Healing: A Question to Ponder
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Yes brother, so true.
And guess what, a lot of Christians won't accept what the Word says on certain issues and in this case healing, but instead trust and put their own negative experience ABOVE the Word of God as the final authority... just like the Jews who had the Mishna and Gamara above the Torah, th Catholic Church has it's church tradiations and the Mormons their book of Mormon as a second final authority...
so also have many adjusted the Word of God to line it up with their experience be it negative, for those for have prayed withour result, and for those who had wacko crazy supernatural experiences like a friend of mine that claims he has converted a demon back to an angel.
In the end it comes to one and one thing only. If your experience doesn't line up with the Word of God it is a lie as their can be only only Truth out there and Jesus was clear when He said in John 17, Thy Word is Truth.
Most people who call this garbage have unfortunately never grabbed hold of faith and know how to apply it like the Word tell us to in Mark 11:24. To thank the Lord that we have received it before seeing it.
Jesus rebuked His disciples and said how long do I have to bear with you in Matthew 17:20 when they could not heal the boy and He told them it was because of their little faith. How non political correct was that Jesus? Most of us love to take all the parts out that put the responsibility back on us to have faith. Don't not be like a wave on the sea tossed to and fro it says or you won't receive anything is another one. He who comes to God must believe He exits and He is a rewarder who diligently seek Him. Not those who give up and who are so used to get everything instant like their coffee
WE should never accuse others for having not enough faith(although Jesus did ;-)..... but I believe we should instead take our responsilbility as the prayer for our own faith in God to come through. Yes, we all lost some battles and loved ones me included but that doesn't not mean God has changed as He has settled His Word even above His own Name so who are we that we think our truth is higher?
Some people would even call that magic, the fact that our faith or influence can change God (but Moses did under the OT) not realizing that it so easy have an acceptance of an historical fact that Jesus rose from the dead a few thousands years ago (just like evolutionist say million and millions of yrs ago) but that it is a very inconsistent faith not to believe that God Still Does heal, casts out devils and heals the sick today through His children (just like He did through the 70, the 12 and many others) who take hold of this truth violently by forces as it is written and use their God given authority.
Thanks for your post brother and keep speaking the Word of God! Power and glory!
And guess what, a lot of Christians won't accept what the Word says on certain issues and in this case healing, but instead trust and put their own negative experience ABOVE the Word of God as the final authority... just like the Jews who had the Mishna and Gamara above the Torah, th Catholic Church has it's church tradiations and the Mormons their book of Mormon as a second final authority...
so also have many adjusted the Word of God to line it up with their experience be it negative, for those for have prayed withour result, and for those who had wacko crazy supernatural experiences like a friend of mine that claims he has converted a demon back to an angel.
In the end it comes to one and one thing only. If your experience doesn't line up with the Word of God it is a lie as their can be only only Truth out there and Jesus was clear when He said in John 17, Thy Word is Truth.
Most people who call this garbage have unfortunately never grabbed hold of faith and know how to apply it like the Word tell us to in Mark 11:24. To thank the Lord that we have received it before seeing it.
Jesus rebuked His disciples and said how long do I have to bear with you in Matthew 17:20 when they could not heal the boy and He told them it was because of their little faith. How non political correct was that Jesus? Most of us love to take all the parts out that put the responsibility back on us to have faith. Don't not be like a wave on the sea tossed to and fro it says or you won't receive anything is another one. He who comes to God must believe He exits and He is a rewarder who diligently seek Him. Not those who give up and who are so used to get everything instant like their coffee
WE should never accuse others for having not enough faith(although Jesus did ;-)..... but I believe we should instead take our responsilbility as the prayer for our own faith in God to come through. Yes, we all lost some battles and loved ones me included but that doesn't not mean God has changed as He has settled His Word even above His own Name so who are we that we think our truth is higher?Some people would even call that magic, the fact that our faith or influence can change God (but Moses did under the OT) not realizing that it so easy have an acceptance of an historical fact that Jesus rose from the dead a few thousands years ago (just like evolutionist say million and millions of yrs ago) but that it is a very inconsistent faith not to believe that God Still Does heal, casts out devils and heals the sick today through His children (just like He did through the 70, the 12 and many others) who take hold of this truth violently by forces as it is written and use their God given authority.
