he that is righteous is righteous and he that commiteth sin is of the devil

Brother_Don · Sep 11, 2013

the righteous shouldn't think to highly of themselves, their righteousness is still filthy rags, being washed in the blood of the Lamb, the washing isn't anything we do, it's what Jesus has done. Throwing stones doesn't help either side, invite them for a cook out. Get them with kindness, calling them children of the devil is like giving them vinegar, to drink, think they might like sweet tea better. Jesus loves the righteous, and he loves the unrighteous. Matthew 19:17

john832 · Sep 11, 2013

haz said:

If you will read the previous verse you will see that John is not addressing non-believers...

1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

In fact the book is not addressed to non-believers...

1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

As far as Heb 10 goes, are you telling me that obedience to the Law is sin?

That contradicts scripture...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

eternally-gratefull · Sep 11, 2013

haz said:

This is horribly wrong. Unless you are declaring John himself to be a non believer. He states we. Which means he includes himself and ANYONE who reads the letter who is saved or unsaved.

Hizikyah · Sep 11, 2013

Yahdah (Jude) 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

Apostol2013 · Sep 11, 2013

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[h=3]1 Corinthians 3:13-15[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

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Hizikyah · Sep 11, 2013

1 Corinthians 3:16-17, "have ye not known that ye are a sanctuary of God, and the Spirit of God doth dwell in you? if any one the sanctuary of God doth waste, him shall God waste; for the sanctuary of God is holy, the which ye are."

1 Corinthians 3:16-17, "And if anyone's work is burned up, he will sustain a loss though he will be saved; as it were in order to be burned! Do you not understand that you are Bayith Yahweh and that the Spirit of Yahweh dwells in you? If anyone defiles Bayith Yahweh, Yahweh will destroy him. For Bayith Yahweh is holy, which you are."

haz · Sep 11, 2013

john832 said:

Hi john and ET,

You might want to read 1John 1 again.

Note it's wording. It "bears witness", "declares", "eternal life" so that the others it addresses can also have "fellowship" "with the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ". It's clearly an evangelical message.

Also note 1John 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth

Those in darkness are those without Christ.
In using the term "we", John is hardly including himself as one who walks in darkness.

Also note how your claim that 1John 1:8 refers to Christians sinning, would then contradict 1John 3:6-9 which says we cannot sin. The author is not going to contradict himself like this. I suggest your understanding of 1John is incorrect.

1John 3:6-9
Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Regarding Heb 10:26, I'm saying that determining your righteousness by your obedience to the law is sin.

Whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19.

For if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor/Sinner. Gal 2:18

Any Christian who turns back to the law to determine righteousness, makes themselves a transgressor/sinner. This is what Heb 10:26 refers to as willful sin.

haz · Sep 11, 2013

Hizikyah said:

I'll also quote the KJV.
Jude 1:4
For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

We see this a lot these days.

It refers to those who preach the law. They turn the grace of God into lewdness/lust to fornicate with Hagar (righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24). That is they start with preaching grace, but then turn God's grace into an argument for judging righteousness by works of the law.

Anyone who is preaching such doctrines where righteousness is determined by works of the law, is fornicating with Hagar, who is symbolic of the OT righteousness by works of the law (Gal 4:24).

God's will is that we abstain from fornication, 1Thess 4:3.
This is important for our salvation to abstain from turning back to the law to determine our righteousness. This is unbelief.

1Cor 5:13 even says we should put away such "wicked people" who fornicate with their father's (the devil, as Jesus described in John 8:44) wife (Hagar, who is symbolic of righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24).

Those who fornicate with Hagar are sinning against their own body.
1Cor 6:15-19
Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot (Hagar/righteousness by works of the law)? God forbid.What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot (Hagar) is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

Flee fornication (with Hagar). Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication (with Hagar) sinneth against his own body.

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

homwardbound · Sep 12, 2013

Hizikyah said:

and being Holy is by and from God through Son Christ. no other way to be found in God except through Son. The only one that did please God ever in the flesh. Died in the flesh by the crucifixion for us all. Then raised to life. our new life in the Spirit of God
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Christ came to give us new life in the Spirit of God as it was before the fall of Adam. He died for all and not all yet have come to belief, made their conscious choice as to whether they believe God yet or not. But when all have had their conscious choice made aware of. then the great white throne judgment day will be here.
[h=3]John 10:10[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly

John 3
There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: the same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. ...

homwardbound · Sep 12, 2013

haz said:

Yes Law and grace does not mix anymore than oil and water.
Although it can be stirred up to appear to be mixing yet when all calmed down they separate. Does not mix.
Even though the Law itself is perfect in itself.
But Flesh is weak, dead Spirit willing, as Jesus told the disciples when he saw them asleep. Flesh is weak, Spirit willing.
So people are dead in the Spirit alive in flesh and can want to do what is right, but not perfectly. So there was a need in Christ's time before the cross. And this need was to be made alive in the Spirit of God, born again right?
2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

So all were and are in need of what, since all were dead?
New life yes? So how is that?
Galatians 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

This is what is to be destroyed in all that believe god to have done this for you:

Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Blackson · Sep 12, 2013

haz said:

How do we do righteousness?
Either it's by perfect obedience to the law OR our faith is counted for righteousness (Rom 4:5).

