Healing: A Question to Ponder

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​Lynn, I absolutely believe in miracles. I never said I didn't. Each one of us is a miracle in itself. Personally, God has worked many miracles in my life. Do I believe that God works miracles for us ALL the time? NO. But SOMETIMES he does.

I was responding to this:

​I think that we need to be proactive in our own healing. We can't sit on our butts and expect God to do all the work, he wants us to be part of our own healing process.. Many people just think He is gonna reach his hand down from heaven and pronounce us healed. NOPE.. He uses us, as well as doctors and medicine, to further better his healing of us.

And, no, I really don't agree. YUP! He has/is reaching and healing whether we sit on or butts or not. He really does do all the work. We don't have to be part of his process. Solo Dei!

 

[Depleted]

If it's God's will for ALL of us to be healthy, or healed, then WHY doesn't he bestow that healing on all of us? Look at all the people with cancer, or whatever disease, who have full faith they will be healed, and they end up dying. :/ Why didn't he heal them? What good is faith and belief, if what you believe in doesn't happen to you, but it does for the next person?

(I think you know this, but I'm just adding in case someone really asks and can't figure out the answer.)
Faith in God. That is where we aren't let down. Faith in healing, faith in miracles, faith in the Eagles going to the Super Bowl (oops? Did I say that again?

) Guaranteed to let us down!

 

[coby]

I disagree with the part you said about rebuking illness in Jesus' name. I've done that countless times and guess what? Yup, still NOT HEALED. :/ Sooo, obviously he does NOT heal EVERYONE who rebukes their illness in his name..

Maybe you need more people to to that. If you were sick you had to go to the elders, but well in the West most churches are not like the church in Acts where people got healed in Peters' shadow.
We had a lot of people in Holland who had mental illnesses and couldn't get healed. They got healed in Africa.

 

[Depleted]

I feel like crying today. I really do. I lifted too many bags of heavy groceries yesterday, and now my back is trying to give out, AND my right hip is threatening to pop out of it's socket. But, this too shall pass. Isn't that what God says? Persevere through and endure the pain. I give thanks for my pain, it lets me know I'm alive..lol.. BUT I wish God would heal it once and for all, instead of just in increments..

I hereby bequeath you the rest of the day off. (I'd tell you to sit and relax, but we both know sitting aggravates the pain, as does standing, oh, and lying down. Rumor has it hanging by our feet helps, but, yo! Way too old to even want to consider that one. I don't mind falling, it's the landing that scares me. lol) But really, try relaxing. Adding to it by lifting something else, just does that -- adds to it. Worse yet, we both know it doesn't hurt when we do stuff we have to. It hurts later! And we never know when "later" hits nor how bad it will get.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I was responding to this:


And, no, I really don't agree. YUP! He has/is reaching and healing whether we sit on or butts or not. He really does do all the work. We don't have to be part of his process. Solo Dei!

Okay, so while I was stuck in bed for 5 or 6 months with a herniated disk and sciatica, he was healing me? When I paced back and forth in agony, sobbing so hard I'd choke, begging him in the name of Jesus Christ to take that pain away and heal me, he did? Was he healing me when I landed in the ER three separate times, and had a 3-day stay in the hospital? I didn't see any divine hand reach down and touch me. If healing CAN be instantaneous, then why did it take an entire YEAR for me to be rid of the sciatica and herniated disk? Why did it take so long for me to regain the use of my left leg, which became nearly useless while sciatica was in it? If healing is instant, then why did I need 3 steroid injections in my back, and why did I need narcotic pain meds? Why did I need physical therapy for 4 months? I went from November 2014 to March 2015 stuck in bed, and from March to December 2015 going through all the rest of it. It's over a year later and I'm still not healed. So where is it, Lynn? Where is MY instant healing??

You believe in it and so do I, so where is my instant healing? Where is MY miracle? Has it already happened? IS it happening? Is it EVER going to happen? Because either I missed it or I just don't see it. Yes, God heals. BUT so do pain meds, steroids and physical therapy. :/

 

[blue_ladybug]

Maybe you need more people to to that. If you were sick you had to go to the elders, but well in the West most churches are not like the church in Acts where people got healed in Peters' shadow.
We had a lot of people in Holland who had mental illnesses and couldn't get healed. They got healed in Africa.

