word reaches who He wishes it to reach and serves the purpose He intends it to serve.

I've been thinking about this some more. I DO think non-Christians come here to cause strife. But it looks to me like most of the quibbling is among various denominations of Christians over details of interpretation and doctrine.

Every day I read rude and demeaning posts by CC posters who purport to be Christians. And some of these CC posters I believe might actually be ministers or other members of the clergy.

I suspect that these same CC posters would NEVER consider talking to their friends or co-workers in live conversation in such a rude and demeaning way. But there's something about the anonymity of conversing on the Internet that seems to make their manners disappear. I find this quite surprising. Especially on a Christian message board.

 

[Enow]

Do heated debates in the CC Bible Discussion Forum rise to the level of sin?

In thread after thread we see posters getting upset, demeaning each other, judging each other, and calling each other heretics. Or worse. Generally the disputs are due to disagreement over some particular doctrinal point or interpretation of the bible. (Does anyone else see the irony in this? Bible disagreements leading to sin?)

Is this sort of behavior sinful? A couple of passages from Matthew come to mind:

22. But I say to you that anyone who is angry with a brother will be subjected to judgment. And whoever insults a brother will be brought before the council, and whoever says ‘Fool’ will be sent to fiery hell. (Matthew 5:22)

39. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ (Matthew 22:39)
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Finally: Lest anyone bring this up--I am NOT claiming to be innocent of these things. I've written things that, upon reflection, I regret.

We are not to hate one another, but we are to expose those that teach error, and yet they are to still be seen as His.

Romans 16:[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

I lost my cool when one poster took a statement out of context to a reply to another poster in how that poster said Jesus Christ baptizes with the Holy Ghost and the Holy Ghost baptizes Himself from which I had replied preaching to only receive the Holy Spirit at a later time to that point out of the entire post addressing that but he took that little statement out of context and I was tricked to defend it when it was out of context.

I should have just referred him to the poster I had replied to from which he claimed that no one ever said that, but basically that was what the other poster was claiming is a separate receiving of the Holy Ghost later by the Holy Ghost as being separate and only as by the Holy Ghost doing that baptism.

Anyway, I lost my cool with him and was made to look like a fool and I was, for replying to him for taking me out of context.

I have forgiven him but obviously, I need His help to not continue any discussion with him since obviously he disagrees and is not open to discerning what the Lord has shared with me for him to confirm what has been shared by Him as truth or at the very least, see my cause for concern for him.

 

[Prov910]

We are not to hate one another, but we are to expose those that teach error, and yet they are to still be seen as His.

Romans 16:[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Yeah, the problem is: What is error? One man's doctrine is an man's heresy. Assuming the person in disagreement can point to *some* scripture that could reasonably be interpreted to support their argument, I think the best way to proceed is:

If everyone did the courtesy to the other faction of saying " I think <this> is true because of <abc>" rather than the more dogmatic "<this> is true, because of <abc> so you are wrong!> then the forum would be so much more pleasant!

(I'm quoting a guy from another thread here; See post #2 in this thread.)

I lost my cool when one poster took a statement out of context to a reply to another poster in how that poster said Jesus Christ baptizes with the Holy Ghost and the Holy Ghost baptizes Himself from which I had replied preaching to only receive the Holy Spirit at a later time to that point out of the entire post addressing that but he took that little statement out of context and I was tricked to defend it when it was out of context.

I should have just referred him to the poster I had replied to from which he claimed that no one ever said that, but basically that was what the other poster was claiming is a separate receiving of the Holy Ghost later by the Holy Ghost as being separate and only as by the Holy Ghost doing that baptism.

Anyway, I lost my cool with him and was made to look like a fool and I was, for replying to him for taking me out of context.

I have forgiven him but obviously, I need His help to not continue any discussion with him since obviously he disagrees and is not open to discerning what the Lord has shared with me for him to confirm what has been shared by Him as truth or at the very least, see my cause for concern for him.

