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For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing,
neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
For in death there is no remembrance of thee:
in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold,
a greater than Solomon is here.
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,
even the Son of man which is in heaven.
12And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up
thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
15As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness:
I shall be satisfied, when I [King David] awake, with thy likeness.
Job asks: If a man die, shall he live again?
all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead
shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of
the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
For in death there is no remembrance of thee:
in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold,
a greater than Solomon is here.
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,
even the Son of man which is in heaven.
12And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up
thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
15As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness:
I shall be satisfied, when I [King David] awake, with thy likeness.
Job asks: If a man die, shall he live again?
all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead
shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of
the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
The word hell can be traced back only so far as the anglo-saxon word "helle" or "helan"
and it's definition is that of a "hidden place"
There are four words for hell and the translators wrongly used hell each and every
occasion that the words - Hades, Gehenna, Sheol, and Tartarus, were used in the bible.
Gehenna, was the garbage dump just outside of Jerusalem, where refuse was burned continually.
Hades, is a greek word for hidden place
Sheol, is a Hebrew word used for the grave
Tartarus, was used by Homer, when describing the subterranean prisons
where the "gods" were imprisoned.
use a bible concordence to find in verses what origanly word used, one deffination.
So, by combining all these things together, the translators painted a picture of a subterranean
place where fires burned and was unseen by those living upon the surface of the earth.
There will be a lake of fire, that is a fact, but hell is not the lake of fire.
The lake of fire does not yet exist...it will at Judgment day,
but that is only after the millennial period.
and it's definition is that of a "hidden place"
There are four words for hell and the translators wrongly used hell each and every
occasion that the words - Hades, Gehenna, Sheol, and Tartarus, were used in the bible.
Gehenna, was the garbage dump just outside of Jerusalem, where refuse was burned continually.
Hades, is a greek word for hidden place
Sheol, is a Hebrew word used for the grave
Tartarus, was used by Homer, when describing the subterranean prisons
where the "gods" were imprisoned.
use a bible concordence to find in verses what origanly word used, one deffination.
So, by combining all these things together, the translators painted a picture of a subterranean
place where fires burned and was unseen by those living upon the surface of the earth.
There will be a lake of fire, that is a fact, but hell is not the lake of fire.
The lake of fire does not yet exist...it will at Judgment day,
but that is only after the millennial period.
For centuries, men have wondered what really happens at death.
The ancient philosophers taught that man is essentially an immortal spiritual “soul” housed in
a temporary body of flesh—that the real man is not the body, but an invisible,
immaterial “immortal soul” that thinks, hears, sees and will consciously live on forever.
the Jewish Encyclopedia explains: “The belief in the immortality of the soul came to the Jews
from contact with Greek thought and chiefly through the philosophy of Plato, its principal exponent,
who was led to it through Orphic and Eleusinian mysteries in which Babylonian and Egyptian views
were strangely blended” (emphasis ours).
The doctrine of the immortality of the soul, according to this respected encyclopedia,
came from pre-Christian Greek philosophers who acquired it from pagan Egypt and Babylon!
Man is mortal, corruptible flesh—organic matter with a temporary life. He does not have eternal life inherent
within himself. He does not have an “immortal soul”! He is a physical, fleshly creature destined to die, turn to dust
and remain that way—except for the intervention of the Almighty—except for the resurrection from the dead!
The ancient philosophers taught that man is essentially an immortal spiritual “soul” housed in
a temporary body of flesh—that the real man is not the body, but an invisible,
immaterial “immortal soul” that thinks, hears, sees and will consciously live on forever.
the Jewish Encyclopedia explains: “The belief in the immortality of the soul came to the Jews
from contact with Greek thought and chiefly through the philosophy of Plato, its principal exponent,
who was led to it through Orphic and Eleusinian mysteries in which Babylonian and Egyptian views
were strangely blended” (emphasis ours).
The doctrine of the immortality of the soul, according to this respected encyclopedia,
came from pre-Christian Greek philosophers who acquired it from pagan Egypt and Babylon!
Man is mortal, corruptible flesh—organic matter with a temporary life. He does not have eternal life inherent
within himself. He does not have an “immortal soul”! He is a physical, fleshly creature destined to die, turn to dust
and remain that way—except for the intervention of the Almighty—except for the resurrection from the dead!
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bikerchaz, one can believe as they wish to. LOL I remember a serviceman saying the same thing to me, and reminded me of Luke 12:18-21!! LOL As it is better to have a gun and not need one, then to need one and not have it ,so is it much better to believe what Jesus said then to not believe!! I was thankful 3 months later he became a believer, hope others have the same kind of time as I did!! LOL because time is sure a problem now!( Rom 13:11-14!!)