​Coby, I've had elders of the church anoint me with oil and lay their hands on me to heal me. IT DIDN'T WORK..

 

[Depleted]

It's not our will, but His will to heal. I want it, be made whole, He said to one man who asked in the Bible. Is there one person in the Bible to whom Jesus said: No I don't want to heal you or you have to wait 30 years for some mysterious reason I won't tell you? Jesus came to destroy the works of the enemy. If you think maybe He does not want to heal you won't rebuke the sickness in His Name. He gave the authority to heal to the church. By His stripes we are healed. I was sick for more than a year but kept confessing I was healed by His stripes until I believed it and saw it.

There are instances where all the sick in a town came to him, but it doesn't say that when he left everyone was healthy. Or, wait! Maybe they all were healed, but some didn't feel the healing for a year, or a decade or two. (I never read that part of the Bible either.)

And you believed for a year? And you tell this to a person who hasn't been healed for 17 this because...?

I KNOW God can heal me. He has. He hasn't healed me of a bad back, (and a bad back that affects my upper digestive system to boot.) Am I really supposed to say he healed me of this because you took a year to get over your sickness? Sorry, I have faith in God, not faith in someone's word about what God did for her.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I hereby bequeath you the rest of the day off. (I'd tell you to sit and relax, but we both know sitting aggravates the pain, as does standing, oh, and lying down. Rumor has it hanging by our feet helps, but, yo! Way too old to even want to consider that one. I don't mind falling, it's the landing that scares me. lol) But really, try relaxing. Adding to it by lifting something else, just does that -- adds to it. Worse yet, we both know it doesn't hurt when we do stuff we have to. It hurts later! And we never know when "later" hits nor how bad it will get.

I've been laying in bed since the end of 2014. :/ I still can't sit or stand for any length of time, not even to cook dinner on the stove. I pray you never know the pain of sciatica, and my heart truly goes out to your hubby because he has it. Two weeks in bed, watching movies was okay. A month was driving me nuts. BUT laying down was my only relief from the constant pain. Since I can't sit or stand now, I'm STILL stuck in bed. :/ Do you even fathom how frickin' tired I am of being bedbound day in and day out?!! Sooo, I do now what I did then: come on here, joke around, laugh, get support. If I can inspire even one person through my pain, then I feel like I'm fulfilling my purpose here.

 

[blue_ladybug]

There are instances where all the sick in a town came to him, but it doesn't say that when he left everyone was healthy. Or, wait! Maybe they all were healed, but some didn't feel the healing for a year, or a decade or two. (I never read that part of the Bible either.)

And you believed for a year? And you tell this to a person who hasn't been healed for 17 this because...?

I KNOW God can heal me. He has. He hasn't healed me of a bad back, (and a bad back that affects my upper digestive system to boot.) Am I really supposed to say he healed me of this because you took a year to get over your sickness? Sorry, I have faith in God, not faith in someone's word about what God did for her.

I KNOW he can heal me too. My back first started bothering me when I was between 27 to 30 years old. All that time I've believed he can heal me. So if he is healing US, then he is doing it very slowly and not to my liking or patience..lol

 

[blue_ladybug]

​I guess what I don't understand is if he CAN do INSTANT healing, why doesn't he? Why does he have to take DECADES to do it, if it's supposed to be instantaneous? I must say his instant healing, is not very instant at all.

 

[coby]

There are instances where all the sick in a town came to him, but it doesn't say that when he left everyone was healthy. Or, wait! Maybe they all were healed, but some didn't feel the healing for a year, or a decade or two. (I never read that part of the Bible either.)

And you believed for a year? And you tell this to a person who hasn't been healed for 17 this because...?

I KNOW God can heal me. He has. He hasn't healed me of a bad back, (and a bad back that affects my upper digestive system to boot.) Am I really supposed to say he healed me of this because you took a year to get over your sickness? Sorry, I have faith in God, not faith in someone's word about what God did for her.

