Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!

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Proponents of gay marriage want people to believe that homosexuality isn't a choice, because if it is a choice they can't compare it to inequality based on genetics like what happened with African Americans and other minorities. The fact is nobody is simply "born homosexual" from the standpoint of genetics. If it was genetic then every case of identical twins would end up with the same sexual preference because they're genetically the same, but that isn't the case. Marriage Equality and the Bible | Jew & Greek
Your argument is engineered upon assumptions. You assume genetics are the only biological factor scientists credit for homosexuality -- when in fact there are hormones, brain chemistry, prenatal developmental factors (one twin generally gets more nutrition than the other, twins can develop different brain structures, be exposed to different levels of prenatal hormones), adolescent nutrition and development, mental state -- then you assume that two twins who share the same DNA must turn out with the same sexual preferences, or else scientists have got it all wrong. I am a brother to monozygotic (identical) twins, and they are by no means the same. In fact, they're opposites in many ways.
 
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Improper salutation. I ain't one yet.

VW, can you clarify this,
There is no way for anyone to decisively say "I didn't have a choice" when he/she is unable to pick apart, without professional help, the multitude of factors that went into your choosing to adopt this lifestyle.
Just don't know what you are saying there.
No one can understand themselves fully. By the time we are three years old, 90% of our personality is pretty much set in stone, changed only with great difficulty, if it is at all possible. There must be a willingness to change. The self-declared LGBT, first off, doesn't really want to change. They will make statement that counter that concept: "Why would anyone want to be this way?" But not liking who we are is very different from wanting to change. We all develop "comfort zones," and we become drawn to others who are struggling with the same issues that we are, and begin to think we actually are "normal" because everyone we hang around with is "just like us."

We delude ourselves, we don't like pain, and change is painful. In fact, the only way change is accomplished is when we accept the fact that it will hurt less to change than it will to stay the same. Until that moment, it is easier to claim "I can't change!" or "I am this way because God made me this way!" than it is to accept that we aren't really unable to change, that God didn't make us "this way," and we need to depend on Him to help us.

Moving on to the next question.

If a patient says, "Dr. VW ...
Again, improper salutation, but moving on ...

... I'm a homosexual. I did not choose to be. Just always desired the same sex and never the opposite. I know I was born this way..."
Are you saying he is wrong, and that he was not born with the desire? Other than God, who would know better than the patient himself?
Refer back to my last answer to answer the last question.

Yes, I'm saying he's wrong, because he/she was not born that way, any more than an addict, a criminal, a kleptomaniac, etc. were "born that way." There are genetic factors, but not a "lesbian/gay/bisexual/transgender gene." There are socialization issues that arise in everyone's life. Parenting is a factor. Sexual abuse plays a role in a surprising number of the LGBT community. It is a combination of biology, sociology, psychology, spirituality, and experiences in life, some occurring when we are too young to remember them, that go into the "creation" of any behavioral or emotional anomaly.

Just seeking clarity.
Hope that provides it.

Concerning the no pizza gene...





There's also Gino's Pizza throughout California. Oh no, California! For sure it ain't a gene thing. Maybe jean, though.
I don't know about the ones in California, but the Geneo's in St. Joseph get a
rating, and that's on this scale:


 
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What?? Are you serious? Why are you here?
 
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jesus had every sin upon him..... he wasnt stoned by God, His father... God , His Father, raised him from the dead
Jesus took on all sins but blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, justifying him to forgive the majority of sins IF a sinner repents AND believes his gospel, which includes doing his commandments. Not one sin that he took upon himself can be forgiven while in rebellion against the word of God. Jesus didn't take even one sin upon himself to grant a license to keep sinning the same sin over and over. Only a fool could really believe otherwise.
 
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hmmm...must be tough when your XXY. And yes undetermined gender occurs because of this. They have emotional and physical characteristics of both genders. Life is tough for these poor people. There are special cases that biblical philosophy doesn't neatly fit.
Mutations are destined to die out, unless the mutants choose to marry mutants, making their mutations even deadlier. It's a choice.
 
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Just another sin that men do............................
There are many sins defined in the Bible, few though demanding execution.

