Hebrews 6:4-6 - not at it seems...
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well, there's this:
“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.
“For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
“This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.” (Jn 6:37-40)
Psalm 147:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] He does not delight in the strength of the horse; He does not take pleasure in the legs of a man.
It says that God takes no pleasure in the legs of a man. The legs speak of our own power and strength - what "we can do".
Which means He takes no pleasure in what man thinks he can do of his own strength of the flesh and will-power. That's why self-righteousness which is depending on what we do or don't do is really anti-the gospel. Romans 10:2-3 shows this truth very clearly.
Romans 10:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
Do you see what I see?
This is one of those scriptures that's not as it appears at first glance. It may seem as if it's suggesting that one loses their salvation, but it's not. If you take a really close look at it, it's actually confirming the security of a believer
.........
Christ's ONE sacrifice is sufficient to cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness. We are born of the spirit ONE time, not multiple times.
This scripture is showing how impossible it is to be saved, then unsaved, then saved again.... because that ONE sacrifice was sufficient to cleanse us the first time!! So to suggest our salvation can be "undone" would be putting Christ to open shame, suggesting that His sacrifice was not sufficient!!! So in other words, "crucifying him afresh" each time by suggesting that He was not able to save us completely the first time, that He must be crucified a second and third time.
It's impossible to renew them again (because we were already renewed) so how can it possibly happen again, because salvation happens ONE time. It cannot happen a second time. Christ was crucified ONCE and it was sufficient.
This is confirming the security of the believer, not suggesting that salvation is undone in any way!
This is one of those scriptures that's not as it appears at first glance. It may seem as if it's suggesting that one loses their salvation, but it's not. If you take a really close look at it, it's actually confirming the security of a believer
.........Christ's ONE sacrifice is sufficient to cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness. We are born of the spirit ONE time, not multiple times.
This scripture is showing how impossible it is to be saved, then unsaved, then saved again.... because that ONE sacrifice was sufficient to cleanse us the first time!! So to suggest our salvation can be "undone" would be putting Christ to open shame, suggesting that His sacrifice was not sufficient!!! So in other words, "crucifying him afresh" each time by suggesting that He was not able to save us completely the first time, that He must be crucified a second and third time.
It's impossible to renew them again (because we were already renewed) so how can it possibly happen again, because salvation happens ONE time. It cannot happen a second time. Christ was crucified ONCE and it was sufficient.
This is confirming the security of the believer, not suggesting that salvation is undone in any way!
Do you see what I see?
This is one of those scriptures that's not as it appears at first glance. It may seem as if it's suggesting that one loses their salvation, but it's not. If you take a really close look at it, it's actually confirming the security of a believer.........
Christ's ONE sacrifice is sufficient to cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness. We are born of the spirit ONE time, not multiple times.
This scripture is showing how impossible it is to be saved, then unsaved, then saved again.... because that ONE sacrifice was sufficient to cleanse us the first time!! So to suggest our salvation can be "undone" would be putting Christ to open shame, suggesting that His sacrifice was not sufficient!!! So in other words, "crucifying him afresh" each time by suggesting that He was not able to save us completely the first time, that He must be crucified a second and third time.
It's impossible to renew them again (because we were already renewed) so how can it possibly happen again, because salvation happens ONE time. It cannot happen a second time. Christ was crucified ONCE and it was sufficient.
This is confirming the security of the believer, not suggesting that salvation is undone in any way!
This is one of those scriptures that's not as it appears at first glance. It may seem as if it's suggesting that one loses their salvation, but it's not. If you take a really close look at it, it's actually confirming the security of a believer
.........Christ's ONE sacrifice is sufficient to cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness. We are born of the spirit ONE time, not multiple times.
This scripture is showing how impossible it is to be saved, then unsaved, then saved again.... because that ONE sacrifice was sufficient to cleanse us the first time!! So to suggest our salvation can be "undone" would be putting Christ to open shame, suggesting that His sacrifice was not sufficient!!! So in other words, "crucifying him afresh" each time by suggesting that He was not able to save us completely the first time, that He must be crucified a second and third time.