Yeah. But I'm pretty sure nearly all of us have lost our cool at one time or another in an Interwebs debate. But there are some people who do this on a daily basis (—if not in every thread!) It's this type of behavior that discourages discussion. I know I have bible questions that I'd love to discuss. And I'm sure I would learn from the discussion. But I'm reluctant to ask them on CC because of the flack I would draw. It's really a shame it has to be that way. :/
/jmho

 

[Enow]

Yeah, the problem is: What is error? One man's doctrine is an man's heresy.

When they lay the groundwork that others build upon to make one doubt they have the Holy Spirit at all and doubt if they are truly saved when they do not know that they have the Holy Spirit in them, thus out of fear or desire, they seek to receive the Holy Spirit after a sign of tongues......I would call that causing division by that tongue and an error to push it to be used privately when that kind of tongues has been gained by the apostasy of seeking to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation.

I understand what you mean but when any promotion can be used to cause one to doubt and then to err, overthrowing their faith in Jesus Christ, then it is not a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but reminding everyone when and how we were saved; and it sure wasn't by the sign of tongues or any other sensational sign for "believers" to seek when tongues were supposed to serve as a sign to ONLY unbelievers.

So that whole issue of tongues to be used privately to promote getting it by the way the majority of tongue speakers get it which is by seeking to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation.....then by the grace of God and His help, I shall point it out as heresy to stop that promotion to remind them of our faith in Jesus Christ of what has been plainly written as taught of us to hold fast to rather than allow wayward believers use events in Acts when they are not reading it right nor dividing the word rightly at the expense of warnings about other spirits and assurances given in the epistles as to when we were saved.

Assuming the person in disagreement can point to *some* scripture that could reasonably be interpreted to support their argument, I think the best way to proceed is:

If everyone did the courtesy to the other faction of saying " I think <this> is true because of <abc>" rather than the more dogmatic "<this> is true, because of <abc> so you are wrong!> then the forum would be so much more pleasant!

(I'm quoting a guy from another thread here; See post #2 in this thread.)

Problem is;

2 Peter 1:[SUP]19 [/SUP]We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

And how we apply the scripture, it cannot go against what other scripture is saying;

James 3:14But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

Some of those tongue speakers will claim that they have the Holy Spirit in them but they can receive Him again which is the epitome of hypocrisy. Can we receive Jesus Christ again? No. Then how can the Holy Spirit fulfill the role as our Comforter if He has to be received again and again and again, not just by a sign of tongues that never comes with interpretation which is confusion at its worst, but other signs of confusion as well in receiving Him, and yet His tongues was never to serve as a sign to believers for anything TO the believers; not as proof that they are saved, nor proof that they have the Holy Spirit, and certainly not as proof that God is calling them into the ministry, but serve as a sign or proof TO unbelievers.

It is when any one preaches something that deny Him to move saved believers away from the faith in Jesus Christ and their rest in Him as if they are not complete in Him yet, and thus maybe not saved as the devil would add that doubt easily to it.

Yeah. But I'm pretty sure nearly all of us have lost our cool at one time or another in an Interwebs debate. But there are some people who do this on a daily basis (—if not in every thread!) It's this type of behavior that discourages discussion. I know I have bible questions that I'd love to discuss. And I'm sure I would learn from the discussion. But I'm reluctant to ask them on CC because of the flack I would draw. It's really a shame it has to be that way. :/
/jmho

I understand that those who refuse corrections are subverted and are not really open to the discussion, as He is helping me to recognize this to stop replying to them but just reply to their posts so that babes in Christ knows that there is a rebuttal.

However, asking questions because someone does not know the answer, there should not be any flack.

If they ask questions, but giving a presentation as that is the answer, then naturally, there would be some flack. If they present it that they think it is the answer but leaving it open for correction by scripture or confirmation, then there should be no flack.

But I think when there are flack when there should not be any, it may be that the poster just got away from another thread where they may be carrying that prejudice over to start dishing it out as if the poster was not asking a question in seeking an answer.