In Christ men are no longer under the law of sin and death, but in Christ none are allowed to do the sins that men were stoned to death for. If men keep doing those sins they prove they are not in Christ, but the Devil is still their father, regardless of what their minds believe. The Devils believe Jesus as to his true identity, and they tremble. They have seen the Son of God as he is in eternity, and remember Jesus in his man suit. It's foolish to believe it's OK for a man to believe what they know yet continue in deliberate sin, while expecting God to bless. If God were to take such sinners into eternal blessing, he would of justice be required to welcome Satan and the demons who know more about God, Jesus, Heaven, and earth than any man, so much they can pervert truth such that men believe lies and perish.
 
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If God says that something is sin, who are we to justify it. Nomatter how surgical or scientific we may be about homosexuality, it will not change the word of God on this matter. Homosexuality is a sin. He is the alpha and omega so never expect that at some point the conditions shall relax regarding this matter.Soddom and Gomorrah were destroyed in a manner which was yet to be seen again. Sexuality on its own is not a right. When we start thinking of the rights to be who we are before God, we lose grace. Only grace through Christ justifies us. Some feelings are not meant to be expressed because they may be diseases or spirits that just need Christ. We have all felt sick at some point, vomited or done something like that. Its something we wanted to be removed from us even if we had no choice. If being gay is no choice, i can surely tell you that feeling sick is no choice either but we always look for a cure or we surely die suffering....


[h=1]Proverbs 21:16King James Version (KJV)[/h]16 The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.


[h=1]Jude 5-8English Standard Version (ESV)[/h]5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved[a] a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,[b] serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
 

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To me its wrong to hide your feelings and be ashamed because of religion. Put yourself before god. Would you rather accept yourself or be miserable pretending to be straight. And tbh who would choose to hated and discriminated?
I know this person is long gone and will never see this, but I REALLY hate this argument, "why would we do something that leads to discrimination?"
For anyone who holds this argument as defense for homosexuality, try becoming a Christian, and going to an Islamic nation to spread the gospel, and you will see discrimination.
And no, being a Christian is 100% a choice. People choose to be hated against for following Christ because they put their heart into it. You put yourself through the discrimination because you set your heart on it. Being hated for it is in no way proof that you cant help it at all.


And the scientific proof for homosexuality is flawed, its all based on statisics, like "twins often turn out gay", and the fact that more gay men have one certain gene than others, but that is just as much an argument against homosexuality, because the fact that more men who are gay have this gene also means there are gay men who dont have the gene, as well as men who call themselves straight also having the gene while having no interest in being gay at all. That all leads to the totally valid argument that maybe the gene is just random chance and has nothing to do with how you have sex at all?

There is no REAL proof of the gay gene, even the two men who claimed to have found it in the 90s have admitted this.
(Also, it is fair to point out, both of them were gay. That means that they were more likely not seeking wisdom and understanding, but twisting science to push their world view on us. Why do people not question this?)
 
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The question is,"is there a sin gene?".

Is sin something that comes from our Genes? NO!

We sin because we desire and do not have. The sin of lying is just as great as the sin of Homosexuality. There is no difference in our sins.

But, we can overcome our desire to sin by walking in the Spirit with God! If you are totally walking with God you will have no desire to sin. Its when we take our eyes off of God that sin comes in and tempts us to sin.

One is not born to be Gay any more than one is born to lie.
 
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It seems that you're missing the big picture here. Born that way or by choice it's still a SIN and the bible says you will go to hell for that sin. So, it makes no difference weather or not you're born. The choice is weather or not you want to go to heaven.
 
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Lying is also a sin and you will go to Hell for lying.

Being a Homosexual or being a liar makes no difference to God. Both will end up in Hell.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

God can and WILL forgive the sin of Homosexuality to all who accept Him as their Lord and Savior!
 
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Lying is also a sin and you will go to Hell for lying.

Being a Homosexual or being a liar makes no difference to God. Both will end up in Hell.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

God can and WILL forgive the sin of Homosexuality to all who accept Him as their Lord and Savior!
Besides attempting to trump God as Judge,
what other sins do you struggle with, KenAllan?
 
