Holidays - Biblical versus non-biblical

[sparkman]

Well at least it is good for a laugh....On one post everyone else is faulty but in your other post your view is THE TRUTH.....yep this Blond is laughing....

Too bad you're incapable of comprehending what I said..I said I don't agree with ALL of the explanations of other individuals, not NONE of them.

A good example of this is when hypergrace people use arguments against observance of elements of the Old Covenant that lean toward the hypergrace view that I would not agree with.

 

[sparkman]

Well at least it is good for a laugh....On one post everyone else is faulty but in your other post your view is THE TRUTH.....yep this Blond is laughing....

I didn't say "everyone else". Where did you see those words?

I said "all the explanations of other individuals". There's nothing about claiming everyone else is faulty in their reasoning..maybe I should have phrased it "all the explanations of some other individuals".

The main reason I mentioned that is that I want to avoid being associated with hyper-grace people who disagree with required observance on fallacious grounds, which Sabbath/festival observers can easily refute. I wouldn't want to be associated with individuals who understand the Sabbath/festivals don't apply, but their reasoning is faulty.

Some of the hyper-grace people think I'm their ally because positions I hold are the same as their own, but I'm not hyper-grace whatsoever, and if their arguments are based on hyper-grace positions, I am not going to agree with them.

I am very careful with my explanations and reasoning on certain topics because bad reasoning can easily be dismissed by Sabbath/festival observers, and some of the logic I've seen employed by SOME others on that topic is poor...mostly because the individuals making the assertions are not ex-observers like myself. On the other hand, I have some friends who have never been observers, but are able to express sound arguments against required observance. So, being an ex-observer is not a requirement for expressing an intelligent opinion, however it helps.

 

[Magenta]

By the way I wouldn't agree with all the explanations of other individuals on this thread. I find a lot of them get things confused concerning the Sabbath, Festivals, and clean/unclean meat laws. Even if I agree with the conclusions, their explanations are faulty.

Just affirming that not agreeing with all means you agree with some, and
those conclusions are not being contested, only the steps to get there...

Lost Sheep, I am not sure if anyone has mentioned that our calendars are different: we are on a solar calendar and the Israelites use a lunar calendar, with a different start date for the beginning of the year. Easter is still calculated by the moon, though, since it is set as being the first Sunday following the first full moon following the vernal equinox. The first council of Nicea in 325 established Easter's independence from the Jewish calendar and worldwide conformity. Some years Easter and Passover do coincide. Personally I prefer to call it resurrection Sunday.

Nobody knows for sure when Jesus was born, though some believe it was in the late summer or early fall, possibly fulfilling one of the festival days (Sukkot, or Feast of Tabernacles). All of the festivals (except Purim) are proclaimed in the Bible to be God's feasts, part of His time table of what was/is to come through His plan of salvation for mankind. As already mentioned, Passover was fulfilled by the sacrifice of the Lamb of God at Passover. Jesus is the reality of previous types and shadows, being at the center of every feast. Not everyone believes that crucifixion took place on a Friday, and some believe that there were two Sabbaths that week, the actual Passover, and the regular weekly one. Salvation does not depend on getting any or all these dates correct, but they are certainly interesting to consider

As to the 613 mitzvot, they were given to the Israelis as a nation, not us. According to the Talmud, the Noachide laws are binding on all humanity. Jesus gave us the great commandment, which is the fulfilment of all the law and the prophets.

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

 

[slaniav]

Bible Answers series cover basic truths many are unaware of, including
meanings behind 'everyday' symbols, and pagan origins seen in certain observances
such as halloween, easter, etc. In exposing some of these errors, some have gone
as far as to include Jesus and the Bible as being pagan as well, and make other
unreasonable claims, simple enough to disprove, and in line with the agenda of
removing Christ from the minds of the people. Some sources are consistently
accurate in revealing truth.

[video=youtube;aczxGNAxRko]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aczxGNAxRko[/video]

 

[Adstar]

The thread about Lent got me curious but I didn't want to derail that one.

What are your thoughts regarding the observance of Biblical holidays (Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, Pentecost, Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Feast of Tabernacles) versus the traditional holidays that most of us observe but have no basis in Biblical teaching (Christmas, Easter, etc).

Regional holidays like Thanksgiving in the US or the 4th of July, I understand completely, but some of the holidays that seem like holdovers from Paganism being folded into the early Roman Catholic Church have me stumped, as does why don't Gentiles celebrate the Biblical holidays?

Thoughts?

I do not believe that it is necessary to keep any holy days.. But if a person thinks they must keep a day then they are free to keep it.. As for the pagan days that where adopted by the false church of Rome they are not holy days and do not have any Biblical support .. Also thanksgiving has never been a holy Day religious or pagan..

Romans 14: KJV
1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.