Thanks for your post brother and keep speaking the Word of God! Power and glory!
It just seems to me one either trusts in God or trusts in conspiracy theories on causes and cures for cancer. You seem to be playing at both ends of the spectrum and I don't see how the two posts fit together in one person's mind.
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I was saved into the Charismatic movement. So my earliest experience was all about these gifts. "What gifts do you have?" "Must have some gifts." And so on.
I think they over emphasize them sometimes. Then later, I sort of rebounded back past the neutral center and got very strict about word studies. A bible church. Word and only more Word. No more goofing around and sit quietly still.
It is fascinating that you mention your wife's experience at that age. I came to faith at 18. But when I was about 6 there was an event that I will never forget. My mom left us kids alone at home. It was the 60s. No big deal!
My brother and I were in our backyard playing baseball with the neighborhood kids. There was a disputed call at 2nd base and an argument ensued. So one of the neighborhood kids picked up second base, which was a plank of wood with two nails in it on one and swung it at my brother. The nails caught him just below his eye and slit him wide open. He was bleeding very badly. While still standing there for a few seconds shocked and not knowing what to do, I looked up and my great grandmother was suddenly there. It was a small town and she lived about 10 minutes away.
She drove him to get medical help. Later on the adults were discussing this and they asked how she knew to come to our house or why did she? She said "I don't know? I just felt really strongly that I needed to go there." She was an old conservative Lutheran. She was not seeking signs or gifts or anything like that. I am not certain, but I do not think that they believe in such things??
But if you have not already done the math in your head, she HAD to have received this 'impression' and driven, or started driving, BEFORE my brother even got hit! Yeah... me too.
I am not sure if she ever fully appreciated what happened that day? All she would ever say is I left in such a hurry I forgot to turn off the water hose that she was watering the garden with when she got the impression. Returning, hours later, the garden was now a 'pond'. So she would just get embarrassed about that. And people would express amazement and ask what about the boy? And, always practical as she was, she would just say "he needed to go the doctor" and really say no more.
She witnessed a miracle, no... she PARTICIPATED in a miracle, and all she worried about was over watering the garden. LOL
But there was no way this was a mere coincidence. She said she got a strong 'impression'. (exactly how does one describe such events?) And that conservative old German Lutheran woman may not have gone around calling down fire from Heaven, but she did not tell lies!
I don't know if this is a 'gift', but it was something supernatural. And I think it would fall under the category of gifts.
She 'laid hands' on him... when picking him up and putting him into the car to drive to the doctors office! So no miraculous healing. Not even attempted. But everything we needed to take care of the situation was provided. And in a timely manner.
If it were up to me, I might trade gifts for escaping the ramifications of that ominous biblical passage. But it is not up to me.
God bless.
I think they over emphasize them sometimes. Then later, I sort of rebounded back past the neutral center and got very strict about word studies. A bible church. Word and only more Word. No more goofing around and sit quietly still.
It is fascinating that you mention your wife's experience at that age. I came to faith at 18. But when I was about 6 there was an event that I will never forget. My mom left us kids alone at home. It was the 60s. No big deal!
My brother and I were in our backyard playing baseball with the neighborhood kids. There was a disputed call at 2nd base and an argument ensued. So one of the neighborhood kids picked up second base, which was a plank of wood with two nails in it on one and swung it at my brother. The nails caught him just below his eye and slit him wide open. He was bleeding very badly. While still standing there for a few seconds shocked and not knowing what to do, I looked up and my great grandmother was suddenly there. It was a small town and she lived about 10 minutes away.
She drove him to get medical help. Later on the adults were discussing this and they asked how she knew to come to our house or why did she? She said "I don't know? I just felt really strongly that I needed to go there." She was an old conservative Lutheran. She was not seeking signs or gifts or anything like that. I am not certain, but I do not think that they believe in such things??