The Word says by His stripes we are healed. A guy on another forum got healed from cancer by confessing this text over himself. In healing rooms of John G. Lake people would confess these texts and be healed. That's why I did it too. I saw people healed of cancer who just put those Bible texts spoken on a cd on their head for hours day in day out and they got prayed for a lot of times. I fasted for one guy who did that and got healed for 20 days.

 

[coby]

My ex sister in law did this for 3 years and also got medication etc but she didn't give up and got prayer almost every week. She's healed now.

 

[Depleted]

Okay, so while I was stuck in bed for 5 or 6 months with a herniated disk and sciatica, he was healing me? When I paced back and forth in agony, sobbing so hard I'd choke, begging him in the name of Jesus Christ to take that pain away and heal me, he did? Was he healing me when I landed in the ER three separate times, and had a 3-day stay in the hospital? I didn't see any divine hand reach down and touch me. If healing CAN be instantaneous, then why did it take an entire YEAR for me to be rid of the sciatica and herniated disk? Why did it take so long for me to regain the use of my left leg, which became nearly useless while sciatica was in it? If healing is instant, then why did I need 3 steroid injections in my back, and why did I need narcotic pain meds? Why did I need physical therapy for 4 months? I went from November 2014 to March 2015 stuck in bed, and from March to December 2015 going through all the rest of it. It's over a year later and I'm still not healed. So where is it, Lynn? Where is MY instant healing??

You believe in it and so do I, so where is my instant healing? Where is MY miracle? Has it already happened? IS it happening? Is it EVER going to happen? Because either I missed it or I just don't see it. Yes, God heals. BUT so do pain meds, steroids and physical therapy. :/

We all don't get miracles for health. We just don't. If we all did, we'd all be healthy. Why doesn't God heal our backs, but he heals others? Absolutely no idea except for his promise in Romans 8:28 -- it's for our good and his glory. We're still seeing in the mirror darkly. That's a lifetime of limited sight. He might well go off and miraculously heal us later today. After all the blind he healed were not likely blind just for a little while. But, I kind of doubt that. And, if it is his will to heal you this afternoon, my doubt or your doubt won't change his mind.

Meanwhile, even with dark mirrors we still have doctors and treatments that help... on occasion. Truthfully, I don't think either one of us will be healed in this lifetime. On the positive side, I also didn't think John would survive November 22nd. On the negative side, once he did, I thought he'd be home by now. I think a lot of things. Some just aren't right. But this I know -- God is right, so whatever he wills is the right thing to will. And I say that wondering how in the world I'm going to see John and then get work done in this house! (I overdid two days ago and today is the later pain.)

 

[blue_ladybug]

We all don't get miracles for health. We just don't. If we all did, we'd all be healthy. Why doesn't God heal our backs, but he heals others? Absolutely no idea except for his promise in Romans 8:28 -- it's for our good and his glory. We're still seeing in the mirror darkly. That's a lifetime of limited sight. He might well go off and miraculously heal us later today. After all the blind he healed were not likely blind just for a little while. But, I kind of doubt that. And, if it is his will to heal you this afternoon, my doubt or your doubt won't change his mind.

Meanwhile, even with dark mirrors we still have doctors and treatments that help... on occasion. Truthfully, I don't think either one of us will be healed in this lifetime. On the positive side, I also didn't think John would survive November 22nd. On the negative side, once he did, I thought he'd be home by now. I think a lot of things. Some just aren't right. But this I know -- God is right, so whatever he wills is the right thing to will. And I say that wondering how in the world I'm going to see John and then get work done in this house! (I overdid two days ago and today is the later pain.)

​That's exactly what I'm talking about. If we aren't healthy enough to function, how can we do his will if we can't even move? Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose? When we ARE healthy, we can do so much more for him, than if we're lying around like vegetables..

 

[blue_ladybug]

The Word says by His stripes we are healed. A guy on another forum got healed from cancer by confessing this text over himself. In healing rooms of John G. Lake people would confess these texts and be healed. That's why I did it too. I saw people healed of cancer who just put those Bible texts spoken on a cd on their head for hours day in day out and they got prayed for a lot of times. I fasted for one guy who did that and got healed for 20 days.