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I've been ministering when not traveling to work over 30 years with men's addiction ministries like Teen Challenge, AA, and many smaller ones, plus rehab of non-violent felons. I've gained a big observation of homosexuals and the devastation that usually comes out of it. Disease is a major problem, but damaged mental health is bigger. It desensitizes them to most things normal, which goes hand in hand with drug and alcohol abuse.

We've been dealing with more homosexual marriages going through divorce, very messy since there are no specialists nearby to help. The most common and very interesting observation is both partners tend to regret locking in on one, being faithful to just one man. Once the "new" wears out often both men go right back to random multiple encounters. Most were promiscuous before "marriage". I will not accept their unions as marriages.

The whole of it is perversion gone to seed. Those men readily admit it, but few can stop because they are completely entangled in the sin, serving sin in many other ways.
 
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Though I disagree with you. Let's take what your stating. No one can choose to just be attracted to a certain gender. If GOD states this is wrong then the person should choose to obey GOD and seek GOD for Deliverance instead of staying in sin. We all must make a choice to serve GOD and HIM alone regardless of what sin nature one struggles with.


Many homosexuals fight for their rights, to live a life of sin, marry, be accepted. When a person states that it is not just their opinion but GOD's commandment on how we all must live the fight now is not about flesh but spirit. It is not GOD's plan for anyone to live in sin this was the purpose of JESUS First Coming.


One can point fingers, make all sorts of claims but the choice is theirs and the choice one makes is for their own soul. The Bible is very clear so one either will accept what GOD says or accept their punishment from GOD. For no one but GOD has a Heaven or Hell. So again we all must make a choice sin is sin and anything or one that goes against it will answer to only GOD.


Blessings!!!!!!!
 
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No one can choose to just be attracted to a certain gender.
Really? I disagree. What makes you say this?

I choose to be straight everyday.
 
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Though I disagree with you. Let's take what your stating. No one can choose to just be attracted to a certain gender. If GOD states this is wrong then the person should choose to obey GOD and seek GOD for Deliverance instead of staying in sin. We all must make a choice to serve GOD and HIM alone regardless of what sin nature one struggles with.


Many homosexuals fight for their rights, to live a life of sin, marry, be accepted. When a person states that it is not just their opinion but GOD's commandment on how we all must live the fight now is not about flesh but spirit. It is not GOD's plan for anyone to live in sin this was the purpose of JESUS First Coming.


One can point fingers, make all sorts of claims but the choice is theirs and the choice one makes is for their own soul. The Bible is very clear so one either will accept what GOD says or accept their punishment from GOD. For no one but GOD has a Heaven or Hell. So again we all must make a choice sin is sin and anything or one that goes against it will answer to only GOD.


Blessings!!!!!!!
Of course all choose, are allowed choice by God and man. But there is no authority approved by God that demands acceptance of immorality. A burglar is arrested, posts bond, many associated with that knowing he will be breaking in somewhere again tonight. Though he is free to choose to steal or not steal, once again, if he is once again caught carrying out his choice to steal, he will answer to God AND society, not freed again for years ahead. In that case it won't matter a bit what his choices were. The choices fall to society regardless of his reasons for his choices.

No society could survive leaving all accountability for sin, chiefly in the form of crimes, to God alone. The sinner is indebted to his victims, those he even hasn't directly affected, but doing something like providing teenagers liquor for a party, which is illegal for a good reason. It's manifested in society against someone just speaking improperly to a child in an attempt to seduce, subject to conviction even though never physically touching. One's sins affect other people in some manner.

Now that homosexual "marriage" is judged legal in America, their activists for that are already multiplying their persistent efforts to promote homosexuality in our schools, it being now illegal to refuse to discriminate against hiring homosexual teachers who have legal ways to pass on those promotions. So now it's legal in schools to do what is illegal in private, in the name of education, "cultural awareness" and "respect/PC" in particular. Examples are graphic novels and videos in classrooms that 10 years ago would have been judged pornography, with men and women sitting in prison for doing less than what some teachers and many authors of children's' resources are doing.

There is no good reason for any Christian to accept the decline in morality we are witnessing today. There is no biblical mandate to stand by accepting choices of sinners, especially when their sins spread to our children. To defy the wicked is to generally increase persecution, but that's part of being a Christian. The wicked agree with the wicked, and will perish together.