Eternal life you like but eternal death you reject. The soul which comes from God is like God who gave it eternal. Life apart from God in outer darkness is eternal death.
Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
God does not work in temporal basis but an eternal basis.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine,
until the kingdom of God shall come.
But now is Christ risen from the dead,
and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
-when our change comes, at Christs return to earth
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible,
by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
For this corruptible must put on (incorruption),
and this mortal must put on [immortality].
“Now this I say, brethren, that [flesh and blood] cannot inherit
the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption”
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption;
it is (raised in incorruption)
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's (at his coming).
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, (when he shall appear), we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith,
and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
the “wages of sin” is death- Romans 6:23.
-Mortals naturally die once, because we just “wear out” (Hebrews 9:27).
But if anyone dies the second death, that individual will have been judged
by God, to be guilty of persistent disobedience and incorrigible rebellion.
The second death will be for all eternity!
Death is the opposite of life! The final wages the incorrigible
will receive is the complete cessation of life!
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard,
neither have entered into the heart of man,
the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine,
until the kingdom of God shall come.
But now is Christ risen from the dead,
and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
-when our change comes, at Christs return to earth
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible,
by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
For this corruptible must put on (incorruption),
and this mortal must put on [immortality].
“Now this I say, brethren, that [flesh and blood] cannot inherit
the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption”
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption;
it is (raised in incorruption)
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's (at his coming).
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, (when he shall appear), we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith,
and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
the “wages of sin” is death- Romans 6:23.
-Mortals naturally die once, because we just “wear out” (Hebrews 9:27).
But if anyone dies the second death, that individual will have been judged
by God, to be guilty of persistent disobedience and incorrigible rebellion.
The second death will be for all eternity!
Death is the opposite of life! The final wages the incorrigible
will receive is the complete cessation of life!
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard,
neither have entered into the heart of man,
the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
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no Jesus can not lie, He said pray this "Thy kingdom come".
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom,
which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people,
but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.
-Christs Kingdom rule of iron [over all] the nations [on earth] has not happened yet.
Thy will be done [in] earth, as it is [in] heaven.
-things done on this current earth, not the same as in heaven now.
no but it will be soon here on earth done, after his sec. comming.
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom,
which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people,
but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.
-Christs Kingdom rule of iron [over all] the nations [on earth] has not happened yet.
Thy will be done [in] earth, as it is [in] heaven.
-things done on this current earth, not the same as in heaven now.
no but it will be soon here on earth done, after his sec. comming.
In my Father’s house are many mansions:
-lets look at this bible verses to see what it says.
[I go to prepare a place for you.]
-does not say he gives it to you at this time, but is preparing it for us,
does not say he gives it to us in heaven
[the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. ]
He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country
to receive for himself a kingdom, [and to return].
[I will come again, ] says he will then return someday, garanteed.
[and receive [you] unto myself;]
at his return, at our change he receives[when we see him]
[that where I am, there ye may be also.]
he returns and rules his kingdom right here on earth, from Jerusalem.
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom,
and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom
under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints
of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
-lets look at this bible verses to see what it says.
[I go to prepare a place for you.]
-does not say he gives it to you at this time, but is preparing it for us,
does not say he gives it to us in heaven
[the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. ]
He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country
to receive for himself a kingdom, [and to return].
[I will come again, ] says he will then return someday, garanteed.
[and receive [you] unto myself;]
at his return, at our change he receives[when we see him]
[that where I am, there ye may be also.]
he returns and rules his kingdom right here on earth, from Jerusalem.
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom,
and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom
under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints
of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
or place of concealment.
this is not strictly correct. the garbage dump was Ge Hinnom (the valley of Hinnom). Gehenna, while the idea was based on this, became recognised as the eschatological place of future punishment (Assumption of Moses 10.10; 2 Esdras 7.36), a place of unquenchable fire. It was the place where according to Jesus body and soul were destroyed.
you can't have both Hell and Hades as meaning a hidden place lol Hades is one of the names of Pluto, god of the underworld. It signified the world of the grave, the underworld. It was the place where the unrighteous awaited resurrection.
it also includes the underworld. dead people are depicted as conversing there.
T Peter used it as signifying a temporary prison for angels awaiting judgment.
few words when translated have one definition. languages are not like that.
this is a naïve interpretation. only bodies lay below the surface of the earth. spirits are non-physical, they are not 'below the earth'.
the final Hell is.