But if you have not already done the math in your head, she HAD to have received this 'impression' and driven, or started driving, BEFORE my brother even got hit! Yeah... me too.
I am not sure if she ever fully appreciated what happened that day? All she would ever say is I left in such a hurry I forgot to turn off the water hose that she was watering the garden with when she got the impression. Returning, hours later, the garden was now a 'pond'. So she would just get embarrassed about that. And people would express amazement and ask what about the boy? And, always practical as she was, she would just say "he needed to go the doctor" and really say no more.
She witnessed a miracle, no... she PARTICIPATED in a miracle, and all she worried about was over watering the garden. LOL
But there was no way this was a mere coincidence. She said she got a strong 'impression'. (exactly how does one describe such events?) And that conservative old German Lutheran woman may not have gone around calling down fire from Heaven, but she did not tell lies!
I don't know if this is a 'gift', but it was something supernatural. And I think it would fall under the category of gifts.
She 'laid hands' on him... when picking him up and putting him into the car to drive to the doctors office! So no miraculous healing. Not even attempted. But everything we needed to take care of the situation was provided. And in a timely manner.
If it were up to me, I might trade gifts for escaping the ramifications of that ominous biblical passage. But it is not up to me.
God bless.
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The other, and main reason, is because Jesus paid for that healing through His flesh. So when a person gets healed, Christ is receiving that which is His. Though He did this in love, purchasing such healing through His suffering, this is applied by faith. One is based on God's compassion and mercy in the moment (for the sick), and the other is someone grabbing hold of their healing found through Christ (and God gives it to them because in Christ, the promises of God are "yes" and "amen.")
Their faith is with expectation and God grants it because Christ already paid for it. The one without faith isn't taking hold of the promise, for whatever reason. Yet, God still divinely intervenes.
Hope that clarifies it.
Their faith is with expectation and God grants it because Christ already paid for it. The one without faith isn't taking hold of the promise, for whatever reason. Yet, God still divinely intervenes.
Hope that clarifies it.
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17 years later. I'm still supposed to be waiting for Jesus to "actualize" what you tell me he's already done for me?
And Blue Ladybug? She's into decades now. Is she supposed to be assuming Jesus already physically healed her so she can see it?
You can keep saying it's Jesus all you want, but your version is My Lil Pony rainbows and heart-shaped flowers in Ponyville -- not reality.
Are we both so weak that we cannot force God's hand like you're trying to convince us we're supposed to wait around to do? Did my Rolls Royce already show up, but someone plunked it into someone else's driveway and no one told me? You keep claiming it's Jesus, but every time Jesus does something, I can see the something.
I don't like playing the age card often, but you're 25 years old. Lady bug and I have been believers since your parents were kids! Exactly why do you presume to understand this better than we do? Exactly where do you get the audacity to presume you're right? Based on what? As far as I can tell, much of what you believe is based on modern humanism, not Christianity.
If you will not delve into understanding God's word better than this at 25 -- be willing to rethink what you've been taught -- all that will come of you is you become yet another hard-nosed The-End-Is-Nigh preacher no one listens to at my age. Those types of preachers often were never saved and will never know God's glory, but, hey, they knew their version of doctrine at a young age and kept it tight.
Hubby read somewhere a pastor's opinion on what he knows of the Word of God. "I believe what I believe is 100% correct. I also know that some of what I believe is absolutely wrong." You've set yourself up for the first part without giving wiggle room for the second. That scares me. For you!
And Blue Ladybug? She's into decades now. Is she supposed to be assuming Jesus already physically healed her so she can see it?
You can keep saying it's Jesus all you want, but your version is My Lil Pony rainbows and heart-shaped flowers in Ponyville -- not reality.
Are we both so weak that we cannot force God's hand like you're trying to convince us we're supposed to wait around to do? Did my Rolls Royce already show up, but someone plunked it into someone else's driveway and no one told me? You keep claiming it's Jesus, but every time Jesus does something, I can see the something.