So we see that it's Christians who do righteousness, in that their faith is counted for righteousness.

1John 3:8 says that anyone who sins is of the devil. To understand this lets define sin.
Sin is:
Blasphemy of the holy Spirit, Mark 3:29
Unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9
Unrighteousness, 1John 5:17
Transgression of the law, 1John 3:4.

Christians cannot be charged with these sins.

We don't blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
We believe on Jesus.
Our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5
We're not under the law, Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 4:24, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9. Hence we cannot be charged with transgression of the law. Remember, whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19.

Hence Rom 8:33 says:
Who shall lay any thing (even sin) to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

So we see scripture confirming that Christians cannot be charged with sin.
We've ceased from sin.

1Pet 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh (crucified), arm yourselves likewise with the same mind (our old man crucified with him, Rom 6:6): for he that hath suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) hath ceased from sin

1John 3:9
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed (Christ) remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1Pet 4:18
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Above we see there are 2 different groups described in 1Pet 4:18.
Group 1: Righteous/Saved
Group 2: Sinner/Ungodly

Above we clearly see that either we're righteous OR we're a sinner. You can't be both.

Either we believe on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness and thereby we cannot be charged with sin.
OR
We're in unbelief, seeking to establish our own righteousness by works of the law and failing to keep it perfectly, thus being guilty of all the law (James 2:10) and making ourselves a sinner. Such are of the devil, as 1John 3:8 says.

So who is it that sins and therefore is of the devil, as 1john 3:8 says?
It's those without Christ. Remember it's the sin of unbelief in Jesus that the world is convicted of, John 16:9.

How can a Christian make themselves a sinner again?
Gal 2:18
For if I build again the things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law),I make myself a transgressor/Sinner

Any Christian who turns back to the law to determine righteousness (this would be unbelief in Jesus) makes themselves a sinner. Such are of the devil, as 1John 3:8 says.

Unless that one becomes as foolish as the Galatians once turned themselves to be, a Christian not not become a siiner again. After all, he who has tatsted the fruits of the holy Spirit will never go back to the world and start sinning again, unless he was deceived that if you come to Christ you will see no more difficultiesthat are common to man.
I like this one Haz. God bless you.

Hizikyah · Sep 12, 2013

homwardbound said:

I think this idea is summed up here:

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh"

homwardbound · Sep 13, 2013

Hizikyah said:

I think this idea is summed up here:

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh"

Great summation in exposing truth, thanks

Hizikyah · Sep 13, 2013

homwardbound said:

Yahshua has reconciled us to Yahweh, such an amazing act of mercy, and now the will to do the Fathers Instructions is in our hearts.

Brother HB we can praise Yahweh together, HalleluYahweh!

john832 · Sep 13, 2013

haz said:

Hi john and ET,

You might want to read 1John 1 again.

Note it's wording. It "bears witness", "declares", "eternal life" so that the others it addresses can also have "fellowship" "with the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ". It's clearly an evangelical message.

Also note 1John 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth

Those in darkness are those without Christ.
In using the term "we", John is hardly including himself as one who walks in darkness.

Also note how your claim that 1John 1:8 refers to Christians sinning, would then contradict 1John 3:6-9 which says we cannot sin. The author is not going to contradict himself like this. I suggest your understanding of 1John is incorrect.

1John 3:6-9
Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Regarding Heb 10:26, I'm saying that determining your righteousness by your obedience to the law is sin.

Whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19.

For if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor/Sinner. Gal 2:18

Any Christian who turns back to the law to determine righteousness, makes themselves a transgressor/sinner. This is what Heb 10:26 refers to as willful sin.

Actually, I have read it many times and the meaning has not changed. The same words are there each time I read it.

Apostol2013 · Sep 13, 2013

Many christians see view points to best fit their needs or neither is their minds on the spirit for all they see is through the world they know they reject the truth clearly see but do not worship God as he really is worship/serve so they are given to their diver passions now another scripture says 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. It says that the man without the holy ghost cannot understand the things of God the holy Ghost will guide you but you need to be sensitive to him not rejecting him that wonderful gift but to purify yourselves to be sensitive by making yourselves a worthy Temple to be habited worthily then you will understand scripture properly God is a God of order and balance

Imperfect · Sep 13, 2013

see, its verses like these that make me feel worse about myself.

SpiritofFire · Sep 13, 2013

Imperfect said:

Let no man take joy from you. That is the good news.

homwardbound · Sep 14, 2013

Imperfect said:

We must be born again, ask God and God will show you and you will change by God's power not any of our own or this world's

Born again is a gift to you from God through the resurrected Christ, not the death of, even though that was needed first to make all right with God before the new life of God could be instilled into the believer
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

The above is what God has done for all, and it is the one's that believe this that move onto new life in thankfulness and praises as King David showed us in Scripture before the cross
[h=3]Psalm 100:4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Enter into his gates with thanksgiving,
and into his courts with praise:
be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

Apostol2013 · Sep 14, 2013

Born again not by our power but christ be all

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