It's impossible to renew them again (because we were already renewed) so how can it possibly happen again, because salvation happens ONE time. It cannot happen a second time. Christ was crucified ONCE and it was sufficient.
This is confirming the security of the believer, not suggesting that salvation is undone in any way!
Both of us were correct! So, as one may notice, the "tower of babel" syndrome is still in effect.What one person may describe as being unsaved and saved, and unsaved yet again, and then saved again? I might describe as one who's heart is being circumcised WITH Christ! Little bit, by little bit! Because in many ways? What that person describes, is how it really feels to them! Differences in terminology!
p4t - Before you start putting words like weird spin, you need to establish whether the perspective
you think I am using is the same as the one I am using. Without this we are talking at cross
purposes. Because much of scripture is interpretative one has to build the whole in the mind
of the other, because you start calling it something.
I would argue that taking someone elses righteousness as the reason why a sinful act is
forgiven when the person themselves does not agree, makes no sense. It is the equivalent
of saying sin does not matter or its effects, it can just be forgiven. If this was true then
judgement itself is undermined. Either one is consistent and the causes dealt with or it
is arbitary and not just.
The argument for washing something clean so it stays clean makes sense.
If you enable something to have the privilege of cleanliness but never achieving it, that
is just an illusion. If you listen to Christ his whole message is you will be like me, full of
love and following my will and commandments.
Now I am happy to say the way the commandments are expressed has changed, but
not their precepts. If is why the Law of moses does not apply but the Law of Christ and
we are slaves to righteousness. What we often fail to comprehend is daily life was bound
by religious ordinances, in dress, behaviour, cleansing, purity, sacrifices, sabbaths, where
little was not bounded by restrictions. How could one survive in the artic with sabbath
restrictions, you would freeze to death very quickly.
you think I am using is the same as the one I am using. Without this we are talking at cross
purposes. Because much of scripture is interpretative one has to build the whole in the mind
of the other, because you start calling it something.
I would argue that taking someone elses righteousness as the reason why a sinful act is
forgiven when the person themselves does not agree, makes no sense. It is the equivalent
of saying sin does not matter or its effects, it can just be forgiven. If this was true then
judgement itself is undermined. Either one is consistent and the causes dealt with or it
is arbitary and not just.
The argument for washing something clean so it stays clean makes sense.
If you enable something to have the privilege of cleanliness but never achieving it, that
is just an illusion. If you listen to Christ his whole message is you will be like me, full of
love and following my will and commandments.
Now I am happy to say the way the commandments are expressed has changed, but
not their precepts. If is why the Law of moses does not apply but the Law of Christ and
we are slaves to righteousness. What we often fail to comprehend is daily life was bound
by religious ordinances, in dress, behaviour, cleansing, purity, sacrifices, sabbaths, where
little was not bounded by restrictions. How could one survive in the artic with sabbath
restrictions, you would freeze to death very quickly.
The problem has never been about loosing salvation, but about believers claiming
that unless you know this idea, you are not saved.
There is always in life a real sense of risk, and the unknown could change things.
It is wise to be meek, to seek the ways of peace, and listen.
A lot know how to drive a car, yet over the years, one missed vehicle and an accident
happens. Grace and humbleness are a gift of God, so I do not presume, but walk in the
light I have been given.
When you end up with the animosity I see expressed, the condemnation without justification
I doubt the root of such ideas is from the Lord. There is no condemnation for those who walk
in the Spirit, yet you would not get that impression from many. God bless you, and let us
Lift up our Lord and Saviour, for great is His work for us. Amen
that unless you know this idea, you are not saved.
There is always in life a real sense of risk, and the unknown could change things.
It is wise to be meek, to seek the ways of peace, and listen.
A lot know how to drive a car, yet over the years, one missed vehicle and an accident
happens. Grace and humbleness are a gift of God, so I do not presume, but walk in the
light I have been given.
When you end up with the animosity I see expressed, the condemnation without justification
I doubt the root of such ideas is from the Lord. There is no condemnation for those who walk
in the Spirit, yet you would not get that impression from many. God bless you, and let us
Lift up our Lord and Saviour, for great is His work for us. Amen