I think I did that a couple of times by the wordings they had use which has been associated with apostasy, but of course, in those few times, it was not a question but a sharing of belief to others. The thing was, what was said was not what they had actually meant. Indeed, it did not represent their faith at all when they talk like that, but they were not referring to a false teaching or a false practice that I had thought they were. So I was wrong to assume they were from that camp, but yet they were wrong for talking like they were from that camp. After clarification was given and the necessity to post what they really mean because of all those false teachings out there, I confess my shortcoming in jumping the gun in that regard.

1 Timothy 5:21I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]9 [/SUP]God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Ephesians 4:[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:[SUP]14 [/SUP]That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;[SUP] 15 [/SUP]But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

1 John 2:[SUP]20 [/SUP]But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

So there is necessity to say this is true for then how can any one correct any one, but there should be liberty for discussion when someone says "I think this is true" and why, but be open for correction.

Like my thread asking what an apostle is. There are some answers given but not confirmed by scripture, like limiting the office of the apostleship to just the 12 when scripture paints Paul as an apostle whom was not of the 12.

I do not know for sure what an apostle is, but maybe by knowing what a false apostle is.....we can know the opposite to determine what an apostle is? I dunno... heading over there to try it out to see, but I think the only answer to those questions will have to be coming from that throne of grace if not found plainly in the scripture.

Thanks for sharing, but I do point out that even you will speak for the truth in Jesus Christ & show no partiality in Him. Asking question is supposed to be okay when in search of the answer in that discussion; but even a few of the questions asked here in this forum is done to create a debate by the OP, rather than the OP looking for an answer. Some asks questions for a topic sake in the title with the intention of providing the answers to those whom were wondering about it.

2 Timothy 3:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.[SUP]14 [/SUP]But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;[SUP] 15 [/SUP]And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

It should all be done in Christ's love, but those who love to debate, may need our prayers as it is a work of the flesh and a snare.

2 Corinthians 12:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.[SUP]20 [/SUP]For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

I would like to think of what I share with those that are astray as I see them as the least of the brethren or as the little ones...

Matthew 18:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.[SUP] 12 [/SUP]How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?[SUP] 13 [/SUP]And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.[SUP]14 [/SUP]Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. [SUP]15[/SUP]Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

Matthew 10:42And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

All of us need to apply our faith in Jesus Christ in being our Good Shepherd to help us serve Him in seeking the good of the body of Christ in love... because...

Matthew 25:[SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

 

[Dino246]

When they lay the groundwork that others build upon to make one doubt they have the Holy Spirit at all and doubt if they are truly saved when they do not know that they have the Holy Spirit in them, thus out of fear or desire, they seek to receive the Holy Spirit after a sign of tongues......I would call that causing division by that tongue and an error to push it to be used privately when that kind of tongues has been gained by the apostasy of seeking to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation.

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Enow, you're harping on tongues again, and misrepresenting the views of others so badly that the remainder of your post is not worth addressing. Others can peacefully co-exist even though they disagree on the matter of tongues; you seem to have a need to stir the pot continually. Who then is causing division?

The words "after", "by", and "with" have distinct meanings, applications, and implications, and the phrases, "receive the Holy Spirit by the sign of tongues" or "receive the Holy Spirit after the sign of tongues" are profoundly incorrect and unbiblical. They do not mean the same thing as "receive the Holy Spirit with the sign of tongues". Perhaps if you could get this matter consistently straight, you may get a little less flack.

 

[Prov910]

My next post below in this thread is a rather acerbic exchange copied from a very long BDF thread. I changed the fellow's name to simply "preacher" because I think he actually is a minister at a church. Today, Sunday morning, he might just be delivering a sermon to a congregation of Christians. But yesterday afternoon the tone of his conversation had a different demeanor. (SEE MY NEXT POST BELOW)

 

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Where is it?

My next post below in this thread is a rather acerbic exchange copied from a very long BDF thread. I changed the fellow's name to simply "preacher" because I think he actually is a minister at a church. Today, Sunday morning, he might just be delivering a sermon to a congregation of Christians. But yesterday afternoon the tone of his conversation had a different demeanor. (SEE MY NEXT POST BELOW)

 

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Yes, I have sinned on CC today. I'm sipping on iced coffee right now.