​I was healed of cancer too, but not entirely by God. A hysterectomy helped the process along wonderfully..

 

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I've been laying in bed since the end of 2014. :/ I still can't sit or stand for any length of time, not even to cook dinner on the stove. I pray you never know the pain of sciatica, and my heart truly goes out to your hubby because he has it. Two weeks in bed, watching movies was okay. A month was driving me nuts. BUT laying down was my only relief from the constant pain. Since I can't sit or stand now, I'm STILL stuck in bed. :/ Do you even fathom how frickin' tired I am of being bedbound day in and day out?!! Sooo, I do now what I did then: come on here, joke around, laugh, get support. If I can inspire even one person through my pain, then I feel like I'm fulfilling my purpose here.

I cannot fathom what it must be like to be bedbound. I do know what it's like to see someone I love stuck there for 13 FREAKING WEEKS! (Hey, I hope misery loves company, because at least you know someone else frustrated to the nth degree with bedbound! lol)

If I ever win The Big One, (which can only happen if the ticket blows into my hand, but God can do that too), I will have a good chiropractor go to your house three times a week. This is hubby's second bout of sciatica. A chiropractor fixed him after 24 weeks of therapy twice a week. The only reason we don't do the same thing again is because we can't afford it.

 

[Depleted]

The Word says by His stripes we are healed. A guy on another forum got healed from cancer by confessing this text over himself. In healing rooms of John G. Lake people would confess these texts and be healed. That's why I did it too. I saw people healed of cancer who just put those Bible texts spoken on a cd on their head for hours day in day out and they got prayed for a lot of times. I fasted for one guy who did that and got healed for 20 days.

Wrong. No one got healed by confessing those texts. They were healed, if they really were healed, by God. And see how easy it is to say you're healed? You said you were healed a year before you WERE healed. Maybe that's the problem. You think texts, CD's, and you fasting heal if done just right.

Bupkis!

 

[Depleted]

​That's exactly what I'm talking about. If we aren't healthy enough to function, how can we do his will if we can't even move? Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose? When we ARE healthy, we can do so much more for him, than if we're lying around like vegetables..

And some got 100 talents, and some got 60, and some got 30. All the talents gotten were used. Apparently our talent is to encourage others on some site online called CC. You obviously have the talent to take care of a kitten. The kitten appreciates that, and less so than God. I've got the talent to go visit hubby no matter what. Doesn't seem like much until I see his big toothless grin. He IS using our talent. We ain't Billy Graham. Don't need to be. God made Billy Graham to be his Billy Graham.

(And it's time for that big grin from hubby.)

 

[Gr8grace]

​That's exactly what I'm talking about. If we aren't healthy enough to function, how can we do his will if we can't even move? Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose? When we ARE healthy, we can do so much more for him, than if we're lying around like vegetables..

Because this world and religion bombards us with "works" and they constantly stress what men can SEE. What are ya doing for Jesus? It is SOOOOOOOOO far from the truth that it is frustrating the true fruit of a Christian.

His will is for the believer to live unto Him in what ever circumstance.Being filled with the Spirit and walk in the Spirit...............is a mental attitude, not overt works.

There is more fruit coming from you just in the fact that you still believe and have been in constant pain for years, than 100 believers that are healthy and feeding the poor.

The Christian way of life is our mental attitude and how we use doctrine. It not about going out and saving the world.

When we are following His plan( and it doesn't matter if we can physically walk or not) and are filled with the Spirit......even breathing is a divine Good work.

 

[BenFTW]

Never? In all your 25 years, you've never? Then why have you become the exact thing you're railing against -- close-minded? (BTW, "close-minded." Also a humanism pitch that fits right into everything else you have been showing you believe that's not part of God's truth.)

Reformation went back to the Bible. You're promoting another "forward-thinking," (which it aint, since all this junk came along when I was young lol), new gospel.

“Merely having an open mind is nothing; the object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.” –G.K. Chesterton