Scripture does not tell us whether it exists or not. So how do you know this? But there will be no millennium for it to be the end of lol
this is not strictly correct. the garbage dump was Ge Hinnom (the valley of Hinnom). Gehenna, while the idea was based on this, became recognised as the eschatological place of future punishment (Assumption of Moses 10.10; 2 Esdras 7.36), a place of unquenchable fire. It was the place where according to Jesus body and soul were destroyed.
you can't have both Hell and Hades as meaning a hidden place lol Hades is one of the names of Pluto, god of the underworld. It signified the world of the grave, the underworld. It was the place where the unrighteous awaited resurrection.
it also includes the underworld. dead people are depicted as conversing there.
T Peter used it as signifying a temporary prison for angels awaiting judgment.
few words when translated have one definition. languages are not like that.
this is a naïve interpretation. only bodies lay below the surface of the earth. spirits are non-physical, they are not 'below the earth'.
the final Hell is.
Scripture does not tell us whether it exists or not. So how do you know this? But there will be no millennium for it to be the end of lol
I am very certain your intent here is good, but you've conflated "exodus" and "exile". Moses led the people in the exodus from Egypt. It is to Moses then, subsequent to this event, tradition lends Torah, the first five books of our OT.
Hundreds of years later, a dynasty known as "Chaldeans" usurped power in Babylon, conquered Jerusalem, destroyed the first temple and, as the Hebrews would not cease insurrection, removed a large portion to serve as a lower cast in Babylon. Following these events, different sects of Jews would adopt different concepts of heaven, wars in heaven, and end times.
Now comes what you may, with license, refer pagan influence, but really it's not. From this period further we see strong influence from the philosophies and vision of the religion of the Achaemenids, Zoroastrianism. A substantial change happens from "Ezra onwards", with particular differences in Daniel and Isaiah. With this statement I realize I raise alarm and reflexive reaction of "NO, NO" and accusations of heresy. With closer examination, the alarm grows stronger, that you might consider it, yourself. Rest your mind, though, on the truth that God sent this, God anointed Cyrus, king of the Achaemenids, a man who "did not know God". Not only this, but God sent Michael to quell rebellion in Cyrus' homeland, in combat with the lesser rulers who would conspire to usurp Cyrus.
Then you realize something else. These prophetic words we attribute to anticipation of Jesus' coming, the way we identify and validate His authenticity, are from this era of "new ideas", of "new outlooks". This only leads to so many more questions, and arguably insufficient answers. To reiterate, however, we must accept all of this if we accept any of it, because indeed, God chose and sent Cyrus. Isaiah 45.
Hundreds of years later, a dynasty known as "Chaldeans" usurped power in Babylon, conquered Jerusalem, destroyed the first temple and, as the Hebrews would not cease insurrection, removed a large portion to serve as a lower cast in Babylon. Following these events, different sects of Jews would adopt different concepts of heaven, wars in heaven, and end times.
Now comes what you may, with license, refer pagan influence, but really it's not. From this period further we see strong influence from the philosophies and vision of the religion of the Achaemenids, Zoroastrianism. A substantial change happens from "Ezra onwards", with particular differences in Daniel and Isaiah. With this statement I realize I raise alarm and reflexive reaction of "NO, NO" and accusations of heresy. With closer examination, the alarm grows stronger, that you might consider it, yourself. Rest your mind, though, on the truth that God sent this, God anointed Cyrus, king of the Achaemenids, a man who "did not know God". Not only this, but God sent Michael to quell rebellion in Cyrus' homeland, in combat with the lesser rulers who would conspire to usurp Cyrus.
Then you realize something else. These prophetic words we attribute to anticipation of Jesus' coming, the way we identify and validate His authenticity, are from this era of "new ideas", of "new outlooks". This only leads to so many more questions, and arguably insufficient answers. To reiterate, however, we must accept all of this if we accept any of it, because indeed, God chose and sent Cyrus. Isaiah 45.
But He did say I GO to prepare a place for you in My Father's house. So it clearly refers to Heaven, the dwellingplace of God
The certain nobleman was Archelaus. It is a PARABLE with a meaning.. It is NOT an allegory. Its details CANNOT be used to determine anything about Christ's coming, except that He will give rewards to His own.
that's strange. I see no mention of Jerusalem or of ruling a kingdom of earth. This is how false doctrine is always built up.
this is the everlasting kingdom on the new heavenly, everlasting 'earth'.
The certain nobleman was Archelaus. It is a PARABLE with a meaning.. It is NOT an allegory. Its details CANNOT be used to determine anything about Christ's coming, except that He will give rewards to His own.
that's strange. I see no mention of Jerusalem or of ruling a kingdom of earth. This is how false doctrine is always built up.
this is the everlasting kingdom on the new heavenly, everlasting 'earth'.