I don't like playing the age card often, but you're 25 years old. Lady bug and I have been believers since your parents were kids! Exactly why do you presume to understand this better than we do? Exactly where do you get the audacity to presume you're right? Based on what? As far as I can tell, much of what you believe is based on modern humanism, not Christianity.
If you will not delve into understanding God's word better than this at 25 -- be willing to rethink what you've been taught -- all that will come of you is you become yet another hard-nosed The-End-Is-Nigh preacher no one listens to at my age. Those types of preachers often were never saved and will never know God's glory, but, hey, they knew their version of doctrine at a young age and kept it tight.
Hubby read somewhere a pastor's opinion on what he knows of the Word of God. "I believe what I believe is 100% correct. I also know that some of what I believe is absolutely wrong." You've set yourself up for the first part without giving wiggle room for the second. That scares me. For you!
What is largely being promoted by some on this forum is the law of attraction made popular by Helena Blavatsky.
We need to be careful what we are accepting as biblical truth and stop twisting scripture.
We need to be careful what we are accepting as biblical truth and stop twisting scripture.
The law of attraction was introduced to Christianity by the Christian Science cult in the late 1800s. Since then, it has been largely embraced by much of the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements, and fully embraced by the Word of Faith movement.
People, I would challenge you to do some research and get out of your comfort zone for a while. Do some church history studies and compare what you are hearing today to what the church accepted as sound doctrine for the past 2000 years compared to what it deemed heresy.
We are warned in 2 thes. 2 that satan will deceive, if possible the very elect, near the time right before Christ returns. This is not a warning to the already deceived world. This is a warning to the church. We are told there are those who will secretly bring in destructive heresies and many false prophets and false teachers will arise.
Get out of your comfort zone and do some research.
People, I would challenge you to do some research and get out of your comfort zone for a while. Do some church history studies and compare what you are hearing today to what the church accepted as sound doctrine for the past 2000 years compared to what it deemed heresy.
We are warned in 2 thes. 2 that satan will deceive, if possible the very elect, near the time right before Christ returns. This is not a warning to the already deceived world. This is a warning to the church. We are told there are those who will secretly bring in destructive heresies and many false prophets and false teachers will arise.
Get out of your comfort zone and do some research.
I think that we need to be proactive in our own healing. We can't sit on our butts and expect God to do all the work, he wants us to be part of our own healing process.. Many people just think He is gonna reach his hand down from heaven and pronounce us healed. NOPE.. He uses us, as well as doctors and medicine, to further better his healing of us.
Many people just think He is gonna reach his hand down from heaven and pronounce us healed. NOPE.. He uses us, as well as doctors and medicine, to further better his healing of us. 
Amen......well said....I just heard a testimony where a teacher received a word of knowledge ( one of the manifestations of the Holy Spirit in 1 Cor 12 ) for another believer and it was to do with something she was to do naturally...and that healed her.
God wants us well and whole and He will do whatever He can to get us that way...but we have to work with Him and the way He has for us..
God wants us well and whole and He will do whatever He can to get us that way...but we have to work with Him and the way He has for us..
I think that we need to be proactive in our own healing. We can't sit on our butts and expect God to do all the work, he wants us to be part of our own healing process.. Many people just think He is gonna reach his hand down from heaven and pronounce us healed. NOPE.. He uses us, as well as doctors and medicine, to further better his healing of us.
Many people just think He is gonna reach his hand down from heaven and pronounce us healed. NOPE.. He uses us, as well as doctors and medicine, to further better his healing of us.
LOL...good one...great perception on ya'
Maybe it's the same guys that were told to do thanksgiving turkey and they did this to "chill" the turkey..
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Maybe it's the same guys that were told to do thanksgiving turkey and they did this to "chill" the turkey..
As usual....false accusations and opinions from certain people that some truth conflicts with their religious beliefs.........typical though
Looks like somebody had a major beer party.. Lookit all those cans of Budweiser and Coor's Light. o.0
Looks like somebody had a major beer party.. Lookit all those cans of Budweiser and Coor's Light. o.0