I'll answer your statements more directly.
Though I disagree with you. Let's take what your stating. No one can choose to just be attracted to a certain gender.
Sinners like to declare that, but even most sinners disagree, those 98% who remain heterosexually aligned. The original sin was authored by Satan, the Devil, who tempted Eve to go against the one commandment. So people can likewise be tempted to choose the wrong gender. God makes same sex anything wrong, is on record demanding their blood/life. He hasn't changed about that. You have to dig way deep to find an infant showing signs of a homosexuality tendency, which apparently is exceedingly rare. Yet, we reserve much lattitude for those few, enough to excuse sinners who can't point to a genetic disorder.

If GOD states this is wrong then the person should choose to obey GOD and seek GOD for Deliverance instead of staying in sin. We all must make a choice to serve GOD and HIM alone regardless of what sin nature one struggles with.

God told Moses and Joshua to advise the people to choose God and life, not sin and death. Jesus did the same. I do the same.

Many homosexuals fight for their rights, to live a life of sin, marry, be accepted.

What rights apart from heterosexuals? Do they have special rights to impose their choice upon their neighbors? No. The USSC didn't fall that low. Are they now allowed to publicly expose themselves to children in the park. I haven't read about heterosexual couples doing that, but we've had several cases lately of homosexual acts and nudity "expressions" in the open.

When a person states that it is not just their opinion but GOD's commandment on how we all must live the fight now is not about flesh but spirit. It is not GOD's plan for anyone to live in sin this was the purpose of JESUS First Coming.

God is on record saying those who do such things have the Devil for their father. I already know who most if not all our local criminals will do whatever next, watching for them to duck into a ministry to hide. The great majority of us citizens will not tolerate bad behavior, especially those condemned by God, in addition to what us citizens decide is bad enough to punish bad people. We read the newspapers, see the marriage license report, keep those in mind as to who will be interviewed for a job. We are warned by the word about wicked people and the likelihood they can't be a blessing to a Christian-owned business. We read the police reports, gain valuable insight. It's vital to not let the perverters of truth come too close. So we switch from supporting BSA to Trail Life USA. We will raise our children pleasing to God regardless of how the wicked and ignorant choose.

There should not be a mixing of wickedness and righteousness except to preach the gospel to the wicked. If they reject it then we shake the dust off our shoes and move on without them. I let all of the wicked come pretty close often, but soon know what else to do.

You ought guard your own soul more than so far revealed.
 
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Just because you chose to be "Straight" means nothing.

How many times a day do you lie? How many times a day do you Lusts? How many times a day do you Hate?

You do have sins in your life that are beyond your control. Everybody has sins in their life that they just cannot stop doing.

You are no different PeacefulWarrior.

Before you point out the sins of the Gay people you need to stop your sinning first. This is what the Pharisees did in the old days. They actually pointed out how great they were for not sinning like the other people.
 
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Who died and made you "GOD" PeacefulWarrior?

Sounds to me you have put yourself above everybody, even God.

So what "Sins" are you guilty of PeacefulWarrior, or do you consider yourself sinless?
 

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Just because you chose to be "Straight" means nothing.

How many times a day do you lie? How many times a day do you Lusts? How many times a day do you Hate?

You do have sins in your life that are beyond your control. Everybody has sins in their life that they just cannot stop doing.

You are no different PeacefulWarrior.

Before you point out the sins of the Gay people you need to stop your sinning first. This is what the Pharisees did in the old days. They actually pointed out how great they were for not sinning like the other people.

The bible tells us that those who continue to sin have no sacrifice for them, and that the sexually immoral cannot enter the kingdom of God. Peaceful Warrior is doing exactly what Christ would want, warning people to turn from their sins and repent in Christ name.


And as someone who deals with same sex attraction, I can tell you it is controllable, and you can choose to downright ignore it, as long as you decided to take sexual fulfillment of your list of "must haves" in this life :p

It is far from impossible, just like it is for people who arent married to restrain from sex too, and those who are tempted wit adultery when married, ect ect :p
 
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