Some thoughts about hell...
I'll start off with a quote from CS Lewis.
" The doors of hell are locked from the inside." If you are there it's because you chose it...Lewis says the damned are in a sense "successful rebels unto the end."...because hell is their own willful determination to live a selfish, independent existence from Love. People, not God choose hell.
Scripture seems to give men the liberty to pursue their own demand toward self-destruction.
Whatever hell is and to what degree it is populated - the question of utmost importance concerns the nature of the "goodness of God". I will argue that it is God's very Goodness. ..not His hatred for the person that actually tortures people in hell.
Vengeance is not wreaked on God's children, but on sin itself that is in man ( apart from those that have received Christ ) - because of what sin does to destroy mankind. His "wrath remains on those" who refuse to accept that wrath has already been removed. ( John 3:36 )
Ant biblical phrase regarding God's "vengeance" can ultimately interpreted no other way than the sowing and reaping people bring upon themselves by rejecting the mercy already given on the cross. God has already fully dealt with the sin issue on the cross. Yet, some refuse to accept His already given solution - demanding to hold onto a penalty that has already been absolved from His perspective.
If effect they are refusing the grace that is in Christ.
Mercy triumphs over judgment but it doesn't skirt it. The wrath of the Lamb is about wiping out a sin identity that justly demands to be destroyed and that He did destroy in His own death. The wrath of the Lamb is not that God is personally peeved at people.
But to those who refuse to believe...they have been judged and condemned already by the very fact of their refusal to believe in the non-judgment already pronounced!
The wrath of God/Lamb is a manifestation of the love of God. The refusal of the love of God is the very thing that will torment people in whatever hell turns out to look like. Have you ever seen the hatred in some people because they refuse your love for them? It's that very love that torments them.
I'll start off with a quote from CS Lewis.
" The doors of hell are locked from the inside." If you are there it's because you chose it...Lewis says the damned are in a sense "successful rebels unto the end."...because hell is their own willful determination to live a selfish, independent existence from Love. People, not God choose hell.
Scripture seems to give men the liberty to pursue their own demand toward self-destruction.
Whatever hell is and to what degree it is populated - the question of utmost importance concerns the nature of the "goodness of God". I will argue that it is God's very Goodness. ..not His hatred for the person that actually tortures people in hell.
Vengeance is not wreaked on God's children, but on sin itself that is in man ( apart from those that have received Christ ) - because of what sin does to destroy mankind. His "wrath remains on those" who refuse to accept that wrath has already been removed. ( John 3:36 )
Ant biblical phrase regarding God's "vengeance" can ultimately interpreted no other way than the sowing and reaping people bring upon themselves by rejecting the mercy already given on the cross. God has already fully dealt with the sin issue on the cross. Yet, some refuse to accept His already given solution - demanding to hold onto a penalty that has already been absolved from His perspective.
If effect they are refusing the grace that is in Christ.
Mercy triumphs over judgment but it doesn't skirt it. The wrath of the Lamb is about wiping out a sin identity that justly demands to be destroyed and that He did destroy in His own death. The wrath of the Lamb is not that God is personally peeved at people.
But to those who refuse to believe...they have been judged and condemned already by the very fact of their refusal to believe in the non-judgment already pronounced!
The wrath of God/Lamb is a manifestation of the love of God. The refusal of the love of God is the very thing that will torment people in whatever hell turns out to look like. Have you ever seen the hatred in some people because they refuse your love for them? It's that very love that torments them.
B
He is at the gate! We must not be foolish virgins, we must trim our wicks and make sure our oil does not run out. Bless you, there is not much time and the call of Jesus on my spirit to go out and be a harvester is so strong, but the call goes out to say the bride groom approaches. Oh! Please Father God, bring into existence your kingdom, and let [SUP]6 [/SUP]“At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’
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I was chopping wood today, and explaining to my boys why we were doing it, (as they were helping me carry the logs to the wood store), I was saying we were doing our duty to their mother by making sure she was warm this winter and trying to explain that we should always try to do more than our duty to show Jesus's love, when what Paul said about this phenomena of heaven came to mind. He wrote that he did "not understand" it, he knew about the second coming, he knew that he would be raised from the dead but he could not understand how it was that he should not see death.
The Spirit spoke strait to my heart and told me I would not see death, that no one in Christ, or that has been chosen will see death. I can not explain it, it is like having an encyclopaedia dropped into your brain that only gives you seven words to work with. I understand but do not know how, we shall not see death! our bodies will die but we shall not. PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME.
The Spirit spoke strait to my heart and told me I would not see death, that no one in Christ, or that has been chosen will see death. I can not explain it, it is like having an encyclopaedia dropped into your brain that only gives you seven words to work with. I understand but do not know how, we shall not see death! our bodies will die but we shall not. PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME.
Old T: hell: Hebrew: OL, the grave.
New T: hell: Gehenna, lake of fire. Or hades : grave.
My opinion only. The rich man and Lazarus is an allegory. Lazaros: one whom God helps.
We who have been rescued by Christ are all Lazaros.
The rich man represents Israel who had everything handed to him on a silver platter and rejected God who became salvation, Jesus.
Lazoros, all of us are now comforted. We are of the faith of Abraham. In his bosom, redeemed by the promise given to him.
Israel's history since rejecting the Messiah, Jesus, has been anything but 'comfort'.
'Go tell my brethren, Israel, lest they follow me to destruction.' Answer. 'They have the prophets, and the word, they will not yield even if one Jew is redeemed unto the resurrection of a new life in Christ. The majority will not submit to the faith of Abraham.
Question. If this is the traditional hell of fire and brimstone, how come this guy isn't screaming bloody murder in the flames of fire? I would be, like the pilot in that cage.
How is it that he can even hold a conversation? A drop of water for his tongue in the flame? Have you ever been really thirsty. And all you needed was a drop of water?? I personally would need a barrel of water but I'd be to busy in screaming pain to ask for it.
All this seems kind of strange.
A lot to cover but just one more deal. Would it be inconsistent of the fairness and justness of God to make the first sinners to be tortured longer than everyone after them?
Let's say Cain has been roasting for over 6 thousand years now, and then the last rebel to die at his return, only has to stand in the judgment, be punished for his collective sins for a far shorter season then perish in the lake of fire, or as some believe, be tortured there on out for eternity?
If Christ returns today, then Cain had to suffer a little over 6 thousand years more than the last sinner. His torture starts now.
A fair and just God? Maybe we need to rethink some of this. I'm just saying....opinion here!
New T: hell: Gehenna, lake of fire. Or hades : grave.
My opinion only. The rich man and Lazarus is an allegory. Lazaros: one whom God helps.
We who have been rescued by Christ are all Lazaros.
The rich man represents Israel who had everything handed to him on a silver platter and rejected God who became salvation, Jesus.
Lazoros, all of us are now comforted. We are of the faith of Abraham. In his bosom, redeemed by the promise given to him.
Israel's history since rejecting the Messiah, Jesus, has been anything but 'comfort'.
'Go tell my brethren, Israel, lest they follow me to destruction.' Answer. 'They have the prophets, and the word, they will not yield even if one Jew is redeemed unto the resurrection of a new life in Christ. The majority will not submit to the faith of Abraham.
Question. If this is the traditional hell of fire and brimstone, how come this guy isn't screaming bloody murder in the flames of fire? I would be, like the pilot in that cage.
How is it that he can even hold a conversation? A drop of water for his tongue in the flame? Have you ever been really thirsty. And all you needed was a drop of water?? I personally would need a barrel of water but I'd be to busy in screaming pain to ask for it.
All this seems kind of strange.
A lot to cover but just one more deal. Would it be inconsistent of the fairness and justness of God to make the first sinners to be tortured longer than everyone after them?
Let's say Cain has been roasting for over 6 thousand years now, and then the last rebel to die at his return, only has to stand in the judgment, be punished for his collective sins for a far shorter season then perish in the lake of fire, or as some believe, be tortured there on out for eternity?
If Christ returns today, then Cain had to suffer a little over 6 thousand years more than the last sinner. His torture starts now.
A fair and just God? Maybe we need to rethink some of this. I'm just saying....opinion here!
I think there is a whole lot of stuff we think we know because we were religiously taught it..but is doesn't necessarily mean it is true..lol
it looks like Jesus preached the gospel to the people from the flood..
1 Peter 3:18-20 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
[SUP]19 [/SUP] in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
The word "proclamation" is the exact same greek word used for preaching the gospel.. I wonder what happened when He did that?..Eternity will reveal it.
All's I'm saying is...there are most likely a lot we don't know and the "assumptions" we have been taught in church may not be accurate. selah
it looks like Jesus preached the gospel to the people from the flood..
1 Peter 3:18-20 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
[SUP]19 [/SUP] in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
The word "proclamation" is the exact same greek word used for preaching the gospel.. I wonder what happened when He did that?..Eternity will reveal it.
All's I'm saying is...there are most likely a lot we don't know and the "assumptions" we have been taught in church may not be